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#1406356
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

And I’d probably interpret it different if it wasn’t taking place in an archetype-heavy melodrama, to be fair.

Melodrama?

-Farm kid rescues princess from Space-Nazis and blows up their moon-sized superlaser.
-Farm kid is actually the son of Space Himmler
-Princess is farm kid’s long-lost twin sister, separated at birth.
-Space Himmler is actually a prophesied Jesus-figure destined to save the galaxy
-Space Himmler kills Space Hitler to save his son
-Space Himmler succumbs to a forbidden love with a former queen

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

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#1406342
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

Their romantic relationship in TFA gives me the vibes of “predatory guy eventually may weaken female until she falls for him” but she resists and kicks his ass, while at the same time maybe “protesting too much.”

Personally, I always saw that as “schoolyard bully trying to pick on another kid, but underestimates how tough they are.”

In TLJ Rey’s passionate hatred gives way to compassion and a naïve sense of being able to fix him while Kylo feels like he can pursue his deep, needy desires for her through manipulation. They each make themselves vulnerable to the other before Rey rejects his hand.

My read on that wasn’t that they were romantically interested in one another. I saw it as Rey felt abandoned by her parents; Kylo felt abandoned by his. Luke failed them both. It was two people feeling completely alone, bonding with someone who had had a similar experience. Honestly, I didn’t interpret their emotional states as even being capable of romance at that point, let alone of feeling romantically towards one another.

In TROS they each redouble their outer shells to protect their vulnerability and feelings for the other, fighting and fighting until they eventually give in.

I just thought that was them still wanting to be friends, but not thinking the other person would ever see their perspective. “If you’re not with me, you’re my enemy.”

And then they kissed.

I’m definitely not saying your interpretation was wrong, but hopefully you can see why other people were a bit blindsided by them kissing in the end. I do agree that romance has always been in the fabric of Star Wars, right down to John Williams’s lush, romantic score. I just don’t think it was developed at all in the Sequels, or at least, not developed very clearly.

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#1406337
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Chewies medal is explained because Leia is holding it as she dies in this edit. Therefore, it represents both Leia and Han for him (the medal belonged to Han originally)

I get that she’s holding it in a few frames, but…so what? Han didn’t care about the medal; no one cared after they were handed out - they were never seen or mentioned again. Chewie hasn’t been moaning this entire time about being left out. Chewie didn’t care about the medal, Han didn’t care about the medal. Why would the audience? (Outside of the fact that “How could Leia forget Chewie?! He was sitting in the Falcon when Han flew it back to the Death Star!”)

If they wanted to give Chewie something to remember Han by, how about Han’s blaster? How about the dice? How about giving him the Falcon instead of Rey? Heck, the Falcon was where Han and Leia first kissed, so it “represents both Leia and Han” too. Give Chewie something that represents him and Han and their relationship; or at least something that the audience is emotionally invested in.

It was lazy fan service in a movie that was already overstuffed with it.

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#1406247
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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rik said:

Regarding Kylo and Rey kiss, someone find this a little bit cringe? Is there a way to fix it or cut it, in your opinion?

I also find it awkward; but I think Hal said he’s fine with it, and he’s the boss, so… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That being said, I’ve always found that Chewie getting the medal in the ending takes me right out of the movie. They definitely put that in because of the meme, not because it was beneficial to the story or character. Thoughts on that?

And Billy Dee’s interaction with Jannah also feels really creepy to me. But maybe I just find the whole ending really cringey.

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#1405764
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new holistic approach inspired by the Mandalorian [SEVENTEEN EPISODES RELEASED (+watchlist for the remainder)]
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For Nightsisters, what would people think of adding “Massacre” as the grand finale? I know it’s technically/chronologically considered a separate story; but I felt during my recent rewatch that thematically, it’s tied very closely to the main “trilogy.” It definitely feels more connected to the main Nightsisters arc than to “Bounty” (which comes next, according to the official guide). Adding it to this story would make it more of a finale for this chapter in Ventress’s life, and it allows for more time for her to move on before we see her next in her new role.

That being said, that would make this the first four-part adaptation in your series, correct? Is it too early in the show to be making episodes that are that long?

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#1405066
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Movies Remastered said:

Ok cool. I took about 9 hours on this shot. Adding more effected really looked fan edity in places, where as others looked great. I think it’s a job of just finding the sweet spot. I’ll work on the particles next and see if it balances out a bit.

I think it’s because the lightsaber is such a light, icy blue color, it causes the flickering colors to blend more together. And we’re in daylight here, which doesn’t help. Compared to Kylo’s red saber, the red feels more distinct against the white. You’re right, it’s just hitting that sweet spot.

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#1404989
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Movies Remastered said:

Rey’s training Crackling Saber Scene. I haven’t added the particle layers yet but let me know if you spot any imperfections. For some reason my computer glitches on playback so if anyone can think of how to fix this please let me know? I’ve cleared RAM, HD space, and Cache but still glitches.

https://youtu.be/co2xtsuFO-c

Looks good to me! If anything, I’d want the effect to be even more pronounced; but I’m sure that will happen when you add the extra particle layers. I’m so glad we’re finally getting some degree of continuity between the saber breaking in the last movie, and it being a “patch job” in this one. Plus, the symbolism of her slipping more to the Dark Side like Kylo… just amazing.

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#1404986
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new holistic approach inspired by the Mandalorian [SEVENTEEN EPISODES RELEASED (+watchlist for the remainder)]
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Been a bit busy lately and haven’t had time to watch any more yet, but I love the idea of how you’re restructuring “The 501st”! My guess would be to include at least part of the first training session, and then do the second later on. It may run a little longer, but I feel like that will be better context for the audience. Rather than just watching and thinking, “Well, they say they’re bad, but they can’t be that bad, right? Oh no, they actually are,” if we start with them messing up, it adds legitimacy to their in-fighting. Classic “show-don’t-tell” mentality.

If you’re trying to cut down on Act 1 more, perhaps just cut the scene with Lama Su entirely? It’s more important for the context of the war at large (“Wowzers, we’re sure making a lot of clones!”) than for anything pertaining to the actual Domino Squad, since clearly they’re not deficient.

Seriously can’t wait to watch it!

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#1402907
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new holistic approach inspired by the Mandalorian [SEVENTEEN EPISODES RELEASED (+watchlist for the remainder)]
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EddieDean said:

Flashbacks are valid. I’d probably rather go with bookending a whole episode rather than finding reference elements to flash back from (since that’s quite radical for Star Wars). But I think I’ll get my teeth in to the edit, and properly load the content into my brain, then see what options that gives us.

That seems like a good compromise. The tricky thing about doing a flashback-“Hevy” episode (couldn’t resist) is that it can easily send the episode’s pacing to hell if you’re not careful. I think the important scenes to include would be one of the Hevy/99 scenes - they’re the emotional core of the episode, and we should set up for 99’s turn in ARC Troopers - and at least one scene to set up Fives and Echo - our main Clones going forward in the series. It’s definitely going to be a trickier episode to edit, but I’m sure you’ll do a fantastic job with it, however you structure it!

That being said, I wouldn’t worry too much about doing things that are “radical for Star Wars,” especially if you only experiment with it in one episode of the series. It’s also pretty radical to have a 3D animated Star Wars show, or an arc built entirely on a group of droids being led by a frog. The important thing is what will best serve the story you’re telling! (And that being said, if you think the best route is to stick with a more “typical” Star Wars structure, that’s valid too!)

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#1402903
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new holistic approach inspired by the Mandalorian [SEVENTEEN EPISODES RELEASED (+watchlist for the remainder)]
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Knight of Kalee said:

Moving the Darth Maul cold open to the end of S1 not only would be confusing from a timeline viewpoint, but also because the Nightsisters arc already ends with a pretty unambiguous Maul tease.

In fairness, even though I suggested putting Maul at the end of the season, that depends a lot on how Eddie redoes the Nightsisters arc. Personally, I feel like it would be interesting to cut Mother Talzin’s advice to Savage of “Go find your brother. His face is red” (maybe pushing that scene to the later “Return of Maul” episode). Instead, focus more on the Ventress side of things; then, at the end, after the Nightsisters are done, put in the Death Watch/Maul tease. Then, it would be, “Whoa, Death Watch is back! And Savage! So this is where he wound up after fleeing from Dooku! Wait, who’s that with him? Oh no, this can’t be good…”

But again, it all depends on what Eddie’s plans are for Nightsisters. Personally, I can’t wait to see it!

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#1402599
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Movies Remastered said:

It’s just after the Ben and Han scene. It fits perfectly. I’m just waiting on some 4k footage to see if it improves.

Does it look blurry to you in that clip? It’s from 1080p blu-ray but just looks off to me.

I love that concept - can’t wait to see it in context! But yeah, I do think the shot looks a little blurry. Especially with a planet like Coruscant, where the planet itself has a lot of distinctive, fine-line details and colors, you’d probably want to see that detail a little more clearly. Right now it just kind of looks like any old planet to me. But I don’t have any experience with VFX, so I’m sure whatever you come up with will be great!

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#1402524
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new holistic approach inspired by the Mandalorian [SEVENTEEN EPISODES RELEASED (+watchlist for the remainder)]
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Oh yeah, I definitely think bringing in Maul as a constant presence throughout the show is a smart call, especially given his rivalry with Obi-Wan. But he’s not really in Episodes 1-3 in any capacity other than the cold open, so it feels kind of disconnected to me. To spin off of your example, with the Game of Thrones cold open, you see a couple of people, and a White Walker or two. The survivor comes back into the episode later on, and he warns the Starks about the Walkers before he’s executed. This has, I feel, a few key differences to the Maul opening.

  • GOT is teasing ideas. The idea of a White Walker. The idea of how terrifying they are. It’s not just about showing the Walkers, it’s about showing why they’re so terrifying. Whenever Ned says “Winter is coming,” we remember the White Walkers and crap our pants. With Maul, the hook here is “Look at these people…that you don’t know yet. But you will, promise! Try to remember them.” We’re not scared of Maul, or of Death Watch. We don’t know what the Dark Saber is, or have any reason to suspect that it’s special. There’s no emotional investment in anything we see, nothing to make it stick in our minds. At best, it makes the audience curious; at worst, it makes them confused. (If we’re treating this project as “The Clone Wars, in the style of The Mandalorian,” the Clone Wars edits should be accessible to anyone, even if they haven’t seen any Star Wars before.)

  • The White Walkers serve as a looming presence. In part because we (the audience) are scared of them too, but also because the events of the cold open come back later in the episode, when Ned executes the survivor. If Maul doesn’t come back until the final episode of the season, there’s nothing to reinforce his presence in the show until that time. Again, I feel that this will come across as confusing, and it also feels weird in terms of pacing.

  • With Maul, I think you’re throwing too much in there for a opening shot. With GOT, you have a few Red Shirts, and…some creature. No specifics, easy to remember. With Maul, you have to remember Maul specifically, you have to remember the Mandalorians, the Dark Saber, that other horned guy…and again, none of this will reappear until halfway through the season. That’s a lot to throw on a first time viewer.
    Compare this to The Mandalorian. The cold open is our main hero beating up a few NPCs at a bar. Nothing really necessary to remember. Like Game of Thrones, it’s using the cold open to set up the tone of the show, and of the world. It’s not trying to throw major characters and plot threads at the audience in the first thirty seconds.

Compare that to putting it as an ending stinger. We’ll have met Death Watch, seen the Dark Saber. Now the tone of the scene goes from “I don’t understand any of this” to “Oh man, Death Watch is still out there? Who’s this red guy? Are they going to team up to fight Obi-Wan Kenobi?? I can’t wait to watch the next season!”

Ultimately, it’s up to you, man. Please don’t think that I’m trying to commandeer your project; I’m just offering my own two cents. You have an amazing thing going here.

As for Clone Cadets/Rookies/ARC Troopers, I think evansj1983 has the right idea. Cross cutting into flashbacks would probably work really well, and it would help to make it a little different stylistically than the other episodes. Even if you want to do a Rookies episode (with Clone Cadet flashbacks), and then a separate ARC Troopers episode (doing both of the first two episodes as flashbacks in ARC might be more challenging). For example, when they say in Rookies, “Echo was cooking in the vat for too long, ha ha ha,” you could fade out to their first training session in Cadets, when they were all dysfunctional - juxtapose their present friendship with their initial antagonism. When Cutup dies, flash back to him claiming his name. When Rex gives the “Shinies” speech, cut back to Domino Squad completing the course. Maybe pair Rex’s Kamino speech with Shaak-Ti’s graduation speech. When Hevy sacrifices himself, fade to white or whatever, flash back to his one of his chats with 99, then cut back to the other Troopers watching the explosion. Stuff like that.

And honestly, I think it would be good to have a “Clones Introduction” episode. They may not be “central” characters like Anakin and Ahsoka, but they are important. Umbara only works if you’re familiar with and care about Rex and Fives, Fives discovering the Order 66 conspiracy, Echo’s sacrifice at the citadel (and his eventual return)…all of it depends on knowing and caring about the Clones.

Comparing to Game of Thones again(!), it’s like introducing the Starks, and then a few episodes later you introduce Brienne. Brienne is a very important character too, but she doesn’t have any scenes with the Starks at first. But then they all come together in ARC Troopers for a giant, epic, Avengers-esque team-up!

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#1402373
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Movies Remastered said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

That’s the point. Palpatine is launching an attack against the galaxy, destroying any planet whose citizens refuse to listen to him. He’s basically going to be holding the galaxy at gunpoint.

That’s the exact scene I’ve been working on for months. What planets would you include? (Bear in mind that cloud city, Endor & Naboo are already used in the end scene) I’ve already got Coruscant, Yavin 4, Tatooine, Mustafar…

Wait, are you designing an entire sequence of Sheev Ships attacking the galaxy? Because if so…dude.

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#1402372
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Cinefy said:

I like the idea but you can literally see BB-8 is damaged, don’t think this works

If you think the dialogue is okay as I cut it, and the only issue is the one shot of BB-8, perhaps there’s another shot of an undamaged BB-8 that could be spliced in instead? And in that case, would the flow of scenes work any better like this, or not really?

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#1402341
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new holistic approach inspired by the Mandalorian [SEVENTEEN EPISODES RELEASED (+watchlist for the remainder)]
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Regarding the episode order, specifically with Domino Squad - I’m a little hesitant to remove too much of Clone Cadets. Mainly because that’s our earliest introduction of these guys, and I worry that the audience won’t care as much if too much content with Fives and Echo (and even Hevy) is removed. That being said, there’s definitely a lot of fluff in that episode, and honestly, I fully believe in your ability to trim it down however you think works best.

ARC Troopers is a bit trickier though. You can definitely do a pretty safe time jump from Clone Cadets to Rookies, but ARC Troopers takes place further down the line. Fives and Echo are all “grown up,” and there’s definitely a “returning to school” vibe in the episode. It’s kind of like Episode 2.04 of Mandalorian - it’s a direct followup to Episode 1.08, but it takes place a good chunk of time later, so by spacing it out, the audience feels that time lapse better.

Therefore, my theoretical, highly radical episode order might go like:
Christophsis > Malevolence (to give Anakin and Ahsoka a bit more time together before they’re separated) > Domino Squad (Clone Cadets and Rookies) > Cloak of Darkness > Death Watch > ARC Troopers > Nightsisters

Also, personally, I don’t care for the idea of the very first shot of the entire series being Darth Maul. That’s such a significant reveal, and it doesn’t even come into play until much later, and we haven’t even met any Mandalorians yet. Tonally, it just…doesn’t work for me. However, I think that scene would work perfectly as an end-of-season stinger. Kind of like the Dark Saber in Mandalorian - if you know who the red horned guy is, it’s a great tease for things to come. If you don’t, it’s something to make you curious (rather than confused) for the next season.

But hey, you’re the boss! And like I said, I trust your instincts for these edits.

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#1402288
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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DZ-330 said:

If it could somehow be shown that Luke and Leia’s sabers are broken after the Palpatine fight, that would make burying them and her making her own make much more sense.

Not to mention the thematic resonance that would add, given that this is the conclusion of the entire Skywalker Saga. As the Saga ends, so too does the Skywalker lightsaber.

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#1402180
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new holistic approach inspired by the Mandalorian [SEVENTEEN EPISODES RELEASED (+watchlist for the remainder)]
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Just watched Cloak of Darkness. Brilliant reincorporation of the “Republic double agent” bit from the first episode! As far as the opening text goes, I agree with some above comments that it feels a bit early for Anakin to be “pawning Ahsoka off” onto Luminara. Especially since, the last time they were together, they seemed to be getting along. Perhaps it could say something like, “While Anakin Skywalker escorts the Duchess of Mandalore, his Padawan, Ahsoka Tano, has been assigned to assist Jedi Master Luminara Unduli in the blah blah blah”?

I also think the sound of the shuttle should be heard as it’s flying in the opening shot. Just some sort of sound effect to show that “The episode’s starting!!”

Really nitpicky, but some of the cringier lines could probably be trimmed a little bit more. For example, Ahsoka’s insistence on “Luminara has no idea what Ventress is capable of. NO. IDEA.” Maybe cut the second one, and tighten up the clip around it so that there’s no dead space? Or Ventress’s line about “Can you still use the Force if I sever your head?” This is just my opinion - no disrespect to anyone who likes those lines.

Maybe do a slower fade to black at the end.

A bit more serious, but I think it would be better to change the music credit in the end credits. Kevin Kiner composed the score, Samuel Kim just rearranged some of his pieces. It feels…I don’t know, inappropriate? Disrespectful? To give them equal billing when Kevin Kiner is the one who actually wrote the score. I would suggest putting simply “Score by Kevin Kiner,” and then on the next title card, “Original Star Wars themes by John Williams [skip a line] Additional arrangements by Samuel Kim”

Great job though! Can’t wait to watch the new releases!

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#1402164
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Cinefy said:

That sounds interesting, but wouldn’t work.
BB-8 is damaged during training and her and Poe discuss it.

I feel like we could pass off Poe’s comments as “paranoid parent and/or trying to distract Rey from the Falcon” if the scene is pruned carefully. Here’s a rough edit of the scene that I was testing out. (I was also seeing if I could cut out Hux’s spy subplot, so all references to that have also been removed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

https://streamable.com/j5cilt

The shot of Leia is from Force Awakens; but I feel that if Carrie hadn’t passed away, she would have been there to greet Poe when he returned anyway. If we want to continue with something like this, other folks (more talented than me) might be able to tweak the Leia shot a bit more, or to cover up BB-8’s missing plate in the one shot. Personally I don’t think either of those are deal breakers, though.

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#1402159
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Icecream2448 said:

It’s the only “ending” for their characters in the film. And it’s assumed this story thread will come back again? Possibly pick up in the Lando TV show they announced, perhaps? So, might as well just keep it.

Neither character is really all that important to this film though - do we care if they get an ending here? I’m not fussed about Rose and Babu Frik getting all but ignored in the final scene and both of them arguably did more in this trilogy.

But while we’re on the topic of the ending, maybe cut Chewie getting the medal? It’s so fan-service-y and embarrassing.

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#1401973
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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What if Rey’s training course and Force vision came after the scene where Poe accuses her of not doing enough to help the Resistance? That way her frustration and anger in that scene would have a more palpable cause (rather than her smiling contently at Leia, and then going immediately apeshit on the training remote). Rey could go from her failed meditation session to speaking with Leia in the hanger; then later, a hard cut from Poe telling her “We need you” to the training scene (cutting her line about “What’s the message?”), and then a cut from the training course to everyone listening to Palpy’s message.

I feel like that would be a better transition tonally than we got in the original film, not to mention a better motivation for her pushing herself so hard during the training course than…nothing? It goes from angry Rey, to “What was all that evil stuff?” to “Oh noes, the Emperor is back! That was the evil stuff!”, as opposed to the original through line of “Ha ha, fun banter! Oh crap, it’s the lord of all evil.” The only iffy thing would be trimming/rearranging some of the dialogue, but I think it would be possible.