moviefreakedmind

ZkinandBonez said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Hardcore Legend said:

People saying Vader was fan service in RO: wasn’t he originally supposed to have all of Tarkin’s scenes before they gave the go-ahead for the CGI? I think he originally had a much larger role.

Plus, I think he fit just fine in the film. I actually think, unlike the ST, RO gets better with each viewing.

His appearance in itself wouldn’t be fan service if he did something of value to the plot. Mon Mothma and Jimmy Smits weren’t fan service. They had a tangible purpose in the film. I’d have much preferred Vader to the cartoon Tarkin though. His lightsaber battle actually might have been better had he been built up in the film itself and not just thrown in there under the assumption that he’s the most badassest villain in the galaxy.

You could argue that RO has a little bonus 4th act after the death of the new main characters to bridge the film to ANH. And the final Vader scene does add an extra obstacle at the very end when you think the battle is won. Sure, it’s hardly detrimental to the final film, but it does allow RO to end with a burst of action and suspense after the main story has been wrapped up. SW movies can’t just be movies anymore, there’s too much lore. If the escape of the Tantive IV had been omitted I’m sure people would have complained about that too.

They could have and should have shown Leia’s ship escaping without the cheap thrills of Darth Vader and his lightsaber but it wouldn’t have included the “lore” of Darth Vader using his lightsaber. The “lore” you refer to is mostly just iconic images that have to be included on screen. The lore of Star Wars in the literal sense of the word would be the stuff you get in the cartoons and novels.

As for it ending on a burst of action, I think that shows how week the main cast of characters was. If this is supposed to hold up as a stand alone movie (and I see a lot of people claiming that this is a good way to introduce new people to the franchise, even before watching the OT), then why would it need a pointless burst of action after our loveable cast has made the ultimate sacrifice and has died in an admittedly beautiful shot of the Death Star annihilating their spot on the planet? If their deaths are so impactful, doesn’t a burst of action from a character with no clear bearing on the plot attacking faceless characters that aren’t even that sympathetic diminish that ending? Also keep in mind that if someone had never seen the OT, Vader and CGI Carrie Fisher would mean nothing to them since the excitement we were supposed to gain from their appearances is based solely on their iconic status from the original films.

I completely forgot this isn’t even the RO thread. Sorry, I’ll be done now.

TV’s Frink said:

I thought it might bring you some joy when people who root for the US are sad.

No because at least the Olympics are a competition of the world’s best athletes and you can at least say that you like the country you’re rooting for. Even if you like the city your team is based in, it’s still just a collection of athletes from elsewhere that the city’s team has hired. I like it when die-hard fans that enjoy taking pride in other people’s accomplishments get cut down a bit. I especially hate it when people refer to their teams as “we”, as though they have anything to do with the team. The fans’ hostility toward the kneeling athletes also pisses me off lately. My irritation is all about the fans, not the sports themselves.

rodneyfaile said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m shocked that anyone could ever sit through the entire Holiday Special. I think I might have made it through five or ten minutes at the most.

I watch it on YouTube all the time. Bea Arthur is great. It’s definitely better than the prequels and special editions. No, that’s not hyperbole. There is nothing in the Holiday Special worse than jar-jar or that Jedi rocks musical crap.

No, it’s not better than the prequels or SEs. The Holiday Special is a million times more boring and even more insulting than anything to appear in any of the Star Wars films in any of their versions. Bea Arthur is great because she’s Bea Arthur and she elevates anything, but that’s only about 1 percent of the whole two hour special.

I’m shocked that anyone could ever sit through the entire Holiday Special. I think I might have made it through five or ten minutes at the most.

The Republican Party deserves to be blamed for a lot of things. It’s been so destructive for so long that I’m never going to be shedding any tears over how “mean” the media is being to it.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

So why are you guys fans of these teams? Do you like the uniforms? Is there a sense of pride in having a connection to the city in which the stadium is located?

Connection to the city in which the stadium is located. People that live in my area cheer for the Philly teams. It should be illegal to choose to become a fan of a team because you like their uniforms.

What’s so different about that? At least if you like the uniforms then there’s personal taste there. You don’t choose where you’re born.

You may not choose where you’re home town is still you’re home town. When you watch the Olympics do you cheer for team USA or the country whose colors you like the best?

I can pretty much guarantee mfm does not watch the Olympics and he actively roots against the US at the same time.

Lol, right on. Except I don’t root against the US, I just have no interest in the games.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

So why are you guys fans of these teams? Do you like the uniforms? Is there a sense of pride in having a connection to the city in which the stadium is located?

Connection to the city in which the stadium is located. People that live in my area cheer for the Philly teams. It should be illegal to choose to become a fan of a team because you like their uniforms.

What’s so different about that? At least if you like the uniforms then there’s personal taste there. You don’t choose where you’re born.

You may not choose where you’re home town is still you’re home town. When you watch the Olympics do you cheer for team USA or the country whose colors you like the best?

Neither.

Hardcore Legend said:

People saying Vader was fan service in RO: wasn’t he originally supposed to have all of Tarkin’s scenes before they gave the go-ahead for the CGI? I think he originally had a much larger role.

Plus, I think he fit just fine in the film. I actually think, unlike the ST, RO gets better with each viewing.

His appearance in itself wouldn’t be fan service if he did something of value to the plot. Mon Mothma and Jimmy Smits weren’t fan service. They had a tangible purpose in the film. I’d have much preferred Vader to the cartoon Tarkin though. His lightsaber battle actually might have been better had he been built up in the film itself and not just thrown in there under the assumption that he’s the most badassest villain in the galaxy.

ray_afraid said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Reliance MediaWorks said they restored the trilogy in 4k. Nothing was ever confirmed, denied, or released.

Mike Verta use some of the Reliance footage in a “Reality Check” video. It looked awful. Especially compared to his work on Legacy.

I remember the color correction looking slightly different than his in three one-second-long, low-resolution clips. I wouldn’t call that awful. Also, unless Mike Verta’s restoration is released in a format that I can see, then I can’t consider it any better than any other restoration. If no one can see it, then it might as well not exist. That’s how I feel about Reliance and that’s how I feel about Legacy.

Reliance MediaWorks said they restored the trilogy in 4k. Nothing was ever confirmed, denied, or released.

Handman said:

Jeebus said:

Handman said:

Somehow it was my fault they were being obnoxious.

I feel like there’s a lot more to this story.

I asked why they had to do that because I was trying to watch the movie, they answered, “Why do you care?”.

People like that shouldn’t be allowed out in public.

For humanitarian reasons alone, DACA’s preservation is worth shutting the government down over.

I hate myself but also get that learning to live with yourself is the only way to feel any real happiness. I don’t try to learn to live with myself because I don’t care anymore, but if you’re interested in bettering your quality of life then it’s something you should look into.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

So why are you guys fans of these teams? Do you like the uniforms? Is there a sense of pride in having a connection to the city in which the stadium is located?

Connection to the city in which the stadium is located. People that live in my area cheer for the Philly teams. It should be illegal to choose to become a fan of a team because you like their uniforms.

What’s so different about that? At least if you like the uniforms then there’s personal taste there. You don’t choose where you’re born.

Why not fight in ANH then? He could’ve got to the plans before Leia sent then away with R2. I normally wouldn’t nitpick the point because obviously a fight like that wouldn’t have worked in 1977, but so many people are claiming that R1 is a fluid lead-in to the OT that it’s worth mentioning. As for the dogfight, he’s the best starpilot in the galaxy and the Death Star was about to be blown up just before it could destroy the rebellion.

EDIT: It was just an excuse to get a Vader lightsaber scene in the movie.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

I think it would’ve been perfect for Vader’s one and only appearance in RO to have been him emerging from the shadows and mercilessly killing a dozen rebels.

Perfect other than being completely out of character. He never does that in the OT. He’s not a soldier, why risk his life that way? And why not do it five minutes later when they actually board the ship in ANH?

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The amount of people with phones that are rude and spend all their time fucking around with stupid shit on their devices is a lot more than “some”.

Well yeah no shit but once again it’s not the phone’s fault it’s the dumbass who is holding the phone.

Smartphones amplify people’s stupidity.

So why are you guys fans of these teams? Do you like the uniforms? Is there a sense of pride in having a connection to the city in which the stadium is located?

Collipso said:

I don’t think that criticizing Rogue One for fan service is fair. It’s not as if it could get away without using X-Wings and TIE Fighters.

I think that’s a problem with Star Wars as a franchise. It was always at it’s core just a trilogy of good movies. It isn’t a vast universe and the fact that they can’t “get away without” the original imagery as its selling point is a prime example of that.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

On the sigh thing, you didn’t explain till later.

You really couldn’t understand that this:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

If only it were possible for all teams to lose all of their games, then everyone would be disappointed. That’d sure make me happy.

?

was an attempt at asking for an explanation as to why all teams losing and everyone being disappointed would make you happy?

My post was so self-explanatory that I didn’t think it needed explanation. I obviously was expressing distaste for sports fandoms.

The amount of people with phones that are rude and spend all their time fucking around with stupid shit on their devices is a lot more than “some”. Way to go Handman. Keep up the smartphone fast.

How about everybody calls it whatever they want because no one cares and it doesn’t matter. The most you’ll ever have to do is clarify a little bit if someone doesn’t get it.

I was telling a goddamned joke.

Edit: about the Celtics that is. On the sigh thing, you didn’t explain till later.

You’ll have to learn to live with yourself.

Hardcore Legend said:

This film will be good. It will feature Chewbacca. It will feature the Falcon. It will feature the Empire. It will have Jabba in it. . . .

It has a lot of ‘Star Wars’ things in it . . .

This is the stuff that doesn’t win me over. I don’t care if iconic Star Wars imagery appears on screen. It’s meaningless to me. To me, Jabba was just a threat that motivated Han to stay on the move and help Obi Wan and Luke. To me, Stormtroopers are just the imperial footsoldiers. To me, the Falcon was just the ship that functioned better than you’d think at first glance and it got Han and Lando safely through many battles. If I want to see movies with those things in them, I’ll watch the OT. And by the way, the OT isn’t something that is good because of any of those iconic sets, puppets, costumes and images. The OT’s greatness is much less superficial than that. I think this is why Rogue One brought me no excitement. I just don’t care about seeing all these old things showing up in new movies.