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digitalfreaknyc said:

adywan said:

i'm afraid you are totally incorrect there. Slowing it down does not create any extra artefacts at all. the encode is done at the 25fps speed and then the frame rate is changed only. No other encoding process is happening at all. so its impossibly for any extra artefacts to be there. And Europe does have 1080p braodcasts because the BBCHD channel broadcasts 1080p and not 1080i which is the more common.

 

 

 Please explain how you can take something that's captured at 25fps, slow it down and stretch it to 24fps and NOT include any artifacts?  Unless you're not doing the stretch, that would be impossible. 

 ok, we're all going to learn something here (and no i don't know much about film, except

that is 24fps)... and yes i knew about the PAL speedup too... but i just figure Adywan

accounted for it, i just didn't know how... so maybe we'll all find out ... i thought the

video editting software would fix that kind of stuff...

[shows how little i know]..

later

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iRantanplan said:

Ah yes, my player upscales too. I have the Toshiba HD-EP10 which is actually a HD-DVD player and a very good one. The upscaling itself is also very good. But there is a difference between upscaling and zooming the picture. Upscaling simply means to convert the picture from 720*480 (or 852*480 for anamorphic DVDs) to 1080p/720p/whatever but not zooming into the picture. The player handles the letterboxed videos as it they were 4*3 DVD. The oppo will do the same.

I'm currently building a HTPC which eventually will be able to zoom even with HDMI connection. But this will require some assistance by software that violates the DMCA and will not be discussed here I guess. Honestly not my desired scenario. Well at least I can use VOBSub again I guess.

i agree, that the HTPC is the way to go, i currently have PC hooked up my widescreen,

but it can only do 720p/1080i resolutions...and not 1080p, like i can see on my smaller

monitor..... but the convenience is well worth it for zooming/scaling, etc..

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 Actually, this is inaccurate.  There is no such thing as a 1080p broadcast.

Not in America.  That's why Adywan uses the German HDTV broadcast.

So he slowed it down to be 24fps?  That would introduce a host of other artifacts. 

 

man, you guys sure quote a lot, why don't we go over to original thread

here , and discuss it:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/THE-STAR-WARS-SAGA-1080P-AVCHD-for-PS3-Blu-Ray-players-to-fit-on-a-DVD-9/topic/9536/

from the first post :

Disc 4:- A NEW HOPE - (basic colour correction)

Details:- 1080p True 24fps

AC3 5.1 English Dolby Digital Audio
Ac3 2.0 Directors commentary (selectable with the audio button on your remote)
aC3 2.0 Alternate commentary (selectable with the audio button on your remote)
Chapters
No menus
Greedo doesn't shoot

and yes, there are more soundtrack options added..

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there are 2 samples posted, download them, and see for yourself how

awesome they are !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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lordjedi said:

 Dude, you seriously need to take another look at Usenet.  Those same things can all be done in a matter of hours, at the most, from Usenet.  A Blu-ray rip can especially be had in about 4 hours at 20 M down.  No need to wait 4-6 days.  If I had to wait that long for an HD copy of anything, I'd just order it online.  I think it would get to me faster that way.

well, my ISP sucks at newsgroup access, and i hardly ever use newsgroups, torrents

work fine for me, and since it's basically 'free', what difference does it make if i get it today,

tomorrow, or in a week? i'm not THAT impatient...

Lucasfilm lost the second any version of star wars SE/and the prequels showed up

on HD, i don't know what came first, the german versions, wookiegroomer, etc...

but as soon as those were free..... the game was over ..... maybe that's why people

don't think that the war is already over, before it has even started?

They've only lost to people like us.  Talk to Joe Schmoe on the street.  They have no idea how to download anything outside of using some lame p2p program like Kazaa.  And then they'll complain about how every time they download a copy, it's not what it said it was (big surprise) and now their machine is infected with viruses and trojans.

everyone i know is technically capable of doing it ... also if average people are getting busted

constantly for sharing/downloading music, why would it be hard? someone mentioned that

movie studios don't crack down on stuff as much, only on the cammers, and distributors,

and physical pirates.....

Besides all that, most of us actually own the DVDs of any fan edits we download.  It's so nice that you don't actually buy any of your DVDs.  Way to go there Mr. Pirate.

well, i have bought enough laserdiscs, and dvd's to last me a lifetime, and i don't really

feel like spending more money unless its a HD version....i stated that earlier. unless a

movie is in HD, i don't see the point of wasting money on a DVD...

The SE?  Probably very few people here.  The OOT?  I'll be the first one in line.  I would rather have a completely remastered OOT in HD direct from LFL than a fan edit.  That's one of the points of this site.  Not only are we suppose to own the original of any movies we get, but we're also suppose to get rid of any fan edits we have once an official version comes out.  Or do you think everyone still has their fan edit copies of the various versions of Blade Runner now that an excellent boxed set has been released?

i LOVE all the fanedits from here, and from fanedit.org ..... i think they're great from a fans

viewpoint, on seeing different versions of a movie, or seeing a cool preservation from a

dead format (laserdisc, ced, 16mm, etc) .... why would i get rid of a fanedit that someone

made, just because the official dvd came out? they're different to me......

And at some point, it's comments like these that are going to get this site shut down.  Seriously dude.  You're sitting here telling people that LFL shouldn't bother releasing any HD versions of Star Wars because we've got all we need.  You're telling LFL not to waste their time because we won't buy it anyway.  You're telling LFL that we have no need for them any longer.

please dont be so dramatic, do you think i'm the first person to ever say these words?

let me go back through the threads to see what everyone thought about the HD versions

when they first came out? oh, theres not a whole lot there is there..... its a drop in the

bucket ... and by the way, i'm not telling LFL anything ....

all i've seen is speculation about a bluray version of star wars, is there actually

any hard evidence, or release dates for it? so if it isn't being worked on, then does

it really exist? not to me..

The preservations have been allowed to exist to this point because most everyone has bought at least one version of Star Wars somewhere along the line.  People with the LDs have the LD preservations.  People bought the 04 sets and are now getting color corrected copies from someone else.  Some of those things might be a legal gray area, but they seem to be acceptable to LFL.

i wish all the people here were as altruistic as you seem to be,

do you REALLY THINK FOR ONE MINUTE, people that have downloaded laserdisc transfers,

bootlegs, edits, etc, really OWNED THOSE EXACT VERSIONS, i'd be hard pressed to prove that..

the cat is already out of the bag, and has been for quite some time now....

 

[i'm deliberately not talking about the 35mm transfer project for other reasons

obviously]..

Oh yeah, you're being so secretive about that transfer.

please wait for another week or two before my comment will make sense...

you'll see..

later

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note, will be returning to this thread shortly..

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Spudz777 said:

Sorry for dredging up a thread that's lain dormant for 4 months (and on my first post, too...), but it seemed the most appropriate place for my question/request. I've poked around with the usenet access offered by my ISP, and can't seem to reach alt.binaries.starwars from them. I have a set of Dr. Gonzo's trilogy which I loved, but my 2-year old got his hands on them, and now all four discs have fatal flaws, so I'm looking to recover them, preferably in ISO format.

 

As stated earlier, I can't seem to reach alt.binaries.starwars, but I can reach alt.fan.starwars. So I'm hoping someone with the Dr. Gonzo set is willing to either a) upload them to alt.fan.starwars (if that's allowed by usenet ettiquette) and possibly coach me on some of the finer points of usenet, b) seed a torrent with ISO files (I understand posting torrent file links is taboo here, but can you PM a link? email?), c) upload ISO files to a file server like filedropper.com that allows larger files (up to 5 GB), or d) burn a copy and mail it, with appropiate compensation for media, time, and postage.

ok, i know i'm probably not the person to be talking about newsgroups...

but anyways, a few things:

----------------------------------

i'm not sure, but a lot of ISP'S in America are cutting off access to ALL of the alt.binaries.*

hierachy (stupid law) .... to protect themselves, which might be why you can access the

alt.fan.starwars

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you need to go to a dedicated newsgroup provider like giganews, etc. and then

you will have full speed, and full access

------------------------------

although what you're looking for might not be there, trust me, there's tons

of other good stuff there..

good luck,

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since adwyans not going back to fix ANH:R, (and of course i'm not even

going to suggest who could).....

but isn't someone here going to even try to do ANH:R v2 ?

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i find it interesting to see all the people going back over

a completed project, and still coming up with all these

new ideas ...

does anyone else think it would be a lot less work to go back,

and put in a few more fixes?

like i said, i don't have the expertise in doing it..

but i'm sure there are plenty of other faneditors here that could

probably tackle it..

just a thought..

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Jaiman Tuckuh said:

Ya know... the movie studios seem to be a lot less vindictive and vengeful than the music studios. Perhaps movie studios don't feel as threatened, because movies take a lot more time to download. HD, in particular, and there's the storage & playback issues. Perhaps also, because you can rent movies, and tv broadcasters play everything, while radio typically only plays certain cuts of music... Also, people buy as much music as they can afford. But they buy as many dvds as they have space for...

 

well, with broadband access getting more common, FIOS, etc... it doesn't take that long

to get a popular movie for me (a few hours by bittorrent, and less than hour with rapidshare

links)....for the FULL DVD ... maybe longer for dual layer .....

HD rips take maybe a day or 2 [ok, i have 20M down] for the 9 gig WMV/MKV .... and for

the HD DVD/BLU RAY rips maybe 4-6 days, if its seeded well .... so i don't think that for me,

time is not a deterrant...

storage space is not a issue either, i can get a 500 Gig drive for less than US$100 now,

and its getting cheaper, i'm sure a Terabyte drive will cost that much by the end of the

year (hopefully sooner), that means i can fit  20 full hd dvd/bluray rips on 500 gigs,

and double that on 1 terabyte... of course DVD's are dirt cheap too, going for about

50 per $20 on sale etc...so that's not a problem either......

i dont' buy many dvd's obviously, when you can get them for free, but i've stopped

when there is an HD version, i always get that now.......... and HD DVD's are dead,

but dirt cheap also,  so i only buy those...if i need a bluray version, i just download that

instead of buying yet another player, and format........ i'm sure more people will

do it also in the future...

 

One-upmanship is a game of increments.

Lucasfilm lost the second any version of star wars SE/and the prequels showed up

on HD, i don't know what came first, the german versions, wookiegroomer, etc...

but as soon as those were free..... the game was over ..... maybe that's why people

don't think that the war is already over, before it has even started?

who's going to buy Star Wars SE on blu-ray, when there are at least 5 or 6 versions

already out there, available completely for for free, i think i have them all, 720p

versions, 1080p versions, mkv format, wmv format, .TS format etc, etc.

there is no point in releasing Star Wars SE on bluray

Lucas defeated the community's laserdisc rips's video with the crappiest source in his vaults. And one can easily imagine that he howled with laughter, as he pulled it out of the vault. Then, perhaps to to rub it in, he gave it an even-worse-mastering than his other OT DVDs (not that his PT dvds were mastered all that well).

  

So, anyway, supposing, there's an SD version, swimming around freely... and they know that, somewhere, out there, lurks an HD version (that would be easy for them to one-up, of course). Will it surface? When? Should they transfer a 16mm? A 35mm print? An interneg? A sep neg? A techicolor? Should they pay for the transfer now? Heheh, let 'em sweat... :-}

once again, why should they bother ? we've got yet another HD version of star wars

ready to be released shortly with color correction and fixes .............. and i'm sure its

just a matter of time, before more people work on de-SE ing these HD versions, just

like the plethora of fanedits that exist already for the OT now, there will be just as

many edits of the HD versions, and we will never need to go back to Lucasfilm ..

the cat is already out of the bag, and has been for quite some time now....

[i'm deliberately not talking about the 35mm transfer project for other reasons

obviously]..

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iRantanplan said:

Back to topic. Yes I'm aware that I'm able to basicly improve the DVDs with the help of the community. Actually I could do that only using google. But the point is I shouldn't have to do so, should I? For example I don't have a PC atm, my old one broke down. So for the moment I'm stuck with actual standalones and it's pretty annoying to switch cables and connections for every occasion. And the actual zoom function in my TV isn't really that great (I don't think there is any out there with a good scaler, really) and you can do much better with software scalers. All we're doing could at least have been done by Lucasarts themselves without too much efford. That's what makes me angry the most.

 ok, i'm going slightly offtopic here, i was going to buy a new laptop, and new dvd

player -> oppo 983, that has SACD, DVD-A, and upscaling built in

http://www.oppodigital.com/dv983h/

it is supposed to have some of the best up-scaling chips/circuitry available in it, and

try it out on the star wars DVD's .....  

from their site:

The DV-983H provides a rich array of features for serious home theater enthusiasts. By applying source-adaptive, motion-adaptive, and edge-adaptive techniques, the DV-983H produces an outstanding image for any DVD, whether it's mastered from an original theatrical release film or from a TV series. Aspect ratio conversion and multi-level zooming enable users to take full control of the viewing experience – maintain the original aspect ratio, stretch to full screen, or crop the unsightly black borders. Special stretch modes make it possible to utilize the full resolution of ultra high-end projectors with anamorphic lens. For users with an international taste, the frame rate conversion feature converts PAL movies for NTSC output without any loss of resolution or tearing. Custom home theater installers will find the DV-983H easy to integrate into whole-house control systems, thanks to its RS-232 and IR IN/OUT control ports.
 

[of course *AHEM* i've had to put off any new purchases, due to job issues, and

buying the star wars print, which is not a problem, since the hardware will probably

get cheaper when i can buy it...]

anyways, has anyone tried this player, it's gotten amazing reviews, and its not

that expensive..... i don't want to keep buying more dvd players, but since this

also plays SACD and DVD-A, its still worth it, the upscaling is just extra for me...

but what does anyone think about that? does anyone know of great upscalers,

or hardware, or players that actually have DONE a good job with DVD's?

yes, i know all about the avs forums, etc, but they're way too technical for me..

i meant someone here, that has real world experience with them..

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seventiesfilmnut said:

You are fudging the issues here mate - this has NOTHING to do with not being grateful for the many releases here. I don't think anyone on this board has been ungrateful for any release.

since you are being civil, i will reply,

then why the complaints from some people about the quality of Lucasfilm releases

being low? why the constaint complaints about re-issues, and about a project that

was released 2, and 4 years ago?

The quality of the HD SE are indeed incredible, BUT I want to see the films I grew up with WITHOUT any digital tinkering, bad musical edits, and incredibly bad re-colour timings... I have some decent play back equipment, but even with upsampling the GOUT looks pretty bad on my projector on a 100" screen. I paid the same price for the DVD I would for any other modern release, and yet get sub-modern playback quality, labelled as THX. It's a joke!

yes, you're looking at it now, i mentioned about when it was actually released, how many

people had widescreen tv's that supported HD back then? i didn't.. did you? if so, you were

in a very tiny minority...

Not sure I like your rather snide comments about moaning and yet not contributing. I've contributed my fair share of (hopefully) helpful comments on this board over the years, plus my RIPs of the 1989 LD soundtrack to Star Wars and Empire are out there, in addition to some other LP rips.

i wasn't speaking about YOU in particular, i was talking about people that only complain,

don't you think i spent a lot of time thanking everyone for there hard work and contributions?

You also seem to have a bit of a 'laying down the law' attitude in your posts: As a consumer, I have every right to complain about a release if it is sub-standard, and the GOUT is most definately that. That's partly the reason this website exists no? Until Lucasarse releases a decent version of the original trilogy I think every film fan has EVERY right to complain about it.

yes, of course you have every right to complain, and you don't have to buy it either..

if you do buy it, thats your choice .......but again, why doesn't anyone TRY to use

the tools out there to fix it, run the GOUT stabilization scripts, use the HD rescaling

and upscaling tools, everything we need is either available as freeware, there are

tons of resources, and technical help available to do it ...  is constant complaining

by a small minority going to change anything SOON, no.... so instead of waiting around,

that's why i'm trying everything i can, to improve what i have..

Also remember not every fan has your money to purchase original film reels, let alone the cash to get it all transferred. This is not something WE should have to do - that should have been done by Lucasfilm.

We'll just have to agree to disagree I think - life's too short etc etc.

Out of here.

- 7FN

i'm not a rich person by any stretch of the imagination ...

think about all the money you've spent on other hobbies, or on star wars

merchandise, or movies, or anything else.... don't you think in the 4 years

that have passed since the DVD's that came out, WE as a community have

invested a ton of money on video equipment, computers, media, etc that

could have been pooled to purchase a print by now? don't you feel someone

could have obtained a print even before the DVD's came out? i know there

was mention a few times of people with prints, but something always happened,

and they disappeared? is that true.....     don't you think that's going to happen

to me also? ......

i've never spent a lot of money on anything in the past, and the cost of these

prints is less than most brand new computers, and you must have bought a

computer at some point in time?

also, the same applies for the money for the transfer, don't you think that

by now, with all the people here, that we could have found or figured out

a way to get the transfer done for free, or for a reduced cost? well, that's

exactly what is happening, all the dealers i've talked to are using their

contacts to see if they can work out deals.... i've talked about a disconnect

between sellers/dealers, and the fans that are on this board, we need

to leverage that to our advantage.... its NOT ABOUT MONEY, i've gone

to several places, with the MONEY READY TO DO IT, and they would

not touch it, so its not just about money, you have to work your contacts,

talk to people, get involved ... i'm constantly asking for help here, and guess

what, i don't expect everyone to contribute, but every little bit of encouragement

helps , and you never know where the big break will come from...

once again, DONT TAKE THINGS SO PERSONALLY, we wouldn't be having this

discussion if someone had taken the steps that were being advocated right

here on this board ...............   if a casual person can come to this board, and

within 2 months obtain 1) rare 16mm star wars trailer 2) complete ESB 35mm print

3) star wars reel 6 35mm 4) possible complete print of star wars 35mm print ,

was does that tell anyone from the outside?( that looks at the efforts of the people here..)

we need to band together, and support each other about what the goals of this

board are ...

not to continue to constantly gripe / complain and be bitter about

1) the past SE dvds

2) the GOUT dvd

3) the lack of a good transfer

4) George Lucas, Lucasfilm, Lucasarts and any activities from them.

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Go ahead, and waste your time (NOT YOU PERSONALLY, the other people) looking

back at the past...

I'd rather spend it working on the future, and hopefully contributing something

significant back to the Star Wars community that gave me so much..

i might be 'negative1' by name, but i'm completely positive about this board,

this project, and what we will accomplish regardless of the outcome..

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Erikstormtrooper said:

Speaking of paranoia, I don't think taking extreme precuations is unwarranted in any way. When it comes to the OOT, any version other than the GOUT will not be tolerated. The SEs, in whatever form (HD, corrected DVDs, fanedits), seem to be allowed.

Three projects that were aimed at preserving the OOT have gone strangely silent:

• XO
• Lancer (by Tellan)
• Star Wars Legacy (by mverta)

Make of this what you will. For my part, I am extremely suspicious. (And honestly, I am still astounded that Adywan was "allowed" to finish his awesome edit of ANH.)

 i'm going into speculation mode here, but it is possible (however unlikely),

that one or more of those projects might have been completed,  but there

were legal issues?

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iRantanplan said:

negative1 said:

iRantanplan said:

negative1 said:

iRantanplan said:

Bobocop said:

The 2004 DVD's are a disappointment to say the least, and the 2006 GOUT discs, while they look 'alright' on a standard 4:3 TV, are an insult not only to the fans but also to the achievements of Lucas himself and ILM.

You know the worst part of it? I have my DVD player connected via HDMI to my HDTV and guess what, the damn DRM crap prohibits me to zoom. I need to use a second YUV connection for all letterboxed DVDs to zoom them to their full supposed glory.

 

that has nothing to do with the DVD's, so don't try to blame Lucasfilm for that,

thats a hardware limitation that affects all films..  it has NOTHING TO DO WITH DRM..

later

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Actually it has something to do with Lucasarts, they could have released the DVD anamorphic. Doesn't matter if it's only an upscale. And it's DRM indeed which prohibits the zoom as this is the fault of HDCP copy protection which is part of HDMI (and optional on DVI).

i think you missed my point,

the DRM is on your hardware, its not on the DVD,

so it would affect ANY DVD you played, anamorphic or not....

later

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Lucasarts is one of the (many many many many many) labels that insisted on HDCP in HDMI connections so of course it's their fault.

 so why blame one company and not all of them?

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iRantanplan said:

negative1 said:

iRantanplan said:

Bobocop said:

The 2004 DVD's are a disappointment to say the least, and the 2006 GOUT discs, while they look 'alright' on a standard 4:3 TV, are an insult not only to the fans but also to the achievements of Lucas himself and ILM.

You know the worst part of it? I have my DVD player connected via HDMI to my HDTV and guess what, the damn DRM crap prohibits me to zoom. I need to use a second YUV connection for all letterboxed DVDs to zoom them to their full supposed glory.

 

that has nothing to do with the DVD's, so don't try to blame Lucasfilm for that,

thats a hardware limitation that affects all films..  it has NOTHING TO DO WITH DRM..

later

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Actually it has something to do with Lucasarts, they could have released the DVD anamorphic. Doesn't matter if it's only an upscale. And it's DRM indeed which prohibits the zoom as this is the fault of HDCP copy protection which is part of HDMI (and optional on DVI).

i think you missed my point,

the DRM is on your hardware, its not on the DVD,

so it would affect ANY DVD you played, anamorphic or not....

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iRantanplan said:

Bobocop said:

The 2004 DVD's are a disappointment to say the least, and the 2006 GOUT discs, while they look 'alright' on a standard 4:3 TV, are an insult not only to the fans but also to the achievements of Lucas himself and ILM.

You know the worst part of it? I have my DVD player connected via HDMI to my HDTV and guess what, the damn DRM crap prohibits me to zoom. I need to use a second YUV connection for all letterboxed DVDs to zoom them to their full supposed glory.

that has nothing to do with the DVD's, so don't try to blame Lucasfilm for that,

thats a hardware limitation that affects all films..  it has NOTHING TO DO WITH DRM..

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Janskeet said:

Adywan, do your new HD ersions have better picture quality than you revisits? Obviously they do or you wouldn't have them separate. But to this day the best source of SW is the '04 DVDs right, all thius HD stuff isn't SW in True HD. It's artificial HD, because there is n way to truely get better picture quality from DVDs right?

 dude, what's up with all the questions?

have you actually watched any of the HD versions? of course their quality is better,

have you seen my comparisons shots of the HD versions in ESB to the DVD, or in the SW

thread? these were professionally transferred, and broadcast.

you can check for yourself by downloading the samples and playing them, and

you will see the huge difference. The HD version has 5-6 times the resolution of

the SD version.

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seventiesfilmnut said:

Negative1 - sorry to post this but I have to say I find your attitude to those that feel we deserve a high quality release of the original trilogy a tad perplexing!

YOU may be perfectly happy with the SE DVDs or the GOUT releases, but I am not, nor are those that care about quality resentations of a rather significant slice of film history!

 

alright, let's try this again, because we seem to run into this conundrum every single

time it is brought up:

--------------------------

1)  for the last time, i feel that there is no slippage in the quality of releases from Lucasfilm,

why? because i am comparing what we have now to what was released on laserdisc,

and to me there is no difference

2) in fact, with the SE versions, on laserdisc, and DVD the quality is very high already...

with the new DVD's having the highest quality..

-----------------------

i don't know why people think the quality of Lucasfilm is slipping when, they put

out amazing boxsets on laserdisc with THX, remastered, and on CAV, on an SD

tv they are excellent......................... but what do we constantly hear, about how

bad Lucasfilm is, how their products are shoddy etc..

when in fact there is only 1 issue, with 1 boxset, and that's about the GOUT..

ok, next..

I don't understand why you make these comments on ORIGINALtrilogy.com, AND are currently in the process of trying to transfer the actual ESB film... and yet you appear to NOT care about those that DO want a decent transfer of the originals - don't get where you are coming from mate in other words Lol! If you're perfectly happy with the GOUT then why are you bothering looking into ways of transferring an ORIGINAL print of ESB? I certainly hope - by the way - it's successful and applaud your efforts into looking into this.

 

i've been coming to this board for several years, but was never involved, are you telling me

that all those people that did transfers, had projects and edits worked in vain?

are you saying you're not happy with any of the transfers, that you can get for free?

and on top of that with the completely free HD versions of the SE that blow away anything

else, that you can't even buy , no one cares about those?

my intent when i came to this board, was to find out about what was going on in

this community, (i didn't really have internet access or high speed before), and when

i came here, all i heard was complaining, griping, etc (and i still see it, like this thread)..

yes, there are people that take action (adywan, all the faneditors, sound editors, and

moderators), but what about the rest of you? there are so many great ideas on this

board ..........   one that caught my eye was the 8mm transfers, which i ended up getting

for free..  honestly that is still the most amazing thing i have just seen here, and it completely

blew me away ... well i didn't know anything about film, but someone mentioned 16mm, and

then there was a thread about 35mm film too... around that time, someone mentioned

there were some auctions going on ebay........... well i figured someone would take action,

but i didn't hear back from anyone, so that's why i got involved... this was for star wars,

by the way, and i lost that auction by a close amount...

i thought it would be a great looking at everyone elses ideas about what could be

done if we got one, around this time, i got a 32  widescreen tv, and thought, well

wouldn't it be nice to watch these movies in high definition...   and then the ESB 35mm

auction came up, again, i couldn't find anybody interested ....... and i was determined

not to let it get away, and ended up winning it..

so for me, it was more of a technical challenge, and interest in film, etc, and having

a project to do, and that's why i got involved...

it has nothing to do with me being unsatisfied with previous releases, or complaints

against Lucasfilm, etc... like i said, i have about 4 different HD versions of the SE,

and with the Wookiegroomer versions, i'm incredibly happy.... well to add to that

Adywan's HD releases are only going to get better.... so why shouldn't i be happy

about it..

that's what puzzles me about this board, no one really seems to care too much

about the fact that these HD versions are out there....yeah, i know they're SE,

but whats more important to you? having them in HD, or having them in perfectly

acceptable SD format for the OT, with the many, many excellent transfers people

have made already?

It's just some of your comments directed at those who are not happy with the 2004/2006 release I find... odd.

yeah, well i find it odd, that people refuse to confirm the availability of all the hard work

of people on this board already available..

The GOUT was NOT a high quality release, and did NOT give us what we wanted - hence this website and others similar to it. I agree it is probabky the best transfer of the original ld masters, but NOT of the 3 original films which is the whole point.

 

Cheers,

 

- 7FN

 well, i think this website has done an excellent job of educating people, giving them

tons of technical resources (which i hardly see anyone else using, like the excellent

scripts, and details on how to fix the GOUT versions by yourself) .....  

i just don't know why people don't want to be proactive, and do things for themselves,

when it is being handed to you for free, and you're given all the information to handle

it here, especially with the technical help, and references that are available..

i barely knew anything about avisynth before i came here, and now i'm modifying

the GOUT stabilisation script ....  i haven't done much video editing or conversion,

but working with Adywans HD files, i know how to convert multiple HD sources

back and forth from MKV, to .EDO for -> HD DVD formats...... i didn't know anything

about film scanning, but know i know how to make 2k previews, and learn the

basics of color correction ...... i've learned about sound sources, from goodmusician...

i've learned about dead formats like the CED versions, and now i have a player,

and the movies in that format ... i didn't know much about video capture, but

people are there to help me learn the ins and outs of analog and digital capture...

this board has been the greatest audio/video resource i have ever seen,

there is not one question (ok maybe one about VC1 codecs, help me!) that

hasn't been answered, or that someone hasn't figured out how to do, or

made a suggestion..... i could never have dreamt that i could contribute or

do anything useful like this before  .... it was only after watching adywan's

ANH:R edit that my eyes were opened to the technical capabilities that are

available now, and to the people on this board with all the other projects

going on...

i'll say it again, and i'll keep saying it everytime someone complains..

STOP being so sedate, TAKE matters into your own hands, BE PROACTIVE

everyone here is willing to help you with whatever your questions/problems

are, why is it so hard to actually take the step, and do something about your

issues by yourself?  

i took that step, and now look where we might be heading...

i can only imagine what someone on this board that comes after me that is more skilled, has more

money, more time, and more dedication than i will ever have, will do for the star wars community,

because it will blow you away.....

i'm just one casual fan, that decided to take a step into an interesting technical project,

and wanted to see where it went...

by the way, i can't even begin to explain how meaningful it was to me, to get the

Star Wars reel 6, and examine the frames for the preview scans.... it really was

an amazing step back into time..

i hope some of you will feel that  way someday, instead of constantly complaining

about the present, and ignoring what the future could be like..if you would just take that first step...

later

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satanika said:

Well, I guess it depends on how paranoid you are.. :)

But (talking generally) if you're doing something illegal a po box is not gonna save you...

I'm still not quite sure what kind of distribution you're talking about - the final product?
That's not really anything to worry about at this point?

But if, say, 50 people are going to work on individual raw frames, then that method is going to be s-l-o-w. Snailmailing frames out... Working on them... Sending them back... Team leader or whatever checking them... sending back if more work is needed... it will be logistics hell...

i just meant the final product..

also, i still don't ever want any intermediate or work copies floating around either..

it would just be trading hard disks, because the files are gigantic..

people would have their own personal copy to work on, that's it.. and i don't even

know who's really interested in doing the whole project besides a handful of people,

so it might not be that hard..

on the other hand, i've yet to see a crackdown (ssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh) on

any HD version of any film, they're all free on the net, including all 6 star wars

movies....and we talk about everything pretty freely on this board..

so why am i being paranoid about the HD versions of the OT? because people

are making me paranoid, maybe we dont' have to be..

it will be our own 'blue harvest' project..

later

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thanks for some ideas...

but don't you think that people that actually care about this

would agree to the rules (initially) about not distributing it

through the public internet?

i worked on other (music related) projects, where everybody

that got it for free, agreed they would never post it, sell it on 

ebay, or distribute it for a cost... and it worked ! it never

appeared on the net, only when people asked for it, they

got copies, and we distributed it around the world..

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you're right once it's out, we can't control it.....

but we can control how the information gets out, and who has access

to it...

basically, we have to erase all tracks of the source material, who worked on it,

and where did it originate....

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i have an idea, ( a really crazy one)..

but let's just take the whole thing off the internet .......... all the files,

all the discussions, everything ...period.........

and then what? you say...

i don't know.......  physical mail only, hard copies of the print? anonymous

post office boxes?

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yes, its crazy paranoia...

but only because people keep telling me how much of a crackdown there is,

and the consequences of getting caught..

wouldn't it be better to be safe than sorry?

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i've seen PIF chains for many projects here, so let's just extend that here..

if people want a copy, they get it from one person, not one centralized location,

and not from just one person .. once you get your copies out, you're done forever,

and you never need to  make a copy again, ...

i don't know... work with me on this... give me some more ideas...

later

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i don't feel alienated at all..

i'm glad they're just releasing more material, new material,

and continuing the star wars galaxy ..

it's a story that needs to be told, and should not ever die out...

i'm glad there's so much to get, because i've barely scratched

the surface in getting stuff, i feel like i've been missing out on

about 20 years of things, and more and more just adds to it..

the fact that there are more books, videogames, movies, and

2 tv shows coming out, makes me glad to see that the future

generations of star wars fans will have plenty of things to

discuss, read, and play..

the reason i stopped paying attention to star wars in the 90's was because

it nearly died out, and nothing was happening .....   then suddenly

more and more books came out, and then the prequels, and then

a whole ton of things came out, and it has not stopped since..

i think the idea of a universe without star wars would be very boring. 

(especially if you stay stuck in the past with just the few things that

were out in the 70's-90's)..

later

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alien 2 - the first is cinematic history, the 2nd took all the mystery, suspense out the alien mythology

terminator 2 - the first is an original, but once again in the 2nd , it made the terminator into a wimp, and ruined the

importance of his actions from the first one

indiana jones and the temple of doom - why was this even

made? we all know that the first was great

jaws 2 - the first was a classic, the second didn't make it

austin powers 2 - the first was average, the second below average

butterfly effect 2 - the first was decent, the second straight to video

lost boys 2 - the first was kinda funny, the second was just bad

evil dead 2 - good horror the first time around, just corny the second

toy story 2 - the first is an all time classic, the second is a poorly conceived effort

jurassic park 2 - the first had good effects but was not that great, the 2nd didn't have anything

mad max 2 - the first was original in its ideas, but not the second

pirates of the caribbean 2 - the first was a lot of fun, but the second lost all its energy

poltergeist 2- the first is a horror classic, the 2nd wasn't even scary

shrek 2 - the first was actually funny, the 2nd didn't make me laugh at all

species 2 - the first was a bad knockoff of alien, the 2nd was just plain bad

spider man 2- the first was pretty bad, the second was even worse

underworld evolution - the first was average wolf vs vampire, the second was about , ummm, the same?

x-men 2 - the first had a lot of problems, the second had even more

robocop 2 - nice action, satire in the first, nothing in the 2nd

highlander 2 - the first is a classic, i can't even remember the 2nd

bad boys 2 - the first was a fun action piece, the second was just tired

saw 2 - the first was a nice ripoff of seven, the second just prolonged the agony

pitch black 2 - the first was again a ripoff of alien sortof, the second was just horrible

the bourne supremacy - the first was good intrigue and action, the second was just average

mission impossible 2 - the first was a nice remake, the second was a horrible remake

ice age 2 - the first had some decent laughs, the second didn't have any

naked gun 2 1/2 - the first was hilarious, the second wasn't

clerks 2 - the first was a comedy classic, the second was almost a horror film by being so bad

scary movie 2 - the first was kinda funny, not the second

scream 2 - the first was clever, the second wasn't

rocky 2- the first was very dramatic, not the second

2010 - 2001 was a cinematic classic, not the second

airplane 2 - the first was great comedy, not the second

back to the future 2 - the first is a sci-fi masterpiece, the second fell short

basic instinct 2 - the first was a great thriller, did they even need to do another?

charlies angels full throttle - i thought the first one couldn't get worse, i was wrong the second one was

the crow city of angels - the first was a nice dramatic/action movie, the 2nd couldn't match up

cube 2 hypercube - the first was a good low budge horror movie, the 2nd was just lame

excorcist 2 - the first was a horror classic, not the second one

final destination 2- the first had an interesting plot twist, not so in the second

ghostbusters 2 - the first had laughs, action, everything, what did the second have? nothing.

gremlins 2 the new batch - the first had some fun horror moments, not in the second

harold and kumar escape from guatonomo - the first had some crazy parts, nothing in the 2nd

hot shots part deux - first was comedy gold, not the second

kill bill part 2 - the first was amazing, the 2nd not so amazing

lethal weapon 2 - the first had great action, not afterwards

matrix reloaded - the first had its moments, not that great, but what came afterwards?

predator 2 - ha ha, the first at least tried to be different, not the second

pyscho 2 - the first is a horror classic, not again with the next

staying alive - saturday night fever defined a generation, not the next part

waynes world 2 - the first had a few good laughs, not many in the second

later

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where are you zombie84?

i see you're still posting, but you haven't said much about this lately..

i figured you would have thought a lot about this.. looking forward

to your comments..

later

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Arnie.d said:

Is comcast still able to throttle your bittorrent connections when you use encryption?

 yes, that doesn't make a difference, the still do DPI so they can tell..

later

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comcast (i'm actually on cox, so i don't have that problem)

also just went to a 250 Gig per month cap, so you are limited

to that also.. if you go over, they warn you..

(they don't provided you with a meter either)..

also, if you go over again, you get disconnected for quite a long time (a year?)

it's pretty bad, looks like..

later

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not that i want to be legal....

oooppsss.  what i meant is that for a legal approach..

does anybody know anything about film preservation institutes?

http://www.filmpreservation.org/

there's a lot of info here:

http://www.filmpreservation.org/preservation/frameset_preservation.html

since i have a lot of time on my hands i'll be reading it..

too bad star wars wasn't made in 1923 or it would be public doman..

also in dec 1977, they changed the copyright on movies from 75years,

to the life of the director+90 years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

man that's a long time..

later

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Molly said:

I like to keep my site off Google because of the amount of random junk stashed in deep links that I don't want to be randomly found.  robots.txt ftw.

 yeah, buts tons of stuff on this board is already archived,

so its a little late for that..

later

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