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DominicCobb said:

Let me get this straight.

You guys think black people can’t have an opinion on this ESPN thing.

But when Frink says you guys can’t have an opinion on it, its bigotry.

Sounds reasonable.

No one said they couldn’t have an opinion. I just said that the opinion was unreasonable and ridiculous. Those aren’t the same things. You also completely ignored the part where I said there was no bigotry involved.

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I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.

Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.

All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.

Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.

ah the answer that justifies all bigotry towards white people.

There isn’t any bigotry toward anyone in this case. That’s the whole point.

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In other racial news…

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/15/espn-apology-fantasy-football-auction

Yikes. Great timing.

Is this really that big of a deal? They weren’t selling black people, they were doing a FANTASY auction of football players. It also included white players. According to the article you linked too, auctions are common in fantasy football.

"Auction drafts are a common part of fantasy football, and ESPN’s segments replicated an auction draft with a diverse slate of top professional football players. Without that context, we understand the optics could be portrayed as offensive, and we apologize,” ESPN said in a statement to USA TODAY Sports.

I’ve done Fantasy for many years now and this story proves that if someone does something as simple as taking something out of context, they’ll get offended real quick.

Just once I wish you guys could admit that maybe just maybe black people could have an issue with something that you guys don’t.

Just once I wish that you guys could admit that "maybe just maybe* just because some black people have an issue with something, doesn’t automatically make it a valid complaint.

Ok, good to know. Please be sure to let black people know each time what they are allowed to have an issue with, so they can stop making the same mistake of being offended.

*sigh*

Fact: People sometimes get offended at things that aren’t reasonable to be offended over.

Once again, thanks for clarifying that for black people. I’m sure they feel much better now.

Do disagree with the fact that I stated? Are you saying it never happens that someone gets offended at something that wasn’t reasonable to get offended at? That never happens???

If a black person says they are offended because Jack White won’t change his name to Jack Black, I wouldn’t consider that reasonable. If a black person says they are offended because an ESPN sketch includes something that is reminiscent of a slave auction, I’m not gonna argue. I get that it’s fantasy football (I play) and I get that white players were there too. It’s clear ESPN did not do it intentionally. But it looks bad and there’s no reason us white people should be lecturing black people for pointing that out.

I was not lecturing anyone. I was giving my opinion. White people are allowed to have opinions and say them.

Your opinion (and darthrush;s and mfm’s) is that black people should not be upset that something with at least tangential racial connotations happened. That’s a lecture, no matter how much you want to dress it up as opinion.

And this isn’t about what you are allowed to do, it’s about what you should (or in this case should not) do. You have the right to tell people to get over racial things. But you shouldn’t.

My opinion is that nobody should be upset about something with completely vague and indistinct connotations of something that happened over 150 years ago. Anyone upset about this fantasy football auction absolutely should get over it. Be upset at real problems, like Donald Trump refusing to single out white supremacists for criticism, or the mass incarceration of American citizens for nonviolent, victimless crimes.

There’s enough time to be upset at all of those things.

But I’m sure your opinion on this is appreciated by all the black people who don’t understand the issue the way you do.

I didn’t see this before I responded to the other one, but here’s the thing, nobody understands 19th century American slave auctions any better than historians that are well-versed on the subject. That’s because nobody who participated in or was victim of an American slave auction is still alive. Even the grandchildren of those people would have to be at least 100 years old. If we were talking about segregation or lynching, then that’s a completely different issue because there are tens of thousands of people today who lived through it, and many of the perpetrators are still living and were never brought to justice. It’s callous to say this, but it’s been 150 years. I’m not even saying, “Get over it,” or anything quite so blunt. I just don’t think it’s unreasonable to remind people that everybody that was directly affected by American slavery is long dead when people start getting outraged over things that everybody knows have nothing to do with racism, slavery, or anything of the sort, and this fantasy football thing is one of them.

EDIT: As for my point about the Donald Trump comments downplaying white supremacists and the mass incarceration of primarily black people that have committed victimless crimes that shouldn’t even be crimes in the first place, this kind of nonsense where people get bent out of shape about semantics that no one in their right mind would take offense to gets a lot of people to disregard the very real problems that blacks, mexicans, Indians, and other racial minorities face in the United States. When issues like this are touted as examples of America’s racism problem, people don’t take it seriously. I know I didn’t for that reason.

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Seriously guys, how fucking hard is it to just say “I can see how black people might be offended” and get over yourselves? Especially in light of what has happened over the past several days. Have an ounce of understanding.

This is my last post on this particular issue.

I can see how they might be offended, I just think it’s a really stupid, semantic thing to be offended by.

Live and Let Die it is. I think I’ll take this as an opportunity to rewatch all of the Moore Bond films in order. I was going to do that when he died but never got around to it.

GlastoEls said:

It’s all gone quiet in OOT Disney rumour-land.

Verta’s silent.

<Crickets chirping>

I have a feeling that Lucasfilm wasn’t interested. I remember some of his comments regarding a potential pitch, and while I don’t know where to find those or if I even have access to them anymore, it sounded to me like the way he framed his offer had less to do with Star Wars than it did some kind of proof of concept. If that’s how he framed it then I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t get any offers.

On another note, I want to watch a Bond film tonight. Any suggestions?

I’ll watch the first one that is suggested to me so long as it isn’t one of the weird Casino Royales or Never Say Never Again.

DominicCobb said:

Spectre was severely underrated, but I am really glad he’ll get a proper send off (part of that movie’s problem was it ultimately seemed caught between trying to set up the next film while also being his potentially last film - and so both of those obviously opposing elements suffered). Craig’s probably my favorite besides Connery so he deserves something great.

I thought Spectre was pretty good. I loved the action, most of the humor, and the performances, but the screenplay was pretty bad. It was no Skyfall, though.

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In other racial news…

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/15/espn-apology-fantasy-football-auction

Yikes. Great timing.

Is this really that big of a deal? They weren’t selling black people, they were doing a FANTASY auction of football players. It also included white players. According to the article you linked too, auctions are common in fantasy football.

"Auction drafts are a common part of fantasy football, and ESPN’s segments replicated an auction draft with a diverse slate of top professional football players. Without that context, we understand the optics could be portrayed as offensive, and we apologize,” ESPN said in a statement to USA TODAY Sports.

I’ve done Fantasy for many years now and this story proves that if someone does something as simple as taking something out of context, they’ll get offended real quick.

Just once I wish you guys could admit that maybe just maybe black people could have an issue with something that you guys don’t.

Just once I wish that you guys could admit that "maybe just maybe* just because some black people have an issue with something, doesn’t automatically make it a valid complaint.

Ok, good to know. Please be sure to let black people know each time what they are allowed to have an issue with, so they can stop making the same mistake of being offended.

*sigh*

Fact: People sometimes get offended at things that aren’t reasonable to be offended over.

Once again, thanks for clarifying that for black people. I’m sure they feel much better now.

Do disagree with the fact that I stated? Are you saying it never happens that someone gets offended at something that wasn’t reasonable to get offended at? That never happens???

If a black person says they are offended because Jack White won’t change his name to Jack Black, I wouldn’t consider that reasonable. If a black person says they are offended because an ESPN sketch includes something that is reminiscent of a slave auction, I’m not gonna argue. I get that it’s fantasy football (I play) and I get that white players were there too. It’s clear ESPN did not do it intentionally. But it looks bad and there’s no reason us white people should be lecturing black people for pointing that out.

I was not lecturing anyone. I was giving my opinion. White people are allowed to have opinions and say them.

Your opinion (and darthrush;s and mfm’s) is that black people should not be upset that something with at least tangential racial connotations happened. That’s a lecture, no matter how much you want to dress it up as opinion.

And this isn’t about what you are allowed to do, it’s about what you should (or in this case should not) do. You have the right to tell people to get over racial things. But you shouldn’t.

My opinion is that nobody should be upset about something with completely vague and indistinct connotations of something that happened over 150 years ago. Anyone upset about this fantasy football auction absolutely should get over it. Be upset at real problems, like Donald Trump refusing to single out white supremacists for criticism, or the mass incarceration of American citizens for nonviolent, victimless crimes.

TV’s Frink said:

darthrush said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

In other racial news…

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/15/espn-apology-fantasy-football-auction

Yikes. Great timing.

Is this really that big of a deal? They weren’t selling black people, they were doing a FANTASY auction of football players. It also included white players. According to the article you linked too, auctions are common in fantasy football.

"Auction drafts are a common part of fantasy football, and ESPN’s segments replicated an auction draft with a diverse slate of top professional football players. Without that context, we understand the optics could be portrayed as offensive, and we apologize,” ESPN said in a statement to USA TODAY Sports.

I’ve done Fantasy for many years now and this story proves that if someone does something as simple as taking something out of context, they’ll get offended real quick.

Just once I wish you guys could admit that maybe just maybe black people could have an issue with something that you guys don’t.

Not in that situation.

I’ll be back eventually.

You have to see someone face to face to hire them. It’s a way to make sure they aren’t socially inept if the job requires good social skills.

The United States is capable of annihilating an entire country without using nuclear weapons.

Possessed said:

Lol if I’m watching videos on a screen the size of my hand I could give a fuck less about the resolution.

Ha, that’s what I was thinking.

I was pretty depressed when I Youtuber that I knew deleted his channel. This was about seven years ago, and we actually interacted with each other a lot online. I did find him and reconnected with him just a year or two ago, though.

That is disappointing.

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For those that don’t like the term colorblind:

If I were the boss of a company looking to hire an accountant, what would be wrong in being colorblind in my choice?

reposting so it doesn’t get lost in the shuffle.

I like the term colorblind, but that’s a great example of why it’s important for everyone to be colorblind.

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It could have been some lower level manager. Could have also happened due to miscommunication between manager and employee.

Miscommunication, possibly, but even if it is a manager, he did it because he hates his job and doesn’t care. Nobody with any amount of care for their job, barring a severe mental handicap, would do that intentionally.

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and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

Was it conservative when it said gays have a Constitutional right to marry?

My understanding is that 1) conservatism values limited federal government; and 2) family law is traditionally left to the individual states. And therefore, if a state were to grant someone that right, the federal government would let them. What would be a federal issue is whether someone who is gay got married in one state but another state didn’t recognize it as legally legitimate.

I think what the Supreme Court said was states had to allow gay marriages. I think they said a state couldn’t ban gay marriage. I am pretty sure that is not Conservative. I also pretty sure Ferris would agree with me.

The father of the modern American conservative movement disagrees with you, so I guess conservatism is a pretty big tent after all.

Barry Goldwater is the father of modern American Conservative movement? What about Reagan?

Reagan was a Goldwater follower.

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yhwx said:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/10/16127968/fired-google-engineer-compares-high-paid-tech-job-to-soviet-forced-labor

Former Google engineer James Damore, who was fired for distributing a memo suggesting women are not biologically suited for certain types of work, is now branding himself as a brave truth teller. In what appears to be his new Twitter account, Damore can be seen wearing a shirt with the word “Goolag,” a play on “Google” that means to suggest the Silicon Valley search company is something like the infamous Soviet camps where prisoners were worked and starved to death as part of one of the 20th century’s worst genocides.

Google, which provides free meals, massages, and fitness classes at its Mountain View, California headquarters, pays engineers like Damore a typical salary of $162,000, according to Glassdoor, not including extra compensation like healthcare benefits, retirement savings, and equity. The company also offers its employees training opportunities, including volunteer sessions on subjects like diversity and unconscious bias.

You know, just like a Gulag.

What an ass. I doubt his 15 minutes of online fame is going to pay as well.

While I have lost all respect for this guy, people sometimes refer to overbearing people in authority as nazis, without literally meaning that they are the same as people that murdered 6 million innocent people.

Any educated person ought to know the historical baggage that comes with invoking such things. Except for Jeffery Lord, who just lost his cushy CNN job for using a Nazi salute in a tweet, and now this jerk who apparently thinks this t shirt is funny.

It can work if it’s in a purely humorous way, like the Soup Nazi or something like that. These people are obviously trying to make political comparisons.

Going to get really awkward if he bumps into someone of Russian descent while wearing that shirt.

He’s doing it to get money and support from right-wingers and the alt-right. He’s taking donations from them.

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and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

Was it conservative when it said gays have a Constitutional right to marry?

That was secular conservativism at its finest. Most conservatives in the United States aren’t secular, though

Owning a gun also has nothing to do with entertainment. Wanting to shoot some kind of huge, awesome gun at targets at a range (a perfectly acceptable form of entertainment) is different from owning one.

They’re both horrible for different reasons.

This guy that I hate from work was talking to me and he brought up Star Wars and how he and his friends watched the Phantom Menace and were going to watch the other two prequels this weekend, to which I responded, “Why?” He said that the prequels are really bad and they’re hilarious to make fun of. I don’t know where this confusion comes from. The prequels are boring. They aren’t even all that bad in a Plan Nine way either. They’re just really, really boring.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

That’s a very favorable description of Hillary. She was a horrible candidate. There are plenty of people who hate Trump that hated Hillary. Trump can be horrible, but you can’t treat people that saw the 2016 election as a contest between two hideously intolerable candidates (in different ways and to different extents, I know) as though they’re simpletons that watched too many Alex Jones videos. Trump’s victory is almost entirely to blame on Hillary.

Yes, but that doesn’t explain his victory in the Republican primaries.

Most Republicans being full of shit and not caring about and knowing nothing about their religion explains that.