moviefreakedmind

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

But of course Han has her midriff showing.

Oh yeah, I’m sure someone forced her to show it.

Oh yeah, I’m sure I was saying that.

It came across that way. I get the idea that you’re at least implying that it’s somehow a bad thing that she’s showing her stomach and I don’t see how it could be bad unless she was forced to show it. It’s funny that that is what is problematic when she’s standing next to a guy in a slave outfit with a loin cloth and nothing else (and by the way, that isn’t offensive either, at least not to me).

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Handman said:

Also my eyes are bleeding.

Why? It’s funny as hell.

I’m starting to get the idea, based on two posts Handman has made today, that men who aren’t fully clothed make him uncomfortable.

I’m hesitant to guess why though.

That’s his cross to bear, not ours.

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Let’s just say… The loincloth works well on female anatomy, but on male anatomy… it’s a bit bulky.

And?

At least I’m consistent on this! I want some acknowledgement for that. 😉

TV’s Frink said:

And it’s ridiculous to say that

A) Women should be expected to do whatever the script calls for and

If they accept the job knowing what the script calls for then yes that is reasonable.

B) Women should just refuse the job if they don’t want to do it

Not ridiculous at all. If there’s a part available that calls for nudity and they don’t want to be nude on camera, then they should just refuse the job.

TV’s Frink said:
[repeatedly slams head against desk]

I also love hurting myself. You never struck me as a self-harm kinda guy.

Oh, if you’re asking about the “No but you did” line then I don’t have an answer for you.

ZigZig said:

moviefreakedmind said:

ZigZig said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

So, because I have an opinion of my own, you won’t share yours?

That’s not what I said. I said you will color my answer with assumptions you’re already making to prove your point. And you don’t seem to be asking with the intent of me saying in what way those assumptions are inaccuate.

“I don’t understand.” - Anakin Skywalker

Suffice it to say God is not torturing people.

So the Bible is lying?

Where does the Bible say that God is torturing people ?

Many places. Jesus says it all the time. It’s in Revelation.

Citation needed.

Is that a joke? It is common knowledge how the Bible describes hell. There’s also the Revelation bit where Jesus Christ has the privilege of a front-row seat for watching the torment of those that took the mark of the Beast.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Hell/

God apparently tortured Christ himself on the cross if you believe that whole thing about Christ taking God’s punishment for us.

Well, we obviously don’t have the same Bible. AFAIK, Christ IS God (you know, the whole Trinity stuff). So claiming that God tortured Jesus is just a lack of knowledge of dogma, unless you assume that God is masochistic and inflicts pain on Himself. 😃

I guess you could call him a masochist. I know the trinity is all one but the Bible definitely handles them like individual characters in the gospels.

And again, I’m not saying that I believe it. I’m just saying that we must not make the sacred texts say anything.

I’m not. I’m doing the opposite. I’m taking them in context for what they do say.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Technically, God isn’t torturing people in hell even if it is fire ans brimstone. In fact, the Bible’s not really clear on who created hell, but that opens up a whole other can of theological worms.

It is. All things were created through Christ. (John 1)

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

I’m not even going to get into this with you, mfm. You don’t really want to know my opinion. You want me to paint myself into a corner since you think my position is uninformed even by the sources of information I value most, and makes no sense from a rational standpoint.

I do want to know your opinion, but I’m obviously never going to hear it so I’ll move on.

I said: God is not torturing people.

So, you’re actually interested in my explaining how people are tormented without my also blaming God? You’re interested in my explaining holiness, sin, justice, and sacrifice? You want me to explain free will, and the relationship a loving father has with his children?

Well that’s basically my point. I don’t have a problem with the idea of a vengeful God that damns all those who don’t worship him. It’s pretty exciting and it’s neat, I just don’t like the contradiction. He’s a loving father that casts away the children that aren’t serving him. Christians actually hold God to a lower standard than they hold people. If a father in this world kicked his kids out of the house for not serving him or believing he’s all-knowing, that father would classified as heartless and awful. Not that I’m an expert on parenting or anything.

So many evil cops I can’t even keep track!

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/police-command-and-control-culture-often-lethal

#JailAllCops

chyron8472 said:

I’m not even going to get into this with you, mfm. You don’t really want to know my opinion. You want me to paint myself into a corner since you think my position is uninformed even by the sources of information I value most, and makes no sense from a rational standpoint.

I do want to know your opinion, but I’m obviously never going to hear it so I’ll move on.

ZigZig said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

So, because I have an opinion of my own, you won’t share yours?

That’s not what I said. I said you will color my answer with assumptions you’re already making to prove your point. And you don’t seem to be asking with the intent of me saying in what way those assumptions are inaccuate.

“I don’t understand.” - Anakin Skywalker

Suffice it to say God is not torturing people.

So the Bible is lying?

Where does the Bible say that God is torturing people ?

Many places. Jesus says it all the time. It’s in Revelation. God apparently tortured Christ himself on the cross if you believe that whole thing about Christ taking God’s punishment for us.

NeverarGreat said:

For a second I thought this was a promotional image from the Solo movie.

Lol! That’d be great.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

So, because I have an opinion of my own, you won’t share yours?

That’s not what I said. I said you will color my answer with assumptions you’re already making to prove your point. And you don’t seem to be asking with the intent of me saying in what way those assumptions are inaccuate.

“I don’t understand.” - Anakin Skywalker

Suffice it to say God is not torturing people.

So the Bible is lying?

When a video game is altered by someone, the altered version is called a “mod.” Because it’s a modified version of the original game.

Handman said:

Also my eyes are bleeding.

Why? It’s funny as hell.

TV’s Frink said:

For mfm:

https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1205066/action/topic#1205066

That’s a really hilarious Halloween idea.

But of course Han has her midriff showing.

Oh yeah, I’m sure someone forced her to show it.

It should be obvious that I basically just want to know how you rationalize this to yourself. I’m not under any delusion that I will change your mind.

So, because I have an opinion of my own, you won’t share yours?

Today in cop news:

http://spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/charlotte/news/2018/05/10/cmpd-officer-charged-with-shoplifting

TV’s Frink said:

I understand what he’s doing, I don’t understand why he’s doing it. It’s a ridiculous comparison.

It’s not quite the same but it’s not ridiculous. It’s the same “people said something I don’t like so I need to leave the forum” line.

It’s probably still just considered a mod.

No, I’m asking why (or even if) you think torture is immoral.

TV’s Frink said:

Possessed said:

Yeah thanks handman.

Why… I’m so upset you said that I think I might have to take a few days to collect myself!

Prime example.

I’m pretty sure he’s comparing you to Warbler and ender.

Yeah, no point anymore.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t think so. The parents never bothered putting in effort to make their child less sickening so we’ll never know for sure but I don’t blame the kid. She was like 3 so I’m blaming the terrible parenting. There’s little that I hate more than parents who decide that since their lives are ruined, everyone else’s lives have to be ruined too.

Whenever I go out to dinner with my daughter, if she throws a fit and cries and fusses I take her outside. She doesn’t do it that often (knock on wood) but I react pretty quickly when it happens because I don’t intend to put up with it.

That makes you an awesome parent.

chyron8472 said:

Okay… coming back to the question Ash (and Frink) wanted me to answer about my opinion of Hell, and how it compares to the traditional view as fire and brimstone.

The truth is: I’m not sure exactly. I do have ideas, but not all of them solid. I do know (and by “know” I mean posit) that as Heaven is eternity in the presence of God, by contrast Hell is eternity apart from it. I am aware that there are personal accounts from people who had (near?) death experiences and came back with descriptions of what Hell is like.

For myself, I kind of figure that a description to us of Hell is similar to the description of the Holy city in Revelation in the sense of trying to describe the indescribable. In Revelation, John talks about the Holy city with descriptions like it having gates made of pearl and streets made of gold. It occurs to me that gold’s value comes from its scarcity, and that for it to be so abundant that the street is literally made from it then cheapens its value. Basically, he’s trying, in so many words, to say the city is indescribably, uncomprehendingly beautiful.

Similarly, in the case of Hell, the experience is indescribably terrible. Whether that comes from separation from God or literal physical torment, I’m not sure. But then, let me explore the meaning of the word “eternity.” God created time and space as it exists in our universe and on this dimensional plane. It occurs to me that time does not have to flow or exist in the same manner on different planes or different universes or whatever. And therefore, to say “eternity” may not mean “for all time”, but rather “is.” Like, if you take where you are at a single point in time, and in that point you are there, if you remove time from the universe you just exist there, in some concept of eternity that just means “is”.

So I don’t know, but I have concepts of what it might be like, none of it good. I don’t believe it means you cease to exist, because the Bible does not suggest that to be true. The Bible does use the word “destruction”, but that is not synonymous with annihilation.

Separation from God wouldn’t even be torment for most people. I mean, do you believe torture is moral in this world? If not, then why is it moral for God to torture people for the completely insignificant crime of not believing in him specifically.