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It looks like he took down his site and most of his videos. I’ve been trying to find the complete version of Sins of the Father to make an edit splicing in Blu-ray footage. Thankfully for season 4 onward, CBS included HD deleted scenes.
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Ahem.
Yeah, that’s a good point. Maybe could have two different versions for whichever folks prefer. Either no picture loss for the problem shots w/ black bars on the sides or the presentation I had outlined.
The only reason I remember the issue being present at the theater was because I remember thinking there was something wrong with the projector, haha.
This is even MORE obvious in 4K. There are some scenes where you have consecutive shots with the same characters but radically different geometry. The first and second shots with Riker is a strong example. The fact this happens throughout the film and isn’t just the result of a bad day of filming is even more confusing.
When I was working on the latest version of Amadeus theatrical cut, I noticed the original Blu-ray resolution was 1920x794, an unusual aspect ratio of 2.42:1, and then I noticed that everything looked squished. Not squished as badly as this, but enough to look off. I stretched it to 1920x804, a more standard 2.39:1. It makes a huge difference. Thankfully no cropping needed.
Thank goodness I wasn’t going crazy. I’ve noticed this ever since DVD. I saw this theatrically, but don’t remember that, but I sure remember it on every video release since. This is the first time I’ve seen anyone else mention it.
Stretching the video vertically and then cropping it introduces the issue of chopping off the top of people’s heads. IMO that cure is worse than the disease. If I had to choose between stretching vertically and cropping OR squeezing the video horizontally and having black bars on the sides, I’d choose the latter.
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Many have found the way, some have not…
AdmiralWasabi10191 said:
This forum doesn’t have a search function when it should. So no, I don’t know which post to go to.
I AM SCARED! SO LOST! HELP ME FIND WHICH ONE IT IS!
No updates, it sounds like.
Thanks for the download link.
I’m slightly confused as to the difference between the included “PCM Laserdisc Audio” track and the separate “JP LD mix” wav.
As stwd4nder2 said, it’s a different track. After I had completed V3 with the US LD mix included, the JP LD was generously sent to me. I synced it up and included it as a separate download.
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I’ve made available, as a separate download, alternate audio tracks for the DVD 5.1 mix, in both AC-3 and FLAC, in case the included AAC track doesn’t work for you. Note these are derived from the original sound mix, and should sound identical, but are now included for maximum compatibility.
I meant, use the AC-3 track from the 1997 DVD release which was the theatrical cut, instead of the 2002 ‘director’s cut’ DVD.
The audio sources used are the 1997 DVD and the 1996 Laserdisc. The director’s cut audio, whether DVD or Blu-ray, is not used in any way.
@jimbotron235:
Why bother transcoding the AC-3 track at all? Keep the AC-3 track untouched and mux it to the final edit of your project.
The fps (frames per second) from the DVD—29.97fps—and the fps from the Blu Ray—23.976fps—are one in the same—both audio tracks will have the same duration.
If you didn’t change the speed of the AC-3 audio when you imported it to Premiere, then by all means, keep the audio you have in Premiere as a guide when you are editing–so long as your final edit is at the fps of 23.976.
When you export the video with that audio, mux the DVD’s AC-3 track to your edit. Compare the speed of both AAC and AC-3 tracks and see for yourself if they are sync’d properly.
It has nothing to do with frame rate. Besides, I de-interlaced and converted the DVD video to 23.976 before building the edit.
The AC3 track (and LD for that matter) can’t be added untouched. The director’s cut video has dozens of shots that are 1-2 frames shorter as compared to the theatrical cut. This results in numerous instances where the video and DVD/LD audio go out of sync. I can fix this here and there by inserting duplicate frames where appropriate but for shots where a judder would be noticeable, I have to trim the audio by the appropriate amount of time, and then export the edited audio track.
“Audio 2: 5.1 AAC (source: 1997 DVD)”
AAC isn’t blu ray compliant. Why not AC3 instead?Is that still a concern? I figured most people play MKV as such.
It would be a concern for those who burn this to disc and want 5.1 surround. You say “most” but there are still those who like to burn movies to disc. I suppose there’s minimal quality loss if you convert the AAC to AC3 640kbps. This can be done with ffmpeg or eac3to I believe.
Edit: Actually, couldn’t you convert the AAC to PCM with zero quality loss? PCM of course being BD compliant.
PCM 5.1 is the opposite problem for me, it’s not MKV compliant, so I avoid it. However what I can do is export the raw tracks as PCM mono and then combine them together in Audacity as FLAC 5.1. You could then convert that to PCM 5.1 on your end.
“Audio 2: 5.1 AAC (source: 1997 DVD)”
AAC isn’t blu ray compliant. Why not AC3 instead?
Is that still a concern? I figured most people play MKV as such.
The Premiere I used only exports 5.1 audio in AAC. To export 5.1 AC3, I would have to take the extra steps of exporting the audio channels into individual PCM tracks, then re-combining them back 5.1 AC3 in Audacity. I didn’t think that was necessary, and didn’t want to re-encode the audio more times than needed. I can make a separate AC3 track if needed, but I consider the Laserdisc stereo the primary sound mix. Listening back and forth, the fidelity of the laserdisc sound is superior.
I’m so glad you uploaded this. I somehow lost my last one and wanted to watch it on Monday. Please send a link.
I’ve taken down V2. V3 is assembled, and I’m reviewing it now. I’ll have it available shortly.
Edit: it’s done. PM me.
35mm scan of the Theatrical Cut in 1080p or 4K would be nice. No need for upscaling.
35mm scan project for both 1080p and 4K would be better than any upscaling effort.
Good. I’d rather a 35mm scan compared to an obsolete upscale.
You posted the same comment (at least) three times now. I get it, you want 35mm. You know what post to go to for that.
By any chance you will be using 35mm scan footage?
No, this is strictly sourcing the Blu-ray and DVD for video. I imagine once the 35mm project is completed, this will be obsoleted, which is fine by me.
Edit 11/30/2022:
Version 3 is coming soon! Changes to include:
Better encode with higher bitrate. V2 has noticeable macroblocking. Likely will not be BD-25 compliant.
Less extreme aspect ratio. The Blu-ray resolution is 1920x794 which is atypically wide 2.42:1. Faces etc. look squished, so this is being slightly stretched to 1920x804 (more typical 2.39:1)
Additional cleanup for DVD shots to better match surrounding footage: dirt/scratch removal, color timing and contrast adjustments
New sound mix to be included: Laserdisc PCM stereo track [PSE96-073] courtesy of stwd4nder2. Dolby Digital 5.1 and isolated score track from V2 to be included as well.
The file is available again (but I’m now working on V3)
The WIP looks great! I can’t wait to see more
“Sorry I’ve been away so long … I won’t let you down again.”
I’m happy to see interest in this project living on. I wasn’t aware the DL links went dead. I’ll fix that…
Some time ago, I couldn’t keep up with the download requests, so it went up to MySpleen, but now that seems to be a dead-end since they dropped invites. I’d love to rerelease this as a V3. My goal would be to get ahold of the PCM stereo track from one of the laserdisc releases, along with the original commentary. A potential V3 would include the original LD audio, original commentary, LD AC3, DVD AC3 (if materially different from LD), and ISO music track. I don’t have the time or resources to track the laserdisc down or capture the audio, but if someone were to donate it, then I’d jump in on a V3. I would have to start from scratch.
There’s also got to be a better way to remove the “Director’s Cut” title than the way I did before.
If a DCP version exists of the theatrical cut, that’s a game changer. That needs to be out there somehow.
Can Madine’s awful glued-on peach fuzz beard be erased? 😄
Any reason why used the generic Fox fanfare and not the Williams 1980 recording?
Because this edit was too good to be true for me I just have to ask this question: Was there anything from TESB that didn’t get fixed?
Leia kissing Luke 😄
Seriously, while a large majority of known issues have been fixed there are a few that are still in the film. Some that you’ll have to live with, and a few that could possibly be fixed…
For the record, I wouldn’t “fix” the kiss, it’s as much a part of the movie as “No, I am your father” is. I don’t think there’s a single big thing or nitpick he has missed. Though he has introduced a couple new small issues (visible layer masks, typos), which I trust will be resolved when the BD-25 version comes out.
I’m also not a fan of the new title crawl, but that’s just me. The font looks a bit too thin, and it doesn’t look right to me without gate weave.