I think he stood out as so bad in the first two seasons because a poorly written kid character is much worse than a poorly written adult character. Troi was arguably as poorly written as Wesley, if not worse, especially in Encounter at Farpoint, but she was infinitely less irritating.
What’s the general consensus on Wesley Crusher here? Was he irredeemably horrible or just poorly written most of the time. He doesn’t bother me at all in episodes like First Duty and Coming of Age, but his good episodes are so few and far between.
He was fantastic in The Guild.
Take it to Wil’s Wheaton thread.
The point is that you think it’s getting worse and worse. Which is funny. Because black people would probably say what is getting worse and worse is the police killing them. But you know, protesting during the anthem is the real problem.
I think both are a problem. Obviously the wrongful killing of African Americans is a more serious problem. This does not mean that people protesting the anthem is not a problem.
It isn’t.
In your opinion.
I hate to sound like someone we all can’t stand, but you’re denying the truth here. Protesting during the anthem isn’t a protest of the anthem. Staging a protest on SNL isn’t a protest of SNL. Marching though the streets isn’t a protest of municipal infrastructure.
I’d be interested in hearing ric_olie_2’s take on the incident.
He might think that SNL is an inappropriate venue for such a statement. I personally think it’s one of the most beautiful and stunning protests ever done by a musician.
I don’t think I’d call it beautiful.
It was a bold, brave, and beautiful action by a bold, brave, and beautiful woman. She timed and planned it all perfectly so that the producers wouldn’t expect it and would be unable to cut it because it was live, and she pulled out the picture as she sang the final lyric, “Evil”. And who could forget, “Fight the real enemy!” It gives me the chills every time I see it. She was so ahead of her time with it too.
What’s the general consensus on Wesley Crusher here? Was he irredeemably horrible or just poorly written most of the time. He doesn’t bother me at all in episodes like First Duty and Coming of Age, but his good episodes are so few and far between.
Marty and Doc traveled through time in a (mostly) controlled fashion.
Spock and Nero went through a Black Hole. No telling where or when you’ll end up. And Nero arrived years before Spock.
Black Holes only lead to different parts of the same timeline.
ChainsawAsh said:
But everything official about ST09 says that the Kelvin timeline is a separate entity that exists alongside the prime timeline, and it’s somewhat exasperating to me that you espouse strict adherence to official canon on the one hand while blatantly ignoring official canon in favor of your personal interpretation on the other (albeit for a different fictional universe).
LOL! This is so true.
He says in that scene that they created an alternate 1985 and can’t go back to the original timeline without undoing the very creation of the alternate timeline.
Why can’t you, if both timelines exist?
Because they have a time machine, not a universe-hopping machine. They’re stuck in a particular timeline, and if they create a divergent one, they get stuck in the new one until they can undo what caused the creation of the new one. If they had a portal gun like Rick from Rick and Morty, they could just say “Ah, fuck it, too much work” and hop back to the original timeline.
Think of it like train tracks. When they create a divergence, they create a switch on the tracks to a new railway, but they don’t have the tools to simply move the switch back to the original railway to get back to it. They have to dismantle the switch altogether, which means going back slightly further than the creation of the switch and preventing its creation.
Another fun thing to think about: they’re not even trying to go back to the original timeline, since Marty created a new one in BTTF1 when he went back to 1955 and got hit by the car instead of his dad. The timeline created in BTTF2 is actually the third timeline. They’re trying to get back to the second timeline. Which raises the ethical question of, what about the original timeline? Do that version of Marty’s parents think their son went missing/was kidnapped by Lybian nationalists? And what happened to the Marty from timeline 2, the one who remembers growing up with his “fixed” parents? When he went back, did he change something else and wind up coming back to a fourth timeline? Did he get stuck in 1955 while timeline 1 Marty got to go back to the future? Is there a timeline where two, or three, or four Martys show up on 1955 Doc’s doorstep?
none of that makes sense to me. It makes more sense if there is just one timeline that just gets altered over and over again.
Really? None of that makes sense to you? As in 0% of it makes sense to you? That was explained excellently.
The point is that you think it’s getting worse and worse. Which is funny. Because black people would probably say what is getting worse and worse is the police killing them. But you know, protesting during the anthem is the real problem.
I think that in hindsight people will be more forgiving of the anthem protestors. Everyone was about equally furious at Sinéad for tearing up the pope’s picture on SNL but I think now every rational person on earth would say she at the very least had a point.
It’s possible and I hope you’re right, but institutional racism is unfortunately something a large number of people will never ever admit is a problem.
Maybe, but I’m talking like 25 years down the line. At the very least, people who aren’t intensely denouncing the athletes but still are frustrated will get it a little more.
I’d be interested in hearing ric_olie_2’s take on the incident.
He might think that SNL is an inappropriate venue for such a statement. I personally think it’s one of the most beautiful and stunning protests ever done by a musician.
That was literally the whole point of her tearing up the photo, but no one listened to her because everyone loved the Pope.
THIS! Brother got it right and beat me to it. Way to make me redundant!
Where pedophilia scandals being discovered back when she tore up the picture? I don’t remember the pedophilia scandal being all that big at that point in time.
It hadn’t blown up yet. Now that we know about it, most people agree that it was a bold and awesome move of her. And she took a huge risk that damaged her really promising career as a rock star and songwriter.
Digital = new = better. DNR and motion smoothing cater to that mindset. While on the other side of the coin you have those who don’t even understand what Blu-ray means. So if anyone’s expecting the people that made the last few Star Wars home releases top sellers to care about the theatrical cuts being released, they’re probably kidding themselves.
DNR and motion smoothing was mostly a problem with older blu-rays, and not quite so much anymore.
EDIT: Looks like Fang beat me to it.
Did anyone else have the problem when you were a kid of your older siblings tickling you to the point where you couldn’t even fucking breathe?
I remember this happening to me a lot when I was little and am unsure of how common it is. I’d honestly rather have been beaten up.
My dad used to do that when I was little. My Mom put her foot down when it got out of hand.
My dad did it to me a couple times but I remember older siblings doing it the most and it made me feel like I was suffocating to death. No one intervened and it was like torture. I have a feeling they and your dad and other people that do it don’t realize how painfully miserable it can make a kid.
That the higher ups, including the pope, of the Catholic Church were as much to blame for the pedophilia scandals as the child-molesting priests because they covered it up for so long.
Warbler said:
. . . maybe I am in error.
Maybe?
The point is that you think it’s getting worse and worse. Which is funny. Because black people would probably say what is getting worse and worse is the police killing them. But you know, protesting during the anthem is the real problem.
I think that in hindsight people will be more forgiving of the anthem protestors. Everyone was about equally furious at Sinéad for tearing up the pope’s picture on SNL but I think now every rational person on earth would say she at the very least had a point.
To some the Confederate flag is about heritage, not hate. Not saying they are right, but that is how some feel.
The heritage canard gets thrown around for more than just the Confederate flag.
Asked about the pin he was wearing during the interview, Fears said “it’s basically just like an SS thing.” Explaining the significance of the pin would require an extensive conversation about World War II, he said. “And it’s my heritage, I’m German.”
Yup, just heritage. Nothing to see here. The fact that they single out the most racist possible symbols of that heritage is just a coincidence I’m sure. The Nascar folks were evenly split between the Confederate flag and William Faulkner to represent Southern heritage, and just randomly picked the flag with a coin toss, I’m sure.
I see your point, but the Confederacy and Nazi Germany are a false equivalence.
Did anyone else have the problem when you were a kid of your older siblings tickling you to the point where you couldn’t even fucking breathe?
I remember this happening to me a lot when I was little and am unsure of how common it is. I’d honestly rather have been beaten up.
Well, the general public isn’t likely to possess specialist knowledge.
They aren’t likely to possess any knowledge.
No, since the purpose of that picture was not to inflame.
the purpose didn’t seem to matter before.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Posting relevant images that include the Confederate or Nazi or whatever flags isn’t a problem.
I don’t know how you couldn’t what I am talking about.
I certainly couldn’t what you were talking about.
God that freaked me out too.
I love violence.
Where do you rank snorting spray-paint?
My favorite RPG is Super Mario Legend of the Seven Stars.
I loved that. Only played it once. I think I’ll give it another go soon.
(That is, if I can ever stop playing Zelda: Best Of The Worst)
I’m not sure if people are missing this joke or not, but I get it!