jimbotron235

kk650 said:

Danfun128 said:

jimbotron235 said:

Since the theatrical cut Blu-ray is a DNR mess, does anyone know if there exists a restoration of the theatrical cut using a de-greened recut of the extended version?  If not, that's something I'd like to tackle.

There are a couple scenes in the theatrical that aren't in the extended. Gimli's "These are the elves. We should go back." comes to mind.

That is a good point. Gandalf's entrance into Hobbiton is also quite different between the two cuts.

Hm, I wonder just how much they are different.  I haven't spent much time doing a shot-for-shot comparison.  If I only have to settle for a minute or two of the DNRed footage, then I still consider it worth it.

Fellowship is the only movie of the three where I prefer the extended cut over the theatrical, but I want the theatrical cut for posterity, and the original master is too awful to enjoy.

kk650 said:

jimbotron235 said:

Since the theatrical cut Blu-ray is a DNR mess, does anyone know if there exists a restoration of the theatrical cut using a de-greened recut of the extended version?  If not, that's something I'd like to tackle.

Not that i'm aware of. What de-greened recut of the extended edition are you planning to use as your source, the high quality hdtv transport stream that was floating around a few years back or something else?

I'd refer to your regraded cut first, otherwise I'd try de-greening a Blu-ray rip myself.

For any shots from the theatrical cut not found in the extended cut (such as the shifted title drop), I would source the original Blu-ray or an HDTV rip (which I don't currently have.)

Since the theatrical cut Blu-ray is a DNR mess, does anyone know if there exists a restoration of the theatrical cut using a de-greened recut of the extended version?  If not, that's something I'd like to tackle.

All files appear to be up and running now, thanks though.

CatBus said:

Okay, this is plain weird.  I'm trying to make this BD-compliant, and so I re-encoded the video (works fine), and the main audio also works fine without alterations, but I'm having a heck of a time with the isolated score and French tracks.  I've tried re-encoding and everything--they're just dead silent on my system, but play fine on my PC.  Any ideas?  48k sampling, 16-bit audio, not much that can go wrong there, right?  Weird watermark/copy protection issue?  No idea.

No copy protection issues.  Processing-wise, all audio tracks were completed the same way, so they should all work the same way.

You should not need to reencode the video.  It is already in h264 format.  You would just need to change the container from MKV.

If anyone still has the RAR files for version 2, please let me know.  Part 15 has been down for a few days, and I deleted the original RAR files.  If not, I will need to re-split the movie and upload it over again.

Check your PMs.

Thanks for the visualization. I see the gap gradually grows throughout the movie. As I recall, I needed to make 1-frame edits to the sound mix here and there throughout. Shots in the director's cut would often be a frame shorter than the theatrical cut, I recall. Those obviously add up.

I'm not opposed to making a version 3, but the only way to effectively make up those missing frames would be to repeat frames or insert more DVD footage, two things I wouldn't want to do.

I could still sync your French audio for you if you wanted. It would have edits here and there, just as the English mix has.

Sorry about that.  If you sent me the audio, I could sync it for you.

gomi said:

Hi,

Unfortinately I can't get it to sync correctly in French, I'm off 3-4 seconds at the end.

I can explain those 3-4 seconds. There are two shots in the director's cut that I retained which were slightly shorter than the original. Each were the beginning of a shot with no dialogue, so after weighing the pros and cons, I decided to keep them rather than dropping them and replacing them with DVD footage.  That resulted in trimming the movie and sound mix by that length.

I had labeled this "frame accurate", but I didn't take these two shots into account.  Other than that, it is pretty much accurate frame for frame.

Shot 1: Beginning of scene with Constanze visiting Salieri. The first 1-2 seconds of the shot of Salieri walking up before saying "how can I help you?" are missing.

Shot 2: Scene where Mozart's father visits. After they hug, it cuts to a shot of the door opening. The first 1-2 seconds of that shot are missing.

If you edit the sound at those points, you might get your sync to work. However the missing 1-2 seconds from shot 2 includes music. I adjusted that particular section of the sound mix to preserve the music.

Check your PM

Version 2 is live.  Same link and password as before.

I have not.  I'm satisfied with the director's cut shot.

First post updated for version 2, which is complete.  I'll get on uploading it this week.

Update -

I hope you'll forgive me, but I'm going with an alternate shot found in the Director's cut over a shot from the theatrical cut.  The theatrical shot has a really ugly case of interlacing which I can't resolve to my satisfaction.  The alternate shot is fairly different, but it's still the same idea.  It also trims 17 seconds of upscaled footage out of the edit.

Theatrical shot:

Replacement shot:

Thanks for handling the requests, stretch.

I'm going ahead and finalizing version 2, and will be uploading it hopefully within the next week.

Version 2 will be nearly frame accurate to the DVD version, and will include the 5.1 mix from the DVD and the isolated score mix from the DVD.  I will make sure for those who asked that it be BD-compatible, and small enough to fit on a BD-25.

If I get the laserdisc audio, then I will make a synced audio track available separately for anyone to mux themselves.  Thanks for your patience.

stretch009 said:

Only 23gb's fit on a BD25, actually.

DVD5 = 4.37 gb

DVD9 = 7.95 gb

BD25 = 23 gb

BD50 = 46 gb

 I'll make sure it's small enough.

I've adjusted the color timing to match as close to the BD as possible.  The DVD was very red in places.  You can see what I've done in version 1, though I have tweaked it somewhat since then.

I've been exchanging PMs with a member who is trying to track down the original laserdisc for me and to extract the PCM mix, which I will then sync to the video.

For now, the project lies dormant, awaiting that mix.  I made numerous tiny edits to make the Blu-ray version practically frame-accurate to the DVD version, but I want to give my source as long as possible to transfer the laserdisc track before replacing version 1.  I'm working on another project right now, and once that is done, I will get back to this and call it done, with or without that laserdisc mix.

As version 2 sits now, the only substantial correction is a single line which was in the director's cut (carried into version 1), which is not found in the theatrical cut.  When we see for the first time that Lorl is working for Salieri, the scene begins with the line "they're out every night, sir."  That line is absent in the original version (and version 2).

One member requested that version 2 be able to fit on a BD-R.  That will be done.  It should clock in at just below 25GB, and will include the DVD 5.1 mix, the isolated score mix, and the laserdisc mix if available.  I will not include the director's cut 5.1 mix, but make it available as a separate file that the viewer can remux on their own.

Thanks for your patience, everyone.

Status update on version 2 -

I should have the original laserdisc mix in the next few weeks, at which point I will sync it and upload the final version (version 2).  Another member of OT has kindly offered to acquire the laserdisc and transfer the audio for me.

I have made numerous small tweaks to what was version 1.  I went back and compared the Blu-ray to the DVD pretty much shot for shot and made edits accordingly so that the DVD mix could more easily sync to the HD footage.  I noticed that the director's cut had shots here and there with a few extra frames, so I trimmed them.

I plan on dropping the lossless 5.1 mix from the Blu-ray and going only with the 5.1 mix from the DVD and the original mix (I forget if it's mono or stereo).

Booshman said:

Hey Jimbo, nice one for doing this, it's been something I've hoped would be tackled by a fan for a while.

Definitely down for version 2 whein it's ready.

 Thanks.  I have a lead or two on the laserdisc audio, which I hope to incorporate.

I've made a bunch of tiny edits, which pretty much gets it completely synced to the DVD 5.1 mix.  What I want though is the PCM theatrical mix.  If it falls through, then I will release version 2 with just the 5.1 DVD mix.

If anyone knows where I can find the laserdisc audio (specifically PCM stereo), then I'd appreciate it.  V2 is ready to go except for that track.

The entire video was reencoded after I made the edits (and cropped the black bars).  I gave it a healthy bitrate, so the grain structure isn't impacted.

The edit is completed.

Changes made:

•     Removed opening restoration credit

•     Removed Harmonica recovering from gunshot
•     Restored original Finale music (from OST), removing the spliced-in Cheyenne theme.  The result is pretty seamless.  There are no foley effects with the restored music.  Having listened to it several times, I don't miss them.

Video: 1920x816 AVC @ 18Mbps

Audio:

•     5.1 FLAC (Sourced from Blu-ray DTS-HD mix)
•     PCM 1.0 Mono (sourced from Laserdisc, provided by NeonBible and Lil Brutto) (44.1Khz 705Kbps) This was from the "Theatrical" version so I needed to splice in about 30 seconds from the "Restored" version.
•     DD 1.0 Mono (sourced from Blu-ray) (originally 112Kbps 48Khz)

Length: 2:44:03

Size: 23.8GB

The 5.1 mix is FLAC instead of the original DTS-HD because Premiere doesn't output to DTS/Dolby.  The BD mono is expanded to PCM for the same reason.

Was the Frank and Morton scene on the mountainside always in the movie?  It seems out of place.

Jill goes back to her home to look for the "Station" model, but Frank is already there (nighttime, I think).  Cut to Frank and Morton on the mountainside (daytime).  Cut to Harmonica and Cheyenne beginning to build the station, knowing that Jill is captured (daytime).  Cut to Jill and Frank in bed (nighttime).

The Frank/Morton scene is really good on its own, but doesn't work in its location.  Because then, why did Jill stick around for Frank to come back?

Some updates on the edit I'm working on:

• US BD synced to LD mono mix (1.0 768kbps 44.1KHz WAV) provided by NeonBible
• Edit based on "restored" cut which is about 10 seconds longer than "theatrical" (the opening restoration credit has been removed).  10 seconds of audio from the BD lossy mono mix has been used to fill the gaps.
• Harmonica recovering from the opening gunfight has been removed.  After the last of the gunmen fall, the next shot is McBain and his rifle.
• Track 'Finale' from the OST has been inserted at the end to replace Cheyenne's theme, matching the German cut.
• I'm currently working on making the same changes to the 5.1 mix.