negative1

in the meantime, here are some still

shots of the machine:

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Brooks said:

lucasdroid said:

Can you post the schematics for your mad invention so others may re-create and possibly improve on the effort? 

I would LOVE to see the video of the setup that negative 1 mentioned doing earlier (mostly because I'm a big nerd about that kind of thing, and it looks super neat).  You might could improve on it, maybe, but without a good print to work with what would you do with it??

edit: also, a video about the setup would make a nice extra on a dvd/bluray :)

And I didn't know there were any manual focus point and shoots.  Keep up the good work, we're all super psyched for it!

well, it could be used for other movies.. we've already got empire

transferred, and might do jedi..

anyways, unless you need it faster, you could improve the speed.

basically, you just need to buy a used telecine and modify that

with what you can work with (motors,etc). ideally a 35mm film

projector could be altered also.

yeah, i'll upload the video at some point.

there won't be any extras or features with the movie.

it doesn't need it. but we'll have all kinds of stuff for

download for people that want an archive of the jedi.com site,

and all the making of's and preliminary stuff. there's a few

hours worth of it. no point in filling it up on disc, when

that space can be used better for audio/video tracks.

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adywan said:

negative1 said:

Brooks said:

The 35mm film version sounds good.  The Silver Screen edition sounds nice too (like in the trailer).

Newer DSLR's don't have manual focus???  Is that true? 

 

we are using the canon hack software for control.

all the newer 10 and 12 megapixel and up cameras don't

allow for manual exposure without autofocus.

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What model camera are you using? My new Canon 500d DSLR definitely has the option  of manual exposure without autofocus.

we're not using a DSLR. we're using the point and shoot models

like this powershot:

http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Canon-PowerShot-A720-IS-Digital-Camera-Review-15944.htm

also, it has to work with this software:

http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_for_Dummies

which allows the camera to be controlled via scripting

and timing parameters.

there's no point in shooting at higher megapixels, because the

disk space, and rendering time, along with resizing and scaling

make it much harder. also the difference when you render down

to 1080p isn't really that noticeable. only when you are working

with 10 bit raw files, and different color process is where the

workflow makes an impact.

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Brooks said:

The 35mm film version sounds good.  The Silver Screen edition sounds nice too (like in the trailer).

Newer DSLR's don't have manual focus???  Is that true? 

we are using the canon hack software for control.

all the newer 10 and 12 megapixel and up cameras don't

allow for manual exposure without autofocus.

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1990osu said:

First of all, whoah...this is starting to look really serious. And you said that you captured it at higher than 1080p, correct?  So you captured this at higher than Blu-Ray resolution.  Star Wars is saved!

Great job on the trailer.  I love the very stark contrast, for ex. in the dianoga scene and in the tie fighter attack- that is how Star Wars is supposed to look.

I am still confused about the workflow....you projected the print very very slowly using a pulley system on a VHS deck, and then you hacked a digital camera to take timed pictures at the same rate.  Did you just point the projector lens straight at the camera lens?  I am confused about how that part of it works. 

 

EDIT: When this is done, I want to watch it in HD on a big screen TV with the uncompressed 1993 laserdisc PCM blasting through two HUGE speakers.  I can see it now...

i'll post a video of the setup. the film projector did not have an advance

on it.. it only showed 35mm strips or slides manually..

we added a pulley that has a motor/gear from a vhs deck..

and yes, the camera is pointing through

a lens directly at the projected source.

there is no need to go to higher sizes, because nothing supports those

dimensions yet. we needed manual exposure, and turned off auto-focus.

the key thing is being able to get the raw picture files, and work with

those. (i don't think they're 10bit, but i could be wrong).

so only older cameras had that option. newer ones are all auto focus.

the sound will be a combination of stereo sources including film and

laserdisc along with a recreated mono mix.

file sizes are not an issue. the 16g card fills up slowly, and we only

need to do a reel at a time at the most. 20 minutes isn't much.

but we're only getting 1 or 2 frames per second. so it takes quite

a long time to do even one. we've been at it for several months

now.

this trailer is made out of several parts:

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1 the actual trailer, with some cleanup

2 footage from our 2 prints, including the lpp print..

   which has some color, and the corrections on it

3 footage from red faded test reel 

4 sound is from the original trailer

the name isn't final yet either.. i'm pushing for

the 35mm theatrical version..

no time frame yet, but aiming for this year.

we've got about 70% done, and

the color correction is slight, so that part won't 

take too long. but after that we have to do a

first pass at the cleanup.

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Brooks said:

I'm really intrigued by the glimpses of the projector.  I haven't read all the pages of this thread yet, do you discuss your set up?  Is that a DSLR hooked up to the front of the projector??

it's a custom telecine, made from a projector,

with a DIY gear/pulley setup, from a used VHS deck,

and a 8 megapixel cheap canon digital camera,

with the custom software hack to do timed pictures.

we are using 4 megapixels for the pictures, and

keeping those for archive, as we downscale to 1080p.

not exactly state-of-the-art, far from it, but the results

speak for themselves.

slow and steady wins the race. right?

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here's our trailer in 720p (avi):

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http://www.sendspace.com/file/0izfsr

and a 1080p (wmv):

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http://www.sendspace.com/file/7c06v5

password is :  ot.com

enjoy, 

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ok,

sorry, for the off topic post again,

for the trailer for the other project

please see our 35mm thread.

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-our-own-35mm-preservation-my-crazy-proposal/post/584009/#TopicPost584009

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Moth3r said:

negative1 said:

csd79 said:

Nice job! I really like the look of your sample, Thorr. I can only hope that negative1's versions will be of similar quality.

It's great to see film-like SW again.

our 1080p trailer should have given you an idea.

Where was your trailer posted? I don't think I've seen it.

no problem..

i'll repost the 720p avi, and the 1080p wmv

shortly.. the original links no longer work.

i'll put the link in the 35mm thread when it's

ready.

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no need to convert to wmv..

there are several methods and software

mentioned here.. i have the hd-dvd player for

the xbox 360 and a standalone player also..

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http://www.avsforum.com/t/999860/playing-avchd-using-normal-dvd-r-on-hd-dvd-player

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just to agree with the other posters..

went to a theater locally that had midnight showings.

watched 'the fight club' projected from bluray.

we saw the menu, startup, etc. and the picture

looked fine.

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csd79 said:

negative1: Sorry if it sounded like a critique, it wasn't meant to be.

didn't sound like one to me...

well to be fair, you haven't seen much footage yet..

but you will!

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csd79 said:

Nice job! I really like the look of your sample, Thorr. I can only hope that negative1's versions will be of similar quality.

It's great to see film-like SW again.

our 1080p trailer should have given you an idea.

good work thorr.. very nice looking.

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thanks adywan, looks great..

however, that's just a sample of the frames, there's a ton

more with those problems... i'll put up a set later on.

we already have them in better format/transfer, so it would

be just adding more work on top of us just trying to get it

done at this point.. that's why it's a future problem.

also, yes the 'fixed' pictures were my quick attempt,

and were too dark.. also due to me working on several

different computers and monitors.

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Mavimao said:

I am curious, what frames do you plan on using from the faded English print?

depends on what cinch and mr e decide

to fix. we're still analyzing them. wherever

we see scenes with too much grain or lots

of dirt. we'll replace it with the clearer ones,

or merge them. i only have 1 reel 3, and 

2 1/2 reel 4's....so some have a lot of sources

and others only one.

i could put up some more shots from the 1/2

test reel 4.

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TV's Frink said:

Birdemic.  No question.

yeah, the one where the software guy

is dating a model.. hmm, where have i

heard that before? oh yeah, and they

save the world from birds.. will have

to get a gun to shoot them..

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timdiggerm said:

What's with the big blue ....thing?

don't know.. there's a lot of weird

color anomalies due to aging, turning red,

etc, etc.. not sure how it impacts the other

reels yet.. that's why we're not using these,

because it would take too long to fix... 

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ok, they're not widescreen..

but the preview of 4k tv's are coming..

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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/06/4k-tvs-are-coming-but-they-face-an-uphill-battle-in-the-home/

TV makers are at a bit of an impasse: for the first time ever, demand for LCD TVs is down year-over-year. After years of increasing sales and declining prices, the market is finally beginning to become saturated, and the incremental improvements and new features that the television companies have added since LCD TVs became mainstream—things like OLED lighting and 3D TVs—have either been well out of consumers' price ranges or too niche to attract a wide audience.

The TV industry is looking for that must-have feature that will get people with existing LCD TVs to upgrade their sets, and one of those features is the 4K resolution standard. While 4K TV sets are slowly making their way to the market, both the discussion panels and vendors at Consumer Electronics Week seem a bit unsure about the standard's prospects in the home

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here are some captures of the fox intro,

the lucasfilm logo, the ALTA, and the

star wars logo WITHOUT episode 4, and

a few parts of the crawl... there is the

partial red reduction done on it, and also

color corrected versions..

these are all from the english print,

we won't be releasing this (due to the

quality of them).. but we will

be using frames that are clearer and with

less grain to integrate with the current

version..

maybe way into the future when we're done

with the other versions we'll get back to

doing something else with this.

but it will be for archive only purposes for awhile.

reduced red version:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-GOUT-crawl/post/583578/#TopicPost583578

color corrected:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-GOUT-crawl/post/583582/#TopicPost583582

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here are the color corrected versions of those

previous frames from the english '77 print:

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here are some sample shots from our

english version that have not been

processed yet.. there's a of color

anomalies in them..

the fox logo, lucasfilm, alta, the star wars logo

WITHOUT episode 4, and parts of the crawl.

reel 1:

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three more comparison shots:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/NEW-possibly-2nd-Generation-77-78-Bootleg/post/583529/#TopicPost583529

glue frames and glitches with ben:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Tantives-Orange-Items-Thread-other-unintended-objects/post/583530/#TopicPost583530

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here are some glue frames:

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and a glitch on the left side with ben:

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AntcuFaalb said:

frank678 said:

I tried to keep my hand off the vlc image adjust settings, I really did, but I could'nt help myself. This is very subtle tweak (no hue change) and makes the colour 'spread out' a little more on my monitor. Adding a bit more yellow to sand, hair, skin etc. However I'm fairly certain this is pretty needless i.e. the print behind this bootleg I think is probably as good as it gets possibly 100% correct and its only the 1978 capture which can't by its very nature display the whole of the 35mm range with one setting.

contrast 0.98, b 0.93, h 360, s 1.02, g 1.38, also sharpened 0.16

Can you rephrase this? I'm not too sure what you're trying to say here.

here's our version of it:

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frank678 said:

This is the still Mike Verta posted of a star wars print being projected with a 70s bulb,

PS78

PS78 with a merged gold overlay to replicate the effect of the 70s bulb

What I'm trying to determine is is the Pre ANH bootleg different from PS78 colourwise because it was captured with a different bulb. Also is the cinematography of star wars dependent on this 70s bulb completing it/pushing it over the edge (i.e. the colours are muted and then the 70s bulb makes them shine , so it is not dynamic in contrast but still dynamic in colour). This is speculation - input/correction invited.

edit/add: or do some telecines just produce a slight hue change?

here's our version of it:

===============

and one more:

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Have you experimented with "force aspect ratio" you enter in a value 266:100 in video preferences and save, and it plays it like that on restart. This is how it looks doing that.

However, if thats not right another thing that might work is use an aspect ratio calculator counting the number of pixels and try to find the correct force aspect ratio numbers to output that number of pixels.

ours:

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some may say star wars only made it to 19..

due to the SE versions..,

however, i still feel it's at 35 and going stronger

than ever!

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