khamul02

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Join date: 19-Oct-2004
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Post: #73776
Topic: Dark Empire Collection - OT LD to DVD set (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73776/action/topic#73776
Time: 26-Oct-2004 11:32 AM

So it's the little white spots. I've seen these on several encodes. I noticed that nasty line across the bottom of the above frame. Is that due to an Deinterlacing glitch?

Post: #73723
Topic: Dark Empire Collection - OT LD to DVD set (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73723/action/topic#73723
Time: 26-Oct-2004 12:10 AM

In order to achieve a rot spot free transfer, there is an AVIsynth filter called "TOOT" that will check three separate sources of video pixel by pixel and average the two most similar. So, for instance if I make three captures from three different ANH LD's and on one frame one has a rot spot and the other two don't, the output video will be without that spot. Using this method, I should be able to produce a transfer that is rid of all rot spots

This is what I'm talking about. What is a rot spot visually? I take it they are a product of the actual LD. Are they due to wear er what?

Post: #73722
Topic: Dark Empire Collection - OT LD to DVD set (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73722/action/topic#73722
Time: 26-Oct-2004 12:03 AM

Well, my Pioneer DVL-91 is on the way along with the trilogy laserdiscs.

Can't wait to capture some of the same frames you guys have to see if all this high $$ equipment makes a difference. It very well may not.

I hope it does so I can avoid as many filters as possible. I noticed that Zion did multiple captures for a per pixel comparison clean up. This is really something I'm hoping to avoid.

Is it something everyone is doing (multiple captures)?

Post: #73721
Topic: Dark Empire Collection - OT LD to DVD set (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73721/action/topic#73721
Time: 26-Oct-2004 12:00 AM — Edited 2-Jul-2020 9:04 AM

(Formally the Odyssey collection)

Just to restate some things for this thread:

Equipment:
Video Capture System: Media 100 i/xr (this system captures a lossless signal) (we have roughly $30,000 in this system)
LaserDisc Player: Pioneer DVL-91

Software:
Mpeg Encoder: Cinema Craft SP (the best software based mpeg 2 encoder available - comparable to hardware encodes)
AfterEffects (for menus, captioning, image adjustment)
DVD Studio Pro 3 for DVD production
Filtering & picture correction software to be determined

The Discs (as I see them now):
No special features other than motion menus (intro+chapters)
Dolby 2.0 audio (track provided by laserdisc)
No trills to allow the highest possible average bitrate (dvd-player-max with audio 10.08bps)
I will encode to use all avalible space of a dual layer disc.

Cover (1st draft - test edit needed):
Low quality cover image

Post: #72994
Topic: The Odyssey Collection (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72994/action/topic#72994
Time: 22-Oct-2004 9:30 AM

thanks for the comps. I've seen those singles but I guess I want it to be grander. You know it was one of the appeals of buying albums. Bigger Sleeves = More to look at. I don't know, These cases feel more like a book.

Thanks again for the info

Post: #72951
Topic: The Odyssey Collection (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72951/action/topic#72951
Time: 21-Oct-2004 11:58 PM

Welp, before I start I have a cover & a new name for my "Backups"
Dark Empire Collection ( big fan of the dark horse books)

Anyway, here is a link to a very low quality jpg of the cover I'm going to use on a 3-disc case.
Next while I'm awaiting my laser-disc player maybe I'll knock out the disc covers & start storyboarding a menu for Empire, Since it has
to be first . .

Fun while at work...

Low Quality First attempt at a cover

Post: #72612
Topic: The Odyssey Collection (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72612/action/topic#72612
Time: 20-Oct-2004 6:21 PM

Please advise:

Here is what I'm thinking the order of events will be for this process:

Capture video with media 100.
Media 100 will allow me to bounce back & forth to AE.
In AE (as of right now) I plan on replacing the captured little black bars with 1-color black boxes to help the bit-rate issues they present.
Also, I plan on re-titling everything on top of those new black bars for the same reason mentioned above.

Once everything is edited (video/audio) and I've done all of the color correction that Media 100 & AE can, I'll output a monster interlaced 29.97 fps video.
This raw video will probably be 1 gig per minute if it is a lossless QT video using the component codec.

The reason I want to keep everything in a media 100 format for as long as possible is because although it is lossless the file sizes of the actual media 100 files are small.
Their compression scheme for lossless is awesome. This will allow me to easily archive all of my footage. Each movie should end up being roughly
60 gigs in the media 100 format. The downside to this is that this footage will require their card to be edited in the future.

OK so here I sit with this best possible footage. Now, I've been combing through the Cinema Craft manual and it will handle the de-interlacing as well as the frame rate conversion during its 9-pass compression sequence. So I take care of those issues when compressing it to an mpeg 2.

Here is one of many (to come) of my questions. If I need to use some of the filtering you guys are using to remove halo/ghosting etc can those filters be ran on QT files?

Post: #72609
Topic: The Odyssey Collection (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72609/action/topic#72609
Time: 20-Oct-2004 5:47 PM

Do you know which codec you will use? HuffyUV has been great for me (thanks again, laserman. )

Media 100 has its own codec that requires their board for playback and editing.

Media 100 also forces interlacing so I guess the first thing I need to do is get the raw footage edited and output it to some uncompressed lossless file type either QT or AVI. Then go from there.

Also, when I capture video and audio separately, there's less CPU overhead, so I won't drop frames while capturing video. This is important, because if you drop a frame, it will ruin the IVTC process (or, at the very least, force you to do it manually, which is a slow pain-in-the-ass.).

This will not be an issue becuase our media 100 does not allow frames to be dropped.

Your captured audio track will maintain the original dolby pro-logic information to make it surround. Unless you employ some filters that mess with this, your matrixed surround channel should stay intact, and should play back the same way it does off the LD.

This is good news. What kind of filtering will mess up this info. (Hi-pass low-pass , general EQing)?

Post: #72526
Topic: The Odyssey Collection (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72526/action/topic#72526
Time: 20-Oct-2004 12:32 PM

So you encoded at 29.97 intially then used a IVTC program to alter the frame rate. Are you editing at 29.97 and coverting right before compression? I noticed that cinema craft has a feature to handle this conversion during it's 9 pass compression sequence.

I haven't digitized the first frame yet. I really want to make sure I have the intial setting correct for all the post capture tweaking. I plan on reviewing what corrections everyone else has made and implementing them as needed

So far: (please correct me if needed)

I'm captureing at 4:3 at 29.97fps
Capture size 720 X 486
Lossless quality (roughly 300+k per frame)
Will try s-video & composite to determine best quality (I have noticed everyone saying composite is better)

On the audio side:
Does anyone have any suggestions.
All I want is that doly 2.0 track with basic surround.
I have an optical in & rca ins.
Once captured does the audio maintain it's surround features or is there somthing extra that needs doing?

Thanks

Post: #72448
Topic: The Odyssey Collection (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72448/action/topic#72448
Time: 20-Oct-2004 2:44 AM

Hey thanks for the tip. I haven't really explored the forum yet other that your thread.

I haven't read enough on how cinema craft handles the average when the range is so great. I really want to constrain the average bitrate to the haighest possible value. I may try to lower my min and raise my average. I noticed on the new set, they average 8 to 8.5 with the occasional 11.3.

Once again these are value I will play with with the goal being the highest possible average & the least amount of artifacts. The artifacts showing up in the new set sets me off. I know this software compression won't be better but I'll try to let the problems reside in my image quality not me compression methods.

On another note:
I will admit that I need to become educated on non-interlace video and the animorphic stuff. All I have ever done has been NTSC /interlaced/4:3

Did you capture the video in 4:3 and cropped it in another program?
Also, how does the dvd standard handle non-interlaced video?
Oh are these laserdisc player video at a film or standard video(29.97) frame rate?

Thanks & I look forward to reading over all of you posts. I've seen your capture card specs and the mpeg 2 compressor you are using & am very impressd with the stills you have posted. You should look into getting Cinema Craft to get a bit more quality out of your compression. They have a free trail version you can download for testing purposes. Also if you google pdf files you can find a user manual online. There are a ton of settings to play with including the handling of the conversion of film frame rate to video.

Thanks again & take care,

Post: #72408
Topic: The Odyssey Collection (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72408/action/topic#72408
Time: 19-Oct-2004 9:30 PM

Does anyone know where I can track down 300dpi images of the original posters for my cover art?

Post: #72407
Topic: The Odyssey Collection (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72407/action/topic#72407
Time: 19-Oct-2004 9:28 PM — Edited 1-Jul-2020 7:08 PM

Standing on the sholders of others -
Like everyone else I’m am transfering the “faces” LD set to dvd. I have been in the field of digital video & dvd production for the last 3 years. What I’m trying to do is provide the best possible transfer of the laserdisc to Dual Layer DVD.

Equipment:
Video Capture System: Media 100 i/xr (this system captures a lossless signal) (we have roughly $30,000 in this system)
LaserDisc Player: Pioneer DVL-91

The Discs (as I see them now):
No special features other than motion menus (intro+chapters)
Dolby 2.0 audio (track provided by laserdisc)
No trills to allow the highest possible average bitrate (estimate: 5.0 low 8.0 average 9.8 max) (dvd-player-max with audio 10.08bps)
I will encode to use all avalible space of a dual layer disc.

More info to come as the process continues. . .