They need to clean up after season 1 before they start making a new mess. Episode 2 was trekky, episode 3 is back to mopping up and is all the weaker for it… This what happens when you’re saddled with a bunch of mystery boxes as the foundation for your show, instead of an actual story arc. A retcon here, a handwave there, and season 3 should be semi-acceptable at this rate.
Episode 2 is a lot better in terms of trying to be Star Trek, though it does have that peculiar feeling about it as though they’re writing it this way, because they’re hoping it’ll stick and become second nature, not because they’re feeling it. If what I say makes sense.
Or maybe I’ve been burnt and they need to work twice as hard to make me like this show half as much as I would’ve otherwise. It was refreshing to see this kind of an episode considering what DSC had been like, honestly.
That said, the humour is insufferable, and I don’t know if I have the patience to give them another season to figure it out…
Tl;dr: better, though my expectations are low.
Execution is the issue, not tone in itself. And the way fundamental issues with season 1 are mostly ignored while the window dressing is re-arranged a bit makes it fairly obvious season 2 will be more of the same. If the creators aren’t seeing the real problems that prevent the series from being the best (or just better) version of what it’s intended to be, they won’t be fixing them.
I don’t want to say more so that I don’t spoil it for you, but I truly wish I enjoyed this trainwreck…
If that Section 31 show paves the way for a spin-off Pike show I’m down with it, but I have no faith for it to be any good with how current Trek’s going. A Section 31 show in the Berman era would’ve been a much more promising idea.
Anson Mount is the only saving grace of season 2 thus far - he gets it, even if the writers don’t, is my impression. And, yeah: the writers still don’t get it.
The season 2 pilot is marginally better than season 1 on a purely technical level just by virtue of haphazardly addressing some of the common criticisms and having the showrunners replaced in the later stages of development, as opposed to the early stage of season 1, but it still prefers overall dickishness, death and wanton destruction to meaninful drama or character development, and it still values explosions and macguffins over ideas - and the only difference from season 1 is they throw more jokes in this time around.
But Anson Mount really is great.
Considering they’re still announcing cast members and there’s only been rumours as to when principal photography is scheduled to begin, I highly doubt they’re even aiming to release this in 2019…
That Prelude short has always felt a bit off to me. It’s like bizarro Trek, something about it just doesn’t seem right, the writing isn’t great, the spirit isn’t there. The scene they released more recently was quite bad, I thought.
Not a fan of Axanar as its own thing, and definitely not a fan of its impact on the fan film as a whole. I’m pretty bitter about how it lead to cutting Continues short most of all.
Two Trek shows per year starting 2019:
At the 46th Annual UBS Global Media and Communications Conference, David Nevins, the new chief creative officer at CBS, announced “In 2019, it’s not one ‘Star Trek,’ it’s two ‘Star Treks.’ ‘Discovery’ at the beginning of the year, and Picard will start at the end of the year,” on Tuesday.
I was about to make a joke that Picard’s already started 30 years ago, but I lost interest halfway through thinking it.
Off topic, but I binge to binge watch the Orville. A lot of people say it’s more Star Trek than Discovery.
I’d recommend spreading it out a bit - it’s appropriately episodic.
Kylo Ren murdered Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Snoke, and nearly took over the entire Galaxy in two films.
Luke was indirect, I feel, but yeah, Kylo Ren is on a roll.
Back to the topic in question: no. Going back to Abrams for IX pretty much kills any anticipation I have for it, though. A nice clean slate setup from the end of TLJ will get dragged back kicking and screaming into Spreadsheet Wars territory again.
Sorry, had to get it out of my system.
Definitely an improvement on Season 1. It has its weak episodes (may I one day forget the mistake that is “Brown Betty”), but it certainly has less filler and more cohesion and momentum than its predecessor.
I stopped watching Fringe a bit into season 2, and the only reason why I even got that far was the praise the show was getting, especially further on.
So, here’s a question: from what you’ve seen thus far, does the writing improve past about mid-season 2? For reference, up until that point I found the show to be a lobotomized X-Files knock-off, and a truly idiotic one at that, it being extremely high on explaining EVERYTHING to the cheap seats which infuriated me to no end. It’s as if they aimed for a cult show, but tailored it for the soap crowd. I liked the premise fine (love the X-Files etc), but that along with rote characters, lazy plotting etc. completely killed it for me. Couldn’t even force myself to skip through for Nimoy…
I’m thinking, if people stop enjoying it half-way through perhaps I’d like it past that point. I do want a decent X-Files knock-off…
Why? Just … why?
Scott Mosier… stuck producing Kevin Smith movies, and then just stuck producing.
Pretty well substantiated in their podcasts.
Why? Just … why?
The interesting part is that apparently it’s co-directed by Scott Mosier - long-time aspiring director stuck producing Kevin Smith movies, and then just stuck producing. Might explain the ‘why’.
So, a Rick and Morty writer (/the TNG s08 guy) is now doing the Star Trek animated show:
Developed by “Rick and Morty” writer Mike McMahan, the series will focus on the support crew serving on one of Starfleet’s least important ships.
The animated show would’ve been lighter in tone regardless, but it still seems as if they’re quite desperate about chasing after The Orville.
Still waiting on the holographic displays Tv Guide said back in 1980 we’d all have in the the new century. 😛
Wait, you mean you don’t already have six of those?
Tech advancing this fast (assuming it’s not just marketing and wishful thinking, which I think it is to a degree at this stage) is a good thing - cost of 4k drops, adaptability increases, and we get a higher chance of some old masters getting dusted off for that reason.
Consumers will benefit (I highly doubt we’ll be seeing 8k BDs anytime soon), and insane people will get to buy some really nice, really expensive, and really useless TVs.
What universe is Discovery part of? The Prime Universe (Which I doubt). I know it may be just a creative decision, but if it were the Prime timeline, then the Enterprise would look exactly as it did in the original series, based off of canon (unless they’re going to retcon it by showing that the Enterprise was later refitted to what we see in TOS).
If you actually watch it, it’s a new, different entity that’s closer to the Kelvin timeline than to anything else Star Trek.
If you read the marketing crap, it’s totally Prime and if it doesn’t look it just give it some time to get there, honest, scout’s honor.
The push for 8k is about to begin, so it should happen any year now…
There’s some 8k TV trade show buzz already:
Hey, if it gets CBS to pay up they’re free to try selling 8k to me.
Just a bit longer until the costs go down, and they’re not able to peddle those ancient SD transfers to households with 4k TVs. The push for 8k is about to begin, so it should happen any year now…
As much as I hate to veer off the discussion about klingon manicure (I guess that’s the one aspect of klingon culture Ma Worf decided her kid wouldn’t honour?), here’s a DS9 film frame, courtesy of the soon-to-be-released documentary:
.jpg artifacting aside, it looks predictably gorgeous.
They’ve slapped hair on the Klingons and are trying real hard to retcon it:
Spock’s more hairy too:
A bit unkempt for a Vulcan. Is it logical? Perhaps he was staying someplace cold and required additional protection?
That Klingon design isn’t meshing well with the hair. Maybe it’s just a matter of getting used to it after seeing everyone bald for a season (and that one movie). Hairless Klingons is a non-issue anyway in the grand scheme of Things That Don’t Work In DSC.
Here’s a trailer for the shorts:
Apparently. I guess some of you lucky people might get to watch it, but not all of us peasants can get through the geoblock. Message received, CBS, I guess I’ll go watch something else, then.
Oh, and here’s some people in a room with Sir Patrick Stewart eating his glasses. I thought Goldsman was off the show… I could think of more welcome sights for a promo photo, honestly.
OK, thread’s back to collecting dust now.
Looks like the Kelvin Timeline is dead
Well, the 3rd season of Twin Peaks had gone through publicly bumpy negotations that included Lynch throwing in the towel at one point, but it happened in the end:
They’ll work something out - hopefully with the side effect of scaling the budget down to where it’ll be possible to make it back this time around?
Ethan Peck is the new Spock for Discovery season 2.
Ugh. Spock shouldn’t be on that show. I saw the trailer, and the way they worded “It all leads to Spock!!!” or something like that was ridiculous. Spock was literally just a guy in the original show. A conflicted, important Starfleet guy, but still just a guy.
It still took them longer than I expected to play the ‘Chosen One’ card this explicitly. Pretty much a decade into the Kelvin reboot movies, though those have already been plotted out in that manner to a large extent (Kirk is destined to be the captain, his friendship with Spock is destined to happen etc - no matter how contrived both end up being).
Yeah, pretty much. We already got four lackluster films. But I’m cautiously optimistic, since Stewart seemed a little wary to return. So I’m hoping that whatever they pitched him, was a good enough idea that will show in the finished production.
A large sack of cash is what they pitched him.
They got Hall H for Discovery at Comic Con, even though (reportedly) they weren’t able to fill it. CBS is in a spending mood.
Back to the prime universe, baby!
Taking into consideration that DSC is prime (officially), and factoring in how unlike prime DSC was… I’d hold off on assuming just about anything outside the fact that Patrick Stewart will possibly be involved in some capacity in a series tied to the cross-media ‘Star Trek’ franchise, and perhaps that ‘some capacity’ will involve him playing a character named ‘Picard’.
We’ve yet to see CBS do anything right with their ‘new’ take on Trek, so no reason to believe this will be anything different.
TV’s Frink said:
Yes but I don’t know how that has anything to do with what I said. Writer’s rooms are committees. Yes there’s a head writer but the blanket statement “good things don’t come from a committee” isn’t true.
I’d say not quite. Yeah, both are groups of people, but the implication that comes with ‘committee’ is a complete lack of regard for creativity. Ideally, with a writer’s room the creative aspect of the process is the focus… that might then get skewed by a network exec committee enforcing whatever they think will sell.
Semantics, but I feel they’re important here 😛
Did it fail? I mean it failed with many of the old fans, but did CBS All Access and / or Netflix publish any numbers?
I think ‘relative success’ would be a decent way of putting it. They got some new eyeballs, but likely not as many as they would’ve liked to get, nor can anyone be sure whether any of those eyeballs stuck wih their subscriptions once DSC ended. Unlikely, given that there really isn’t anything on there to watch. No official numbers past the initial free (half) episode as far as I know.
There’s also rumours (at least I think these were rumours) that Netflix wasn’t that happy with season 1 for what they paid for it (though I think they paid 2/3 of the cost of season 1 which is/used to be a standard network deal for TV shows? Feel free to correct me on this point).
It’s all very murky, but CBS is trying to frame it as a smash hit. That could be viewed as true within the context of CBSAA, which is very nearly a complete wasteland.