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Baronlando said:

captainsolo said:

But he did say that both the claims of no negatives existing, or that they were conformed to the SE were pretty much bogus.

Nice to have some confirmation for a change isn't it? ;)

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/star-wars-the-digital-movie-collection.427154/page-8#post-12232532

 This seems like a pretty big deal to me, to have it stated unequivocally that the negative was not physically recut.

 Well, if there are copies of the negative that are "fine" then a nice, simple release of the OOT shouldn't be too difficult for the Mouse. Keep in mind I'm not talking about a restoration here, just a 1080p transfer of the original versions to be included in some kind of 2 disc edition that will cost an absurd amount of money. 

kk650 said:

I have to admit that things are not looking great for a UOT release this year IMHO, no mention whatsoever at the Celebration and I can't see Disney doing another Star Wars release so soon after these digital releases.

That answer where Disney says that 'there are no plans to release them at this time' is very worrying as well. Makes me wonder whether not releasing the UOT was part of the agreement when GL sold Lucasfilm to the mouse...

"No plans at this time" means that no announcement has been made. If I'd have asked them if they'd be releasing the movies digitally the day before they announced the digital release they would have told me the same thing.

I'm optimistic regarding the unaltered versions. The statement I was referring to doesn't strike me as shutting down any possibility of the OOT's release, unlike what the lovely Lynne Hale said back in 06

Fang Zei said:

Even if Disney was planning to announce an OOT on blu-ray tomorrow, the company line would still be "there are no plans at this time."

Indeed, it's nice to at least see them acknowledged.

Still anyone's guess as to whether it'll happen this year or if they'll wait until 2017 or until the entire ST is finished. It might even be some random time we're not expecting just so Kathleen Kennedy can show a good quarterly statement to the suits at Disney.

The fact that we're not getting BS jargon from Lucasfilm like we were in '06 gives me some faint glimmer of hope.

 Actually, I really appreciate this. They fully acknowledge them as the original versions (not simply unfinished rough cuts), they understand that the OOT is a part of their catalogue, they didn't mention a word about the creator's "True Vision". And keep in mind, this is only talking about DIGITAL releases

From what I gathered from it the new version's only major draw was that Han shoots first. I think that if it actually was the OOT through and through then that would have been what Faraci advertised. Also, his sources are too vague (which I completely understand given their risk of being fired if their anonymity should be destroyed) to be any more trustworthy than Bleeding Cool or Comicbook. Like I said, it was just a few months ago that he said that Fox wouldn't release the OOT as long as Lucas was alive, which is something that I'd refuse to believe unless the CEO of 20th Century Fox came out a gave a speech about it. Keep in mind that I'm not questioning Faraci's integrity here, I'm sure he is confident in his sources, I just haven't been impressed by his sources' track records regarding Star Wars.

My concern regarding a hybrid SE is that it would destroy a significant demand for the OOT. A lot of people who hate the SE would be willing to put up with everything else if only the "worst offenders" were removed. It'd be a cheap way for Disney to release a semi-original OT, which would be worse than the SE for me.  

All 3 of you raise valid points. I was just in a bit of a hopeless mood regarding Star Wars when I posted my doubts. I was thinking about the digital release and how it cements the SE on another medium, but now that I think about it, it would be a bit naive to think that the SE wouldn't continue to be marketed before the OOT even if the OOT was going to be released. I did also worry slightly about Devin Faraci's claims about a hybrid SE, because if they make a hybrid SE I definitely think that that would put any significant demand for the OOT to rest, other than people like us. Then I realized that Faraci realistically has no more concrete sources (probably less) than any of the other site such as Bleeding Cool or Comicbook who state that the OOT would be released in its original form. It was just a few months ago that Faraci stated that his "sources" at Fox claimed that Star Wars would never be released in its original version as long as Lucas was alive, even though just months before he had claimed that he was sure the OOT would be released. His new claims of the SE being changed essentially contradict everything his previous sources said, so his credibility regarding Star Wars is pretty much out the window as far as I'm concerned.

I have a feeling that they'll never release the OUT

SilverWook said:

Yet the actor whose Emperor voice was replaced in ESB will be there.

 Does anyone know if he (or people like him who were replaced) have attended these events before? It seems like something Lucas wouldn't have wanted. I mean, he's bound to get asked by someone how he feels about getting deleted from the movie

I really don't think that there's any reason to believe that the 3D's will ever see the light of day in an official release any time soon. I think they were finished with the prequels already and they just show them at these events just for the hell of it. After the failure of TPM in 3D I doubt that we'll see another concerted effort to release 3D Star Wars. 

SilverWook said:

I'm having trouble justifying the expense myself. If it was a yearly thing in the same location, then staying home when I'm only a couple hours away wouldn't bite so hard. :(

 Oh yeah, I live about a thousand miles away so that's definitely the main thing preventing my attendance. If I lived close then I'd probably spring for it too.

Frank your Majesty said:

So, one week to go. I won't be there but I had a look at the schedule. Restored Music from ESB and Secrets of the Cantina seem to be somewhat relevant to the OOT and there is still this one timeslot Coming Soon. Also, "there might be a forward-looking surprise". Could it possibly happen or am I just too optimistic?

 The surprise could be an OOT blu ray announcement I guess or maybe even a new TFA trailer, but forward-looking implies that its something pioneering, so it could potentially be the 4K thing. Or it could also be something completely boring that no one would even consider being excited about.

Sadly a trip to California is a bit (and by a bit I mean entirely) out of my budget at the moment so I'll just have to read about how much fun everyone else had at Celebration ;)

SilverWook said:

Refusing to see TFA isn't going to affect Disney's plans. And we don't know what Disney intends for the OOT. This digital release thing was a quick way for them to get the movies out there on a platform it hasn't been available through before, with a minimum of effort.

The picture will either be a lot clearer after Celebration next week or not.

I'm not naive enough to think that it actually would affect anything. I'm just being honest; I really have no desire to see TFA at the moment because without the OUT I really can't get excited about Star Wars. Also, to be clear, I don't think TFA will be bad or anything, and I'm sure that the excitement of watching the OUT on blu ray would get me hyped for TFA, but at the moment I just can't appreciate the Star Wars franchise as the treatment of the original films over the past 20 years has left me pretty sour to the whole thing. I'll hope for the best at Celebration.

skyjedi2005 said:

108 dollars before government taxes and fees is how much the collection is on fios.  For some new bonus features, no thanks!

No original cuts of the movies no ability to rent only the special features.  Sorry no sale.

I would pay 90 bucks just for the original cuts of the original trilogy, with no prequels and no bonus materials, limited to no cleanup.  As long as the films had their original audio mixes, the original colors and original effects. 

It is so insane  that the last release was done in 1993. 

Lucasfilm can rot until the oot is released.

Disney's unwillingness to release the theatrical versions  of the original trilogy is going to sour the experience for me going in to see the force awakens.

Though they will not care as they will have my money.  Unless i am willing to boycott a film i want to see.  

 So far though they haven't refused to release anything. I never would have expected them to debut the OOT for the first time in years over an online digital sale. 

Also, I'll only see TFA if there's an acceptable blu ray copy of the OOT sitting on my shelf. I really don't even want to see it that much anyway so me going would really just be more out of gratitude for an OOT release than anything.

I don't take Faraci too seriously, just last year he said that Fox owned Star Wars and that the OOT would never be released as long as Lucas was alive... According to his sources. I really don't view Faraci as any more or less reliable as ComicBook.com/BleedingCool.com - they're all based on the same unidentified and vague sources.

http://badassdigest.com/2014/08/16/why-i-doubt-disney-is-releasing-the-unaltered-star-wars-ot-on-blu/

I'm actually glad to hear that it hasn't changed. Like I said, them removing things from the SE to try and compromise for a cheap middle-ground version to satisfy both sides might mean that we would never get a true OOT.

IDK, this honestly worries me a bit if it's true because it could mean that Disney will just remove some of the more "annoying" changes and never actually release the OOT because it would be "good enough" for most fans to just have han shoot first. Sure it means that they don't respect George's SE, but if they're going to change the SE to please people aggravated by the changes then why would they go to that trouble if they were just going to release the OOT anyway?

IDK, as Faraci mentions in the article, he's been wrong before.

Fang Zei said:

generalfrevious said:

I feel like the last person alive who cares about saving the pre-97 trilogy. So to everyone else my rants are seen as nothing more than ridiculous, because no one else seems to care.

...I care...

But in all seriousness, I highly doubt that Disney would've bought the company without securing the rights to all versions of the films from George, in as much as Lucasfilm (not Fox) legally owns them. Now we can see they've worked out a deal with Fox to distribute the films digitally. It's the SE once again, yes, but if they were going to start selling the OOT there's no good reason they wouldn't wait until the next physical release to include it as a selling point.

Besides, as someone so eloquently phrased it in this thread, releasing a remastered OOT for the very first time in the form of a compressed download file would be the 2015 equivalent of the GOUT.

They're continuing the tradition with this digital release of using bonus materials as a selling point, continuing to keep the OOT in their back pocket. I'm now starting to doubt we'll see another release this year, if only because they'd be hurting their own sales of the just-released digital version. They may also be waiting to see how UHD ("4K") blu-ray shakes out before doing another physical release.

 Yes, exactly. Something so sought after as the OOT is not going to debut on HULU Plus. 

Generalfrevious: I think you also lose people with your insistence that Lucas is some kind of dictator who sends his SS officers to go and track down the remaining prints of the OT and then destroy them in the most over-the-top way possible. Most of us are pretty disgusted with him too, but you're trying to convince us all that he is Chairman Mao or something. Robert A. Harris himself has said that there is no reason to fear for the OOT materials themselves, and has said that a restoration wouldn't be terribly difficult. 

Although this disturbing footage was discovered a couple of years ago...             

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lykiNYpq5AI

Quick question: Since so many of the shots in the latter half of Jedi have blinking ewoks, will the entirety of all shots with ewoks in them be replaced with the HDTV 04 SE, or will the blu ray footage and the HDTV footage be integrated into the same shots with only certain parts of the frame being the HDTV?

generalfrevious said:

 I agree. Lucas is a pure sadist and I'm 100% certain that OOT clause is in that Disney contract. We'll have to spend the rest of our lives stuck with fan preservations until the end of time.

 The extremism in your posts are downright hilarious at this point. 

generalfrevious said:

Can we really trust a company that has censored Fantasia and still uses "dubtitles" on the Studio Ghibli films to bring us a properly restored OOT on Blu-Ray? They still haven't even released Song Of The South on any video format!

 Well, those were censored out of fear of offending people, so from the business perspective of a children oriented company I can understand (although I don't endorse) their decisions regarding Song of the South and Fantasia.

There's no reason to not release the OOT other than that they for some reason feel that it'd be a waste of time.

unamochilla2 said:

What I find really interesting is they aren't advertising this collection with episode numbers like they have in the past.  I guess they want to remain consistent with The Force Awakens marketing.

 This is what I find most exciting about these commercials.

That being said, the fact that these digital releases are the SEs doesn't worry me because I think that an OUT release will debut in some sort of box set, not online streaming. The new "bonus extras" are intriguing, I have no idea what that'll be.

It's getting pretty warm now that winter is over. It's been in the 40s/50s for the past week. There was one day a couple weeks ago that was like 85 degrees but it's been consistently around 50 for the most part.

Frank your Majesty said:

MrPib said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Now, here it says Lucas has final cut rights on Star Wars. Still, Disney would be stupid if these rights weren't included in the deal. Any idea how to find out who has these rights at the moment?

 I know not, Sire.  AFAIK, the details of the buyout haven't been given.

 So in other words, saying Lucas still has final cut rights is just as much speculation as saying Disney has them. We don't know for sure, this guy

http://furiousfanboys.com/2015/02/action-figures-confirm-a-digital-release-of-the-star-wars-saga/

doesn't know anything either and everyone spreads their own favorite scenario of what is going to happen.

 I personally speculate that Disney would not allow someone as notoriously difficult to work with regarding creative control as George Lucas to retain significant authority over such a valuable product. 

MrPib said:

TK-949 said:

Just 15 to 18 days until the official announcement that the OOT will be released.

The only rumor I've heard is that we'll get to stream the SEs:

http://furiousfanboys.com/2015/02/action-figures-confirm-a-digital-release-of-the-star-wars-saga/

I'll warn you, though, that the above is a completely obnoxious site.  Here's a nice quote from a piece linked from the above URL:

Just because the intellectual property changed hands from Lucasfilm to Disney, it doesn’t change the fact that Lucas maintains his cuts of the movies. Lucas doesn’t profit off of Star Wars anymore, but that doesn’t give Disney (or Fox who still owns the movies until 2020) any right to go in and chop up his movies to make a quick cash-grab off some jilted fans hopelessly clinging to nostalgia.

Yours truly,

Jilted & Hopeless

 Articles such as this annoy me because in reality this article has no more credibility than if you or I wrote an article raving about how the OUT will be released. These people at furiousfanboys have no knowledge about the situation at all, yet they write in a way that implies they have some understanding of the situation.

darth_ender said:

It would be a lot easier if I could just get back to Off Topic, which is continuously a challenge.  But rest assured, it will not be difficult to find how condescending you are when I've got the time to wrestle with this frustrating site.

Note that for some reason, once you're in a topic, it normally is okay.  It's trying to get to the various sub-forums where the greatest overall troubles seem to be.  Don't worry, you've got plenty of dirt that doesn't require much digging.

 I'll do it. By the way imperialscum, it only took a few moments to find these posts. I picked the first three pretentious and disrespectful posts I saw, and it didn't take long to find them, so I'm sure I missed many more loathsome comments that far surpass these three.

Imperialscum's 3 condescending posts:

#1- In response to Warbler's request to keep anti-theist comments out of his Christian thread - "I don't get it. I thought religion was supposed to something very personal. Why would one feel the need to display it like this? You made a thread to display your crap and at the same time you forbade people to debate or give feedback. This is an internet forum, not a parking lot in front of your house where you show off your new car."

#2 - In response to Post Praetorian's attempt to politely explain why Warbler's request was reasonable -"I am afraid "we" shall not try again. I give up on your inability to comprehend extremely simple stuff."

#3 - In response to RicOlie_2 after he stated that he agreed with Jetrell Fo regarding the validity of Warbler's request to keep anti-theist rhetoric out of his christian thread -

"Unfortunately for you, it seems you agree with with him when he is completely wrong."