moviefreakedmind

That's really odd, especially since the sunset was altered before the DVD.

walking_carpet said:

for all the crap that the 'vaseline blob' gets, that shot actually doesnt look that bad at all and is not nearly as embarrassing as the other junk that was grafted on - like robot at the entrance of mos eisley that smacks down the little floating droid.

 And CG Jabba was NOT state of the art for '97

I also think that to an extent bullies are a part of life. You can't tell a teacher if someone in the real world is being a dick to you, although I guess you could if it were in the workplace. I remember a news story a while back that had everyone on youtube up in arms because a boy was being made fun for having a My Little Pony backpack and the principal suggested not wearing it. When you are going to school with a bunch of 13 year old kids and you wear a My Little Pony backpack then be prepared to get a bunch of smart ass comments thrown your way. Obviously if someone were actually harassing him or hurting him then that's a different story, but teachers can't stop kids from being 'mean' to each other.

Handman said:

I might regret saying this, but I just don't think this is one of those problems we can solve. As far as I'm aware, it's human nature to do this sort of thing, and the only "solution" is to teach everyone the effects of it, tell them it's not that nice to do, and offer some methods to cope with it.

To quote Lucas:

" It's stylistically designed to be that way and you can't undo that. But we can diminish the effects of it."

 It is taught though. Most bullies don't know or think that they're bullying. 

AntcuFaalb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Perhaps, because at that point they had made the jump to digital.

The D-1 tapes are digital. :o)

 I know. I meant that it may have been their only digital copy, and they refused to "revert" back to film

AntcuFaalb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

By the way, I've always interpreted Lucas' lie that the 1993 tape was the best available source as meaning that it was the only source that needed ZERO clean up. Even the best preserved IP would have needed some work put into it before releasing it. That's just my take though

Assuming that they didn't want to go back to film, the 1993 D-1s might have been all they had available at the time.

I know for certain that the D-1 tapes used for the JSC LD release were already in private hands by 2006.

 Perhaps, because at that point they had made the jump to digital. If what Zombie (at least I think it was him) said about them spending the past few years scanning all of their material to digital is true then that means by 2006 the film elements of the OT were likely still in storage 

You have to be assertive in order to fend off a bully. As someone who was bullied a lot when in school, I really think I'd have been respected more if I'd have just looked him in the eye and said, "Suck my fat one you cheap dime-store hood." 

I would never recommend physical violence against a bully (self defense is of course acceptable) even if they're asking for it. As for how they're viewed, however, I think it tends to be a little of both. There are some bullies who are the most obnoxious and mean-spirited people in the world, and it turns out that they actually have the most traumatic background you can imagine (even someone as evil as the killer from Scream had a fucked up family life).

Some are also just truly sick minded people though. There was one kid in my high-school way back in the day who was horrifically mean to everyone and even said he got a "high" off of making people angry. In the early days of the internet he'd even go on suicide help forums and tell people to kill themselves and insult them (btw, he wasn't the victim of anything that would cause this twisted of behavior). So in his case I'd say it's definitely a situation where the bully deserves to be bullied. He was the closest thing to evil I've ever personally met in my life. 

The cause and solution vary from situation to situation though.

darklordoftech said:

the solution is to scan or telecine an IP and don't change anything

That's what I'm guessing will happen. Revisionism is Revisionism, but there is no denying that the altered colors of Alice and Wonderland is infinitely different than the SE's. The SE's and the OUT are two separate versions of the films, and there is in fact demand for both versions. I know Disney is known to toy with certain aspects of their animated features, but in this case it is known that a lot of people are interested in owning the original versions of the Star Wars trilogy, and it would be very easy for them to just scan an IP. It'd take a little clean up most likely, but still would be simple.

By the way, I've always interpreted Lucas' lie that the 1993 tape was the best available source as meaning that it was the only source that needed ZERO clean up. Even the best preserved IP would have needed some work put into it before releasing it. That's just my take though

AntcuFaalb said:

Alderaan said:

They just want the OOT version looking like the official BR does now.

So they want amateurishly-bad color grading and DNR'd-to-hell PQ. Interesting.

I of course wouldn't want that, but if it were the unaltered OT then I would still buy it. I mean, there are plenty of movies with sub-par blu ray releases out there. For example, Halloween: H20 has a lame blu ray release with poor PQ, but I enjoy the film and the franchise so I own it anyway. Obviously Star Wars is light years ahead of H20 so I have no doubt that Star Wars would never be released in a quality as low as poor H20 was, but even if it did, and it was the unaltered versions, I'd buy it in a heart beat, but only if they were the unaltered versions.

Actually, after watching it a couple more times today, I kind of like the teaser. The initial shock wore off, and then I watched it again and I actually really liked the look of some of the shots and actors. It is just a teaser, and all that means is that they need to shove in as many of the exciting parts as possible in 80 seconds. I'm excited for the full length trailer now

darklordoftech said:

I've seen some confusion on other websites surrounding the fact that a Stormtrooper is played by Boyega rather than Morrison. 

 Hopefully it means that we've seen the end of all that clone trooper crap

I have to admit I was very disappointed by the teaser trailer (even without high hopes anyway). It doesn't look like the prequels, and it doesn't look like the OT either. It reminded me of the Old Republic trailer to be honest. I know it's just a teaser so hopefully it'll grow on me as new information comes out.

Handman said:

moviefreakedmind said:

along with the PT in 4:3 letterbox DVD's,

 Alright, that would actually be worse than the GOUT. Sure, you may not like the PT, neither do I, but saying stuff like that makes us no better than the weirdos at TFN.

Unless that was a joke. If so, haha.

 It was a joke

It will be a bonus disc in some form or another. Maybe when the ST is done, they'll release a comprehensive set of both trilogies along with the PT in 4:3 letterbox DVD's, with the Holiday Special as bonus material. Maybe they'll include it with the OUT, seeing as how both have been censored for the past couple decades

Fang Zei said:

darklordoftech said:

Simce there's three different SEs, there's no "SE generation". Everyone grew up with a different SE.

This is exactly why they should take the Blade Runner approach to the blu-ray set and have the final 2015 version on the first disc, the '97 on the second and the OOT on the third. A lot of people hate some of the changes made in '04 (Hayden) and '11 (Noooooooo!), but are okay with the '97 version. Since most if not all of the '04/'11 changes would presumably be carried over to the 2015 version (even if they had to redo all of them because of the new scan), it would be nice to include the '97 version as an option.

What we'll probably get is a blu-ray equivalent of the '06 individual dvd sets, the big difference is that they'll be new transfers for both versions instead of recycled ones. Maybe they'll simplify it even more and we'll simply get a three-disc set that's just the restored OOT and nothing more, maybe with a few little extras sprinkled across the discs.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Sure, but I'd be shocked more if they do a new SE than I would if they released the Holiday Special. They will not waste money making another SE when no one likes the SE in the first place. Even people who like the SE had grown tired of the endless changes with each release. I know the blu ray sold well, but there was huge backlash regarding the stupidity that was added to the films in that release.

unamochilla2 said:

https://www.facebook.com/StarWars/photos/a.184244804960462.62918.169299103121699/850728251645444/?type=1&theater

Is this the first time it's been acknowledged like this?

 A high quality image was posted too; not a crappy screen shot of the bootleg

What I meant was that Episode VII's CGI will be used appropriately, and not simply just to show off, which is all the SE's were. The SE's only goal was to shove as much CGI stuff on the screen as possible and ram it down our throats. For the Force Awakens I think they'll use CGI when appropriate, and not just for the sake of having CGI

That's right. Using less cgi effects goes against everything the SE's stood for

Yes I was referring to Clones. Sith is also mostly forgotten but it has its fans.

emanswfan said:

If they at the least have all the raw footage still around from the PT, Disney should at least consider re-editing the films from the ground up, not having to strictly stick to the set structure of the original versions.  Then they do all new modern VFX, also not having to necessarily stick to what was originally there.  And even the new VFX could help modify the story, along with maybe just a little newly shot footage here and there.  And they can do it all in a 4K DI, given the live-action footage is properly upscaled via the best motion-adpative upscalers available.

But we all know no studio would ever spend that kind of money a project like that unfortunately.

 That seems like a huge investment for forgotten movies. The SE made sense because it was an expertly marketed theatrical re-release of beloved films, mostly done on Fox's dime. For Disney to completely recreate 2 movies, one of which is entirely forgotten, doesn't seem likely.

The average fan is completely aware of the changes, and would buy the OOT in a heartbeat. The average person does not care, but unlike what TFN people would have you believe, not one person outside of that website dislikes the OUT, even if they for some reason prefer the SE. Like I said, is there really that huge of a market for the Lawrence of Arabia restoration, or the Batman series, or 4K Texas Chainsaw Massacre? If there's incentive to release the Batman TV show, then there is a market for the OUT, especially if they just put a modicum of advertising behind it. I didn't even know the GOUT existed until after 2010, although even if I did I wouldn't have bought it because it was a horrible quality release and no better than my old tapes/laserdiscs. 

What I'm saying is you could make the argument that there isn't a market for almost anything.

Well, look at the recent Batman TV series that was finally restored and released. Do you really think that there's more demand for that than the OUT? Is there really more demand for a 4K restoration of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre than the OUT? I'm not saying there's no demand for those things at all (I was thrilled when both were released), but I'm convinced we'll see Hell freeze over before seeing a blu ray release (a good one) of the OUT flop and not sell well.

imperialscum said:

Fang Zei said:

There's no way to market yet another version of the SE (without the OOT) that will get people to flock to the stores.

I think people on OT.com hugely misjudge the OOT's relevance to an average fan. There has been a very few of us who refused to buy Blu-Ray on the principle of having unwanted changes.

If they release another set with something "extra", I think fans will buy it just as they did 2004 and 2011 release.

I actually disagree with that. A lot of people (whether they care or not) are well aware of the Han Shot First thing; the SE is easily the most controversial alternate version of a film, except for maybe the colorized version of It's a Wonderful Life. The biggest complaint about the blu rays was the fact that it did not include the original versions, and that was mentioned in articles from a lot of news sources in their articles discussing the blu rays. Look at how much hype these rumors got over the summer about the OUT too. 

Fang Zei: I also agree with you, but knowing Lucasfilm, they're likely pretty out of touch with what the fans want. I do think that it'll be released before Ep. VII because they want to avoid any negative buzz as well as any questioning of Disney's ability to handle Star Wars, but I don't want to hold my breath. 

I'm kind of torn here. Absolutely right before episode VII would be the  best time to release the OUT, and it would hopefully build more hype for Episode VII (I for one won't be seeing it unless the OT is released and won't lose a wink of sleep over it), but that being said, they could also just release the 4K SE (if that's what it is) and then say "enhanced picture and sound!" and slap on some crappy behind the scenes thing for Episode VII and people would still flock to the stores to buy it and then they could cash in cheap on that, and then save the OUT for another time. I'm not sure. I'm pretty positive that it'll be released eventually because of money reasons, but they may want to cash in as much as possible too by having multiple releases. Who knows, I'm sure Disney has top men thinking about all possible marketing ideas.

Easterhay said:

I know what people were calling it back in the day; I was one of them. And now it's been re-titled.

The point is not that is was once called something else; the point is that some still call it that. It's a stupid intellectual argument to continue to call it something which it isn't. You may as well say that people "used" to say the world was flat.

 That's a horrible analogy (no offense intended). The world was never flat, people only thought that it was. Star Wars was titled and referred to as Star Wars for 20 years, so why should you decide that no one is allowed to call it that anymore just because it's now advertised as "A New Hope"?