I don't think Disney will waste money on changing anything else. I bet they'll just be the 2011 versions for the digital release. I do think that both the SE and the original versions will be released on disc before Ep. VII though
Unless I'm misunderstanding your question (which I most likely am), the edit you want sounds very subjective. I mean, what do you mean by problems? Do you mean problems like just general continuity errors in the movies themselves, such as Palpatine saying something about 1,000 years instead of generations? Do you want the boring or pointless scenes removed? Or, do you just want moments contradicting the Clone Wars series to be removed? Regardless of which, it's a very subjective project because things that might be considered problems for you may not be considered problems for the editor. Anyways, I'm not sure if you just want Clone Wars contradiction "problems" removed, or if you want a prequel edit that makes the movies watchable (i.e. The Phantom Edit), but still fits with the Clone Wars.
Ryan McAvoy said:
Just wanted to drop this wiki quote in here...
"A plot hole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline"
...so we can clear away some of the proverbial wheat from the proverbial chaff in this debate.
For example...
Rox64 said:
Another rare thing: what's the hole where the rebel fighters infiltrate the Death Star? That whole hole in the middle of the surface. What's its purpose?
...is something that isn't explained because it doesn't require explanation. Not something that "cannot be reconciled with any explanation". So it's not a plothole... or even a flaw either, although it could possibly fall into the category "could-have-been-done-better" on some abstract level.
I've never understood the whole, "Plothole! Why is there a hole in the Death Star?" argument. It's an exhaust port. You can't cover it up because that would defeat the purpose of an exhaust port. It never really bothered me
TV's Frink said:
imperialscum said:
What would have made the prequels better in your opinion?
I would have made the prequels better.
That's like saying my four-year-old daughter would have made the prequels better.
If a four-year-old made the prequels then they certainly wouldn't have been about intergalactic space trade blockade disputes
DJW said:
Ok I've been biting my tongue with you but can't anymore durawhatever "Do they call you anything besides STUPID ?"
Of Corse the books are still around but WHO WANTS TO READ THE SAME BOOKS OVER & OVER AGAIN you twit ? The EU story has ended and was erased and is DONE, FINISHED, OVER. Because that's what King George decided after taking the money from the books profit for years.
No Timothy Zahn "CAN NOT" wright more new books in the Star WARS EU galaxy ! There's a little thing called licensing "you have to have permission". If he dose it without permission his ass will be in court faster than a Manhattan minute trust me.
DUH REALLY !! Their Fiction ????? We all thought it was REAL . My God you really need to put the crack pipe down!!!!!!!!!
It dose mean a "goddamn thing" because as I said before the EU story as we knew it ended with out a end of some sorts, right in the middle of the story. The last Book the "Crucible by Troy Denning" left us hanging and that's how it will be, its DONE. Its like when they end a TV series without ending it, it sucks !! Will we live and move on "of course we will" but we still feel cheated after supporting them after all these years with our hard earned money & time.
Not sure how old you are durawhatever but maybe someday when you grow up you might just comprehend why it pisses us off. I've already moved on, but I just couldn't take the fu#$ing stupid shit you were saying anymore you dumb shit !!!
Hey Pancakes told you ! ;) Now I'm done and "I feel much better" LOL
I got my answer and I'm gone. I'm sure that makes durawhatever happy LMAO
What?
What does "corse" mean? Why are you saying "durawhatever" when his actual username is seen clear as day above every one of his comments? Why did you capitalize "Book" in paragraph number five? I'm really confused by all of this.
DuracellEnergizer said:
It you're willing to settle for a formerly-ostensibly-canon-thing-which-is-now-a-completely-non-canon-thing from the EU, then a year in the SW Galaxy is either ten months long or twelve months long (as one would expect from the EU, there's a lack of consistency).
I'm assuming all "years" are based on the Imperial definition of how long a year is, since a year is based on a planet revolving around its star and would depend on the planet assuming it works the same as earthly years. I would imagine there is some sort of official Republic or Empire time-keeping system in place
"But it's a whole nother year!" - Luke Starkiller 1977
RicOlie_2 said:
I haven't been around for a few days thanks to French homework. I had to analyze a poem in French, and was supposed to create explanations for two others, memorize another, and prepare to read another expressively (though I'm marked on how well I read them all). I was given a week to prepare all that, but it's finally over (though I didn't finish everything I was supposed to do :P). And at the same time, I was given seven pages of Science homework.
All of the above was in French, of course, which increases the difficulty somewhat....
Doing the above homework reminded me of the line in Groundhog Day about studying 19th century French poetry, as I was doing just that. :P Until six months ago I never would have considered that I would possibly be stuck doing such a thing....
I didn't take French in school. I took Spanish for four years and I think I know less now than when I started. And in the time since I finished school I've lost what little knowledge about the Spanish language I ever had. I've never had an ear for languages. I barely speak fluent English :p
NeverarGreat said:
imperialscum said:
moviefreakedmind said:
No, I'm confused as to whether you think that the original line was delivered too angrily or not. You seem to imply that the original line was delivered angrily, which I guess it was, but no more angrily than any other Vader line in the series (like "I find your lack of faith disturbing")
All other lines were delivered without any anger... with a sole exception "Tear this ship apart".
And this the best example of Vader... cool, intelligent, witty, sarcastic.
Of course this is speaking in general. As for why anger ESPECIALLY does not fit in that particular section of the film, please refer to this post and this post.
That's what makes the character of Vader so good; his mask hides much of his emotion, leaving that to the imagination. I imagined Vader being in an almost constant state of anger in ESB. For example, his delivery of "You have failed me for the last time" contains a slight pause between the last two words, like he's struggling to keep a steady voice through mounting rage. Likewise, not choking every officer on the bridge in the final scene may have been because he was too furious even to exact punishment, he simply retired to his meditation pod to scream his lungs out ;)
That's exactly how I interpreted it
imperialscum said:
moviefreakedmind said:
No, I'm confused as to whether you think that the original line was delivered too angrily or not. You seem to imply that the original line was delivered angrily, which I guess it was, but no more angrily than any other Vader line in the series (like "I find your lack of faith disturbing")
All other lines were delivered without any anger... with a sole exception "Tear this ship apart".
And this the best example of Vader... cool, intelligent, witty, sarcastic.
Of course this is speaking in general. As for why anger ESPECIALLY does not fit in that particular section of the film, please refer to this post and this post.
Cool? Witty? Sarcastic? Those are some of the last words I'd use to describe Vader as a whole. He always sounded very pissed off. He rarely shouted but always seemed intense and serious. Someone who chokes officers, usually to death, on a regular basis can hardly be described as "cool"
imperialscum said:
moviefreakedmind said:
I'm kind of confused, do you actually think that the "alert my stardestroyer blah blah blah" line is better than the OT version?
I thought I made it clear by now. Original line is better. However the way it is delivered (in angry fashion) ruins the section of the film and Vader's characterisation. Therefore, I will go with relatively lame "Alert my star destroyer..." over a super lame delivery of the original (otherwise decent) line.
No, I'm confused as to whether you think that the original line was delivered too angrily or not. You seem to imply that the original line was delivered angrily, which I guess it was, but no more angrily than any other Vader line in the series (like "I find your lack of faith disturbing")
imperialscum said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
BRING MY SHUTTLE!!! BRING MY GODDAMNED, MOTHERFUCKING SHUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is on the level of this.
I'm kind of confused, do you actually think that the "alert my stardestroyer blah blah blah" line is better than the OT version?
Anchorhead said:
I was actually closer to walking out on Return Of The Jedi, but didn't. It was also shockingly stupid and poorly written, but at least it had Luke. The rest was just a marketing tie-in and rehash of Star Wars. Lucas already had the writer's block he was about to unsuccessfully spend twenty years trying to overcome. ROTJ is where I said goodbye to the franchise.
That's interesting. I can definitely understand that, especially seeing it in a theatre with the expectation that it would be in the same league as its two predecessors. Since I grew up with Jedi and didn't come to the conclusion that it was lesser than the other two until I was in my early teens, I didn't have to live with the disappointment of seeing ROTJ as an adult with the expectation of it being an excellent conclusion to the trilogy.
DrCrowTStarwars said:
Why does everyone hate that woman? Even as a kid I didn't get it. I mean they refuse to put Toto on a leash and then he trespasses in her garden, digs it up, and bites her. The dog is clearly a danger to others and his owners refuse to train him or tie him up, what was she supposed to do besides going for the sheriff? As someone who has had a dog who was hard to train and has been attack by a dog that belonged to someone else I can tell you she did what she was supposed to do. Dorthy and her Aunt and Uncle were completely in the wrong, they do not have the right to destroy Gulch's property and in most states any dog that attacks people will be put down. This seems to have been a problem for a long time, Gulch wanted them to control their dog and they refused, what was she supposed to do if she didn't want to get attacked again?
I am sorry but going to the law to have a problem taken care of after you are attacked has never struck me as an act of pure evil, i just don't get how she is the bad guy.
I don't believe that she was attacked. I don't buy for one second that she was anything but a filthy liar.
imperialscum said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
You think "Alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival" is better than "Bring my shuttle", therefore your argument is invalid.
No I don't think that. Here is what I think:
Silence > "Bring my shuttle" > "Alert my star destroyer..." >>> "BRING MY SHUTTLE!"
Well, it's a good thing he didn't say "BRING MY SHUTTLE!" then
SilverWook said:
The best movie about killing witches and stealing their stuff ever! Good thing nobody in Oz will ever press charges.
The "it was all a dream, and you have a severe concussion" ending still ticks me off though. Even as a kid, I felt it was a cop out. (It's not a dream in the books.) Not to mention unless Miss Gulch died in the twister, she's going to be coming back for poor Toto...
Really? I always felt that it was left more ambiguous. Like no one believed her but she actually did go to Oz. I do hope that Miss Gulch died a horrible death by getting sucked into the tornado and Dorothy never had to deal with her again.
Frank your Majesty said:
I know that I'm harsh on it, but I just couldn't relate to the main characters acting foolishly. I guess I'm just not the type for supernatural mystery stuff, so I tried to rationalize what was happening and that took away the suspense.
Well, if I remember right, it was just one of the guys who was unhinged and hysterical and threw the map away in a fit of rage when he was alone, which led to the other two getting really pissed off at him. Also, as others have said, he was going a little crazy and was lost and terrified so I guess it's understandable.
Just saw Wizard of Oz in a theatre. Made me feel like a kid again
A kid at my niece's elementary school said that he only watches the original Star Wars on tape. Gave me faith in the young generation
Good Will Hunting - Really great, and I see why people view it with such high esteem. I should have watched it earlier in life.
Election - I think it is slightly forgotten, and going into it I had no idea how dark it would be, but it was great, and really funny and smart
FanFiltration said:
I never went to see "Return of the Sith" in a theater, but when I got a home video copy I turned it off about ten minutes into it. Does that count? I have never seen the entire thing. As far as movies I've walked out on in theaters, there is "Son of the Pink Panther", Robin Hood: Men in Tights", and "Man of Steel".
I would say that counts. I don't blame you for shutting it off. I wish there would've been a power failure in the theatre when I saw it so it would've ended.
DuracellEnergizer said:
I'd say it started with the SE and finalized with the PT, when George started pouring his revisionist "I had it all planned out from the beginning" Kool-Aid with gusto; far too many people drank it up uncritically and allowed it to poison their systems.
Sure, but that wasn't the case with Return of the Jedi though. And I also don't recall (although I was completely out of the loop at the time) anyone being called 'fake' fans for any negative reception for Phantom Menace back in 1999-2000. It seemed like a lot of the dumb BS about "true fans" didn't show up until maybe around the time Episode III came out, and that truly is something that you only see on the internet, thankfully.
Do you think it was caused by the completely arrogant claims from Lucas claiming that he planned everything for decades and had a "vision" coupled with the unhealthy cult-leader worship that TFN people had for him? It would make sense I guess since I don't think there were any "true vision" speeches back when Jedi came out, making it OK for people to dislike it.
Windexed said:
moviefreakedmind said:
Windexed said:
No, this was before it became communist China. But me trying to start a discussion, albeit tongue-in-cheek, quickly spiraled downward.
As someone who didn't make it out of the early 1990's until a few years ago (hell, I still have/use a VCR), I have no knowledge of what TFN was like before about 2012. Was it once a website worth visiting? When did it become a dystopian 1984 type place?
It was always pretty bad, it's just that the "group think" got worse over time. I'm sure the other guys here can give you a better timeline. Again, this was about 13 years ago, but I made a mild bathroom humor thread in the off topic forum. It was deleted and I was told that there was no room for "potty humor" or whathaveyou on the boards since it was geared towards being family friendly. My argument that there's poop jokes IN THE F'ING MOVIES fell on deaf ears.
Perhaps a better question would be when did Star Wars in general become some kind of all or nothing thing? Was it with the Special Editions, was it with the prequels? Regardless of which, why did it happen? I mean, I remember plenty of people just agreeing to disagree about whether or not Jedi was an acceptable movie, but now it's like there is no debate even allowed to be had.
SilverWook said:
A lot of us still own a VCR around here. It's when you walk the DVD aisle at a store, muttering and cursing there are no movies to buy on VHS anymore, that it's time for therapy. ;)
That's why I shop at thrift stores. 99c tapes
