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DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I haven’t seen Bill Nye Saves the World but the main problem… he differentiates sex and gender.

Oh dear… you should watch the ice cream cartoon he did.

“You can’t change people’s sexuality!” - Video ends with straight ice cream being turned gay.
"No one can make you stop being strawberry, Strawberry. - The whole group makes Vanilla stop being vanilla.

Wait, haven’t watched, is Bill Nye promoting sexual orientation conversion or opposing it? Because one of these makes him a piece of shit and the other makes you guys the piece of shit.

He is promoting both.

How? Do I really need to watch this?

You don’t. The point is supposed to be that sexuality is like a variety of ice cream flavors and the punchline is that the “straight” and “homophobic” (if those words even apply to this juvenile and ridiculous cartoon) vanilla ice cream realizes that it ends up liking experimenting with other ice cream. It’s just a really bad joke. It’s not in favor of sexuality conversion camps.

DominicCobb said:

I must say too that when I first read the Christmas tweet, I thought the main thing he was joking about was that Jesus (if he actually existed) was most likely not born on December 25.

I’ve heard NDT say that on his Joe Rogan appearance. That it was partly that and partly a statement on Newton’s accomplishments being far more tangible.

He’s not promoting conversion, that was obviously just a horrible, unfunny, uncomfortable, and embarrassing joke.

I agree with Bill Nye that sexuality is a spectrum, it just seems like he communicated it in an incredibly embarrassing way.

Bill Nye is saying that sexuality is a big giant spectrum. And I’ll bet my dumb ass that he opposes gay conversion.

I can’t discuss music with people because I’m the type of guy that gets furious anybody whose taste in music differs from mine. Lately I try to avoid the subject whenever it comes up.

Mrebo said:

C’mon, mfm, NDT’s framing was obvious. The article is generous in treating NDT as merely naive. He’s allowed, as are you or anyone else, to engage in such rhetoric but that doesn’t negate the trolling quality.

It’s not trolling. It’s a joke! If he said, “Christians needs to shove Bible pages up their assholes every Christmas morning because Christmas sucks ass and is a national embarrassment even more shameful than Mel Gibson’s love life,” then that would be trolling. You’ve got low fucking standards for trolls if you think that NDT’s comment was trolling.

That is what it says,

“Yikes. What he failed to take into account was that there are lots of people out there who take Jesus’ birthday very seriously. Not long after that, he got hit with a hate-storm of comments, accusing him of being anti-Christian. Though all Tyson wanted to do was share a bit of info he thought the public was unaware of, he simply showed his ignorance of how passionate people are about their religious holidays.”

but you are right on your last sentence. That was bad phrasing on my part, I should’ve said that the author loses credibility, not the article. Also, it’s not trolling to tell the fucking truth. So you’re not allowed to talk about Isaac Newton on Christmas Day anymore because it will offend assholes on Twitter? His point wasn’t to “troll” Christian snowflakes. The word troll is so overused. He was obviously just celebrating a figure that he respects more than the figure that Christmas celebrates. I guess that makes you a troll and a bully now. What a joke.

Cherish your family, you’ve only got one.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I haven’t seen Bill Nye Saves the World but the main problems people have with him is that he’s harsh on climate change deniers and he differentiates sex and gender.

The problems I have with both NDT and Nye are that they should stick to teaching science and quit dumping their opinions about philosophical and cultural matters. It’s like they can assert, because they are science celebrities, other not-scientific random crap they opine.

Again, what cultural matters are they even talking about that are so objectionable? I’ve yet to get any examples other than Christmas, which again, what he said wasn’t offensive. And as Frink already said, why does being a scientist automatically mean that they should never talk about anything else? I’m sure your profession isn’t related to the any of the shit you talk about on here or any other social media that you use.

It’s like when people point out that religious leaders shouldn’t tell you how to vote, and that politicians shouldn’t tell you how to pray. They should stick to science and pull the stick out for other matters that are not their field.

Religions are tax exempt and for that reason their leaders shouldn’t be telling us how to vote. Also, religious knowledge implies no political credibility whatsoever. Being a scientist, on the other hand, actually does imply that they’re generally far more knowledgable than most people. This doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll be right on all cultural or philosophical issues, but they’ve got a better shot at being right than most people do. And politicians shouldn’t be praying at all, they be representing us in our government like they’re supposed to.

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I haven’t seen Bill Nye Saves the World but the main problems people have with him is that he’s harsh on climate change deniers and he differentiates sex and gender.

The problems I have with both NDT and Nye are that they should stick to teaching science and quit dumping their opinions about philosophical and cultural matters. It’s like they can assert, because they are science celebrities, other not-scientific random crap they opine.

Just like you and I can assert, because we log on to a forum, other not-relevant-to-our-respective-day-jobs random crap that we opine!

I seriously have no idea what the problem is here.

The problem is they are famous and use their fame as a soapbox for [you-don’t-know-what-you’re-talking-about]. People give more weight to their opinion than is warranted because of that popularity.

It’s not like people are giving Jessica Simpson weight because of her fame. I think they’re giving their opinions weight because they (Nye and Tyson) are more intelligent than the average person.

Mrebo said:

http://www.grunge.com/14813/basic-facts-neil-degrasse-tyson-gotten-wrong/

That article only points out some off-the-cuff statements that were wrong in some cases. The article loses all credibility when it says that he was too insensitive to people’s thoughts on Christmas. I hate this idea that we all have to celebrate other people’s holidays.

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Christmas is a shithole holiday for hypocrites. That’s being dickish, and I won’t apologize for it.

So what else is new?

Me or Christmas?

You.

Why? If comments on Christmas are going to be “dickish” then I might as well go all out.

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Christmas is a shithole holiday for hypocrites. That’s being dickish, and I won’t apologize for it.

So what else is new?

Me or Christmas?

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t think the argument has ever been that Trump is a white supremacist, but rather it’s that his base is significantly composed of racist idiots.

He is too.

Not as devotedly as his supporters are.

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Neil is a real scientist. And making fun of Christmas on Twitter doesn’t make him a dick.

Sure it does.

No it doesn’t. If you want to see someone being a dick about Christmas, I’ll do it for you. Christmas is a shithole holiday for hypocrites. That’s being dickish, and I won’t apologize for it.

You have more of an argument with Bill Nye being a celebrity more than a scientist, but you can’t deny that he is extremely intelligent and knows what the fuck he’s talking about.

I’ll deny both things.

Well, then you’re wrong.

I think the, “you’re wrong because I said so” thing is better kept in Politics 😛

It isn’t just because I said so.

Jeebus said:

Tyson comes across (to me, at least) as kinda pretentious.

Maybe it’s just his Twitter persona, I don’t know.

I don’t think any of that is a problem. People care more about football then other stuff, most people don’t have common sense, there’s nothing douchey about his description of Leap Year. I guess I have higher standards for what constitutes a douchebag.

It’s not like calling me or you a scientist. I haven’t seen Bill Nye Saves the World but the main problems people have with him is that he’s harsh on climate change deniers and he differentiates sex and gender. I don’t see those as problems.

TV’s Frink said:

OH MY GOD WHAT A DICK

I mean really?

Total dick. Fuck Christmas and fuck everybody that thinks we have to celebrate their holidays with them.

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Neil is a real scientist. And making fun of Christmas on Twitter doesn’t make him a dick.

Sure it does.

No it doesn’t. If you want to see someone being a dick about Christmas, I’ll do it for you. Christmas is a shithole holiday for hypocrites. That’s being dickish, and I won’t apologize for it.

You have more of an argument with Bill Nye being a celebrity more than a scientist, but you can’t deny that he is extremely intelligent and knows what the fuck he’s talking about.

I’ll deny both things.

Well, then you’re wrong.

He said something along the lines of, let’s celebrate the birth of a very important man today, Sir Isaac Newton. Newton was born on December 25.

Mrebo said:

Weird little story about Paul Ryan trying to get rid of the chaplain of the House. The chaplain claims that Ryan’s chief of staff said, “maybe it’s time that we had a Chaplain that wasn’t Catholic.”

Violation of free exercise of religion?

There shouldn’t be any government employed Chaplain.

Neil is a real scientist. And making fun of Christmas on Twitter doesn’t make him a dick. You have more of an argument with Bill Nye being a celebrity more than a scientist, but you can’t deny that he is extremely intelligent and knows what the fuck he’s talking about.

I don’t think the argument has ever been that Trump is a white supremacist, but rather it’s that his base is significantly composed of racist idiots.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Johnson? Wilson? I’m confused.

I was never a Reagan fan, but I would confess to having been moved by his speech after the challenger disaster.

I find Bush’s 9/11 speech at the ground zero rubble to be quite moving as well. I still oppose the presidency.