moviefreakedmind

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

But that is what we are discussing! Discrimination is not always illegal. The basic concept is generally true, but not always. The real target, ultimately, is the intolerance itself, which can manifest in all manner of ways that would be difficult to end without destroying freedom.

Discrimination based on immutable characteristics is illegal.

I’m assuming many people believe said characteristic is not necessarily immutable.

Well that’s just too bad for those people then isn’t it? Not all beliefs are deserving of respect.

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

Freedom means that people are going to be intolerant.

What do you honestly care about freedom? You see no problem with the sitting American president allowing one of the world’s most oppressive dictators to meddle in our elections. Do not, for one second, act as though you care at all about American freedoms.

What a silly and erroneous response. I expect more from you.

Why? It’s pretty typical of my commentary.

Yeah when you get worked up but you can do better.

I don’t know. I’m an angry guy full of bitterness and hatred, so I don’t think I get much better than that.

I don’t see much reason to respond to your post beyond this since it doesn’t even have anything to do with what we’re talking about. We’re talking about discrimination, not intolerance, which are separate issues.

Discrimination is a manifestation of intolerance.

Yes, but once intolerance manifests itself in discrimination, it becomes illegal. This is a very basic concept.

But that is what we are discussing! Discrimination is not always illegal. The basic concept is generally true, but not always. The real target, ultimately, is the intolerance itself, which can manifest in all manner of ways that would be difficult to end without destroying freedom.

Discrimination based on immutable characteristics is illegal.

I’d say no for the simple reason that I don’t like the new movies and I don’t like seeing Star Wars products everywhere. I’d say the best time for the series was after TPM in 3D flopped and before George sold it to Disney. I thought then that Star Wars was dead forever.

I’ve gotten to the point lately that being in the company of others, no matter what the situation and no matter who it is, makes me feel physically ill. It’s really frustrating and I don’t know what to do about it. I rarely leave my house and when I do I only go out at night, so that helps a little, but I still hate it.

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/donald-trump-putin-helsinki-summit/index.html

Thoughts:

Conservatives got mad at Obama for blaming America and being overly conciliatory to hostile nations (including Russia), so this reverse is darkly amusing.

Oh my God. Is that really how you’re interpreting this? People aren’t mad at Trump for being conciliatory to Russia. They’re mad at him for being treasonous! Even if you disagree with that assessment, don’t fucking lie about why they’re mad at him!

The target of my comment were conservatives who support Trump. You can tell that because that is who I wrote about. I said nothing about the people who are mad at Trump. You can tell that because I wrote nothing about them. I’m saying that Trump supporters are showing inconsistency. You can tell that because that was what I actually wrote.

You were implying a false equivalence to the criticisms of Obama and Trump. The criticisms of those two men in relation to this are totally different.

Do we want more Cold War?

Do we want an illegitimate president? Trump has been alienating all of our allies since he took office so why do you suddenly care about diplomatic relations?

Okay. Strange that an open-ended question about a realistic possibility is met with accusations.

It’s obvious that that was your implication. If I say that my next door neighbor is a murderer and then follow that up with the statement, “Do I really want the police prowling around my neighborhood?” then that implies that I’m at least considering that it’d be better to leave the murderer in place rather than face that situation.

There are areas of our country that don’t want the police around even where there are murders going on. These are complex issues.

That’s because the police are constantly beating the shit out of innocent people or outright murdering them. That wasn’t even my point, I was just using it as an example of what you were obviously implying.

Obviously we need to face the Russia situation. I’m not sure what we do, whether we go back to a Cold War situation or what. Events have been pushing us in that direction well before Trump. And yes, the politics now makes it more difficult. I’m not talking about Trump, just what can our country do about Russia.

What does that have to do with anything? You’re redirecting the discussion away from Trump’s actions again.

TV’s Frink said:

Anyone who voted based on comments other people made deserve the shitty country they have. Voting shouldn’t be like a YouTube comment section.

The argument that it makes sense to vote for someone based on the fact that some people that have nothing to do with our government have said things that are ridiculous blows my mind. I can’t imagine voting for a candidate based on what irrelevant citizens say.

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

Freedom means that people are going to be intolerant.

What do you honestly care about freedom? You see no problem with the sitting American president allowing one of the world’s most oppressive dictators to meddle in our elections. Do not, for one second, act as though you care at all about American freedoms.

What a silly and erroneous response. I expect more from you.

Why? It’s pretty typical of my commentary.

I don’t see much reason to respond to your post beyond this since it doesn’t even have anything to do with what we’re talking about. We’re talking about discrimination, not intolerance, which are separate issues.

Discrimination is a manifestation of intolerance.

Yes, but once intolerance manifests itself in discrimination, it becomes illegal. This is a very basic concept.

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/donald-trump-putin-helsinki-summit/index.html

Thoughts:

Conservatives got mad at Obama for blaming America and being overly conciliatory to hostile nations (including Russia), so this reverse is darkly amusing.

Oh my God. Is that really how you’re interpreting this? People aren’t mad at Trump for being conciliatory to Russia. They’re mad at him for being treasonous! Even if you disagree with that assessment, don’t fucking lie about why they’re mad at him!

The target of my comment were conservatives who support Trump. You can tell that because that is who I wrote about. I said nothing about the people who are mad at Trump. You can tell that because I wrote nothing about them. I’m saying that Trump supporters are showing inconsistency. You can tell that because that was what I actually wrote.

You were implying a false equivalence to the criticisms of Obama and Trump. The criticisms of those two men in relation to this are totally different.

Do we want more Cold War?

Do we want an illegitimate president? Trump has been alienating all of our allies since he took office so why do you suddenly care about diplomatic relations?

Okay. Strange that an open-ended question about a realistic possibility is met with accusations.

It’s obvious that that was your implication. If I say that my next door neighbor is a murderer and then follow that up with the statement, “Do I really want the police prowling around my neighborhood?” then that implies that I’m at least considering that it’d be better to leave the murderer in place rather than face that situation.

The good things to come out of Trump’s traitorous behavior at his conference with Putin are that he’s sealed his fate as a one-term president and now his defenders and supporters can be immediately, and accurately, labeled as unAmerican.

I honestly don’t find any of this Trump phenomenon to be the least bit funny.

DominicCobb said:

Anyone who thinks that Star Wars has only now in 2018 “jumped the shark” has selective memory loss, and is forgetting the years 1999 and 2002 when Jar Jar Binks and a flippy jumpy Yoda graced out eyeballs, respectively. There’s honestly nothing at all in the new Disney movies that fits the phrase, especially as they hew much closer to the more grounded and believable nature of the original films. Just because you don’t like a scene or a film doesn’t make it a “jump the shark” moment.

I don’t think you’re going back far enough. Death Star II, Luke and Leia being siblings, and the Ewoks could arguably be considered “jump the shark” moments.

I think they’re running out of iconic Star Wars imagery and characters to exploit and I don’t think that the general public will be too interested in movies about totally new Star Wars characters or settings.

I can’t stand it when packaging or artwork gets cluttered by stupid little ads or notices like that.

Mrebo said:

Freedom means that people are going to be intolerant.

What do you honestly care about freedom? You see no problem with the sitting American president allowing one of the world’s most oppressive dictators to meddle in our elections. Do not, for one second, act as though you care at all about American freedoms.

I don’t see much reason to respond to your post beyond this since it doesn’t even have anything to do with what we’re talking about. We’re talking about discrimination, not intolerance, which are separate issues.

Mrebo said:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/donald-trump-putin-helsinki-summit/index.html

Thoughts:

Conservatives got mad at Obama for blaming America and being overly conciliatory to hostile nations (including Russia), so this reverse is darkly amusing.

Oh my God. Is that really how you’re interpreting this? People aren’t mad at Trump for being conciliatory to Russia. They’re mad at him for being treasonous! Even if you disagree with that assessment, don’t fucking lie about why they’re mad at him!

Do we want more Cold War?

Do we want an illegitimate president? Trump has been alienating all of our allies since he took office so why do you suddenly care about diplomatic relations?

If the Republican Congress had any principles or any love for this country then they would immediately impeach this treacherous bastard.

dahmage said:

We wouldn’t miss the past if we had already experienced the future.

We would if the future was fucking terrible.

Warbler said:

here we go again.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/15/coupon-dispute-prompts-white-cvs-manager-to-call-police-on-black-woman-report.html

I don’t know the full story, but either it is more than a black woman trying to use a coupon, or that manager has some sort of mental or physical disability. You don’t get shaken that visibly just from black woman trying to use a coupon, even if you are racist. Also if you list to the audio you can here a siren going off, why?

The local news my area already compared it to the incident of the two black men being arrested at Star Bucks.

I may or may not address more about this later, but I do with to address this:

People are way too eager to call police in this country.

While on the phone with police, Matson describes Hudson as “African-American,” to which she responds, “Black. No, I’m not African-American, I’m black. Black isn’t a bad word.”

Dear Ms. Hudson,

It may shock you realize this, but white people are not mind readers. They can’t tell before hand whether you prefer the term black or African American or whatever. You know for a fact that some people of your race consider African American and not black as the proper term. How this guy supposed to know which term you prefer(and I don’t think he should have to ask you when he is calling the cops on you). You may wish to ask why he has to refer to your race at all, well like it or not, your race is part of your description and one thing police are going ask when you call them is what the person you are calling about looks like. It frustrates and angers me that something so obvious needs to be explained. But I guess it does.

Well, when you’ve done nothing wrong and someone calls the police to say that there’s an unwanted African American in the building, you probably tend to get insulted and angry. I know I would. She’s braver than I am though because I’d have ran away immediately when the cops were called. The men and women in blue tend to have a nasty habit of brutally beating or murdering people.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

flametitan said:

chyron8472 said:
JEDIT: I’m not saying they should put up with it. I’m saying standing there in the store having a shouting match about it isn’t going to get the customer what they want.

Who the fuck said anything about that?

Yeah. I have no idea where that came from. I think it’s a way of backpedaling the call for people to “respect” discriminatory fundamentalists, which I think is an unjustifiable stance.

I think people should strive to be polite. Some Many MANY people are asshats just because, regardless of whether it might be called for.

Sure. Don’t respect them either.

In general, I think respect and general politeness is a laudable goal. I understand that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, but I don’t, for myself, think stomping around and making a scene is the proper way to get someone offering you a service to give you what you want.

That isn’t even what happened. You’re conflating lawsuits and protests with literally standing in an establishment and screaming like a psychopath. I don’t understand this.

flametitan said:

chyron8472 said:
JEDIT: I’m not saying they should put up with it. I’m saying standing there in the store having a shouting match about it isn’t going to get the customer what they want.

Who the fuck said anything about that?

Yeah. I have no idea where that came from. I think it’s a way of backpedaling the call for people to “respect” discriminatory fundamentalists, which I think is an unjustifiable stance.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Why should the person denied service be expected to respect that service’s choice?

Because life is too short; there are likely other choices; and being respectful in general toward others should be the ideal.

It shouldn’t be. I think that respecting bad and irrational opinions has held America and the world back for way too long.

One should be indignant, sure, but throwing a hissy fit just makes them look like a child and accomplishes nothing. And you don’t want to give someone incentive to pee in the soup you asked them to make (a la Fight Club).

I don’t know how you define “hissy fit”. I guess Sarah Huckabee Sanders threw a hissy fit over getting kicked out of a restaurant, but what gay people have been throwing hissy fits in the middle of bakeries? Is suing them the equivalent of throwing a hissy fit? And why did you ignore the rest of my post? I thought it pretty well-reasoned. And throwing a “fit,” to use your language, actually accomplishes a lot. Vocal complaining has led to a lot of both great and terrible things in the world throughout the years.

JEDIT: I’m not saying they should put up with it. I’m saying standing there in the store having a shouting match about it isn’t going to get the customer what they want.

That isn’t even something that I’m aware of as being an issue. I don’t condone screaming in the face of some person in the lobby of an establishment, but that wasn’t what we were discussing at all so it didn’t really occur to me.

SilverWook said:

moviefreakedmind said:

oojason said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s fascinating and tragic how people have been victimized by the Star Wars fandom. Kelly Marie, Ahmed Best, and Jake Lloyd have all been crucified by obsessed and mean-spirited fans.

Rian Johnson too - similar abuse to what the above have endured - including death threats and announcements of his death too. JJ Abrams received a quite a bit of abuse too if I recall. Kathleen Kennedy as well.

That’s right, and hell, George has gotten a lot of horrible stuff like that too for longer than any of them have. The list goes on and on and I think the list will just keep getting longer, unfortunately.

Is there evidence Lucas was threatened publicly? The only specific creepy thing I remember was that one forum member a decade ago who was always going on about how he wanted to bury George with a shovel. That guy was disturbing as heck.

I don’t know. I just know he’s gotten the same abuse directed toward him that people like Jake Lloyd and Kelly Marie Tran and Ahmed Best have gotten.

flame is an actual word and I’d never seen flametitan’s name shortened to that. Maybe you and others have done it before and I just didn’t see it. I don’t know. A better example would be if you referred to me as movie.

I probably won’t be confused by it again any time soon after this though so I guess it’s fine.

Holy shit that’s funny. I thought he was saying that Collipso’s statement that calling homosexuality sinful was a flame post. Just say flametitan, then I won’t be confused next time.

Definitely.

I hate that shit.