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#782707
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Info: The films of Sergio Leone - The best available versions...
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jimbotron235 said:

Going back to the OP, has anyone else made the "Top Choice" edits for FOD and FAFDM?  I bought the German and US BDs for each and made the appropriate edits:

FOD:

  • Removed embarrassing Tobis distributor title
  • Replaced German titles with English titles - adjusting the faded color of the latter so the reds matched
  • Did not replace ALL titles of the German version, such as the co-stars which listed their full names in the German version (such as Siegfried Rupp instead of S. Rupp)
  • Used US title card for Technicolor/Techniscope.  The German one is too cropped on the left.
  • Ending still includes the Italian "FINE".  The equivalent shot from the US Blu-ray is too ugly to use.
  • Does not include MGM logo - film begins and ends with restoration credits
  • English DTS-HD MA Mono only.  I didn't include the 5.1 because I didn't see the point.

FAFDM:

  • Removed Tobis distributor title
  • Replaced German intro card about bounty killers with English intro card
  • English DTS-HD MA Mono

I have a Mondo BD coming in the mail in the next week or so.  I plan on editing it as well to insert in the English titles and text from the US remaster, and sync it to TheHutt's mono mix.

Done!  PM for details.

While I did buy the Mondo version and got synced it to TheHutt's mono mix, I decided to stick with the (superior) original Italian titles.

After watching that version, I can't watch the US remaster again, even a regraded version.  Sure there's more fine detail, but it's not worth the wacky color.  Way too saturated, skies are teal, and blacks look bad.  Whether it should or should not look like that, the Italian remaster looks natural, and fits in better with the FOD remaster.  FOFDM still looks rough, but it too looks natural.

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#781857
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Info: Back to the Future - without DNR & EE
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jedimasterobiwan said:

Too bad after digital bits made head way with aspect ratio. Films are now getting butcher another way

It's not as bad as it was though.  There has been a steady improvement.  4K remasters are starting to be the 'in' thing now.

In the late 2000s, many films had old 1080p or 2K masters that dated back a decade, which were simply ported to Blu-ray and digitally 'cleaned up' without a second thought.

If studios and TV manufacturers are serious about pushing 4K, then they have to put the effort into the film transfers.  The only persistent problem I see not ending anytime soon is the blue/teal tint that's been the rage.

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#781532
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Info: Back to the Future - without DNR & EE
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jedimasterobiwan said:

ilovewaterslides said:

I don't see the point of using DNR and EE with a pristine new 4K transfer so don't worry about that.

 what do you mean?

Those don't go together.  DNR and EE are typically applied to outdated masters in lieu of a remaster.  For example, Predator, BTTF, Star Trek films.  In the case of a brand new 4K remaster, DNR and EE would be counterproductive (and dumb).

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#780310
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Once Upon a Time in the West - LD PCM Preservation (Released)
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Unfortunately I wasn't so forward thinking, and only made it with the cropped bars and then deleted the project files.  I can recreate the video from scratch, which would not be very hard since I only made two edits (removal of restoration credit and the entire rising scene).  No redos necessary for the audio, so those tracks can be ported from the first version.  Note though that I included the 5.1 mix as FLAC, which I don't believe is BD-compliant.

Aluminum Falcon and Stamper, check your PM.

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#780173
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Info: The films of Sergio Leone - The best available versions...
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Stamper said:

KK your edit is wrong, for the platform scene. The scene should segue from Bronson falling down to the gunshot for the hunt. No wheel. That's how it was in the original cut.

I made the same scene removal but before making the cut, I inquired on here about the wheel shot because I wasn't sure.  I assumed it was part of the original cut too.  However, it was confirmed that the wheel was not part of the original cut, so I removed it.  Discussed here: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Once-Upon-a-Time-in-the-West-LD-PCM-Preservation/topic/16248/

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#779927
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Info: Back to the Future - without DNR & EE
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crampedmisfit1990 said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

So your saying there nothing we can do at all really no petitions etc.

 Petitions are probably useless against Universal, they just don't care. They are starting to do BD well lately though. Breakfast Club and Duel are ones that I bought recently and they look fantastic! No issues. So, maybe Universal will have a nice non dnr and edge enhancement version of the BTTF trilogy this year. Who knows...

Who knows, indeed.  They did just remaster Apollo 13, and it's gorgeous.

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#779926
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Info: Back to the Future - without DNR & EE
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ilovewaterslides said:

Yes I'm pretty sure indeed. 

You never see the exact same dusts with different masters: LINK

The reason why the framing is different is because they are working with an open matte master. It was needed for the fullscreen DVDs back in 2002.

The end credits issue is still unknown. Nobody actually knows what the fuck Universal did with these. It doesn't have anything to do with film transfer though because the movie has no anamorphic film element at all.

That example looks like a burned-in piece of dust on the original negative, so it would appear in any master.  I could be wrong though.

I know BTTF 2 and 3 were shot in open matte, which led to the misframing on the original DVDs.  But I thought BTTF was hard matted, so the top and bottom of the frame were never captured, and the fullscreen version crops the sides instead of opening the top and bottom. No?

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#779895
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Info: Back to the Future - without DNR & EE
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ilovewaterslides said:

No. Actually the DVD/Blu-ray/DCP all come from the same old 2002 master.

They just tweaked it for the BD release but it's definitely the same master.

Are you sure?  The proportions and framing are different.  The Blu-ray master is more squeezed, and has slightly more information on the sides.  Plus if they were the same master, then how did the end credits get squeezed?

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#779834
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Info: Back to the Future - without DNR & EE
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AntcuFaalb said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

Do they know people are sick of dnr and edge enhancement in their films or do they just don't care?

In my experience "people" just don't know and don't care.

The average person is fine with whatever's most convenient for them (e.g., Netflix) and even the average piracy-inclined person is fine with a low bitrate YIFY encode of a movie.

Videophiles are a relatively tiny group. We're lucky that some production companies are even making a half-assed attempt to please us.

My father watches VHS over composite stretched to 16:9 on a contrast-boosted over-sharpened LCD TV with a terrible black level and he thinks it looks fine.

For the most part, bad releases are released and never revisited.  But as recent history has shown, if the digital butchering is bad enough, and not even the studio apologists can accept it, then the studio will quietly reissue a new release with a remaster.  Sadly not the case for Predator and the Star Trek films though.

When the first Gladiator disc came out, there were a few reviews that claimed "it's not that bad".  I'm not sure how it could be much worse.  I guess Gulliver's Travels?  There was enough furor to influence Universal/Paramount/whoever to do a new remaster not long after.  Similar thing with Gangs of New York too, and LOTR: Fellowship (though that remaster opened another can of worms).  BTTF isn't in that league, however.  It's no Predator UHE.

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#779833
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The Great Escape - Non DNR/Teal and Orange Preservation (* unfinished project *)
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I started working on this too.  When I rip to MKV, it's fine, but when I extract the h264 stream and when I insert into Premiere, it plays like garbage, often with missed or repeated frames.  I'm glad I'm not the only one as I was starting to question my computer.

Any idea what's causing this?

The ripped video stream seems to be correct about 98% of the time, but several times over the course of the film, some frames are duplicated, and then later on, some frames skip, bringing it back into sync.

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#779796
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Info: Back to the Future - without DNR & EE
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The DCP is not the same master as the Blu-ray.  The proportions and framing are different.  It is in fact the 2002 DVD master.

DCP/DVD:

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?disc1=881&disc2=4005&cap1=8650&cap2=37194&art=full&image=7&hd_multiID=958&action=1&lossless=

DCP/Blu-ray:

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?disc1=4005&disc2=874&cap1=37194&cap2=8574&art=full&image=7&hd_multiID=958&action=1&lossless=#vergleich

crampedmisfit1990 said:

I also heard that they digitally erased some sparks or something by accident in one of the films, I think part III. I forget.

When the DeLorean is driving down the drive-in to go back to 1885, some of the flames are erased.  The same thing happened with the first Gladiator Blu-ray- the dirt removal software erased spears and fireballs.

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#779605
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Info: The films of Sergio Leone - The best available versions...
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Going back to the OP, has anyone else made the "Top Choice" edits for FOD and FAFDM?  I bought the German and US BDs for each and made the appropriate edits:

FOD:

  • Removed embarrassing Tobis distributor title
  • Replaced German titles with English titles - adjusting the faded color of the latter so the reds matched
  • Did not replace ALL titles of the German version, such as the co-stars which listed their full names in the German version (such as Siegfried Rupp instead of S. Rupp)
  • Used US title card for Technicolor/Techniscope.  The German one is too cropped on the left.
  • Ending still includes the Italian "FINE".  The equivalent shot from the US Blu-ray is too ugly to use.
  • Does not include MGM logo - film begins and ends with restoration credits
  • English DTS-HD MA Mono only.  I didn't include the 5.1 because I didn't see the point.

FAFDM:

  • Removed Tobis distributor title
  • Replaced German intro card about bounty killers with English intro card
  • English DTS-HD MA Mono

I have a Mondo BD coming in the mail in the next week or so.  I plan on editing it as well to insert in the English titles and text from the US remaster, and sync it to TheHutt's mono mix.

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#776671
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Info Wanted: 'LOTR - FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING': Green tint removed?
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kk650 said:

Danfun128 said:

jimbotron235 said:

Since the theatrical cut Blu-ray is a DNR mess, does anyone know if there exists a restoration of the theatrical cut using a de-greened recut of the extended version?  If not, that's something I'd like to tackle.

There are a couple scenes in the theatrical that aren't in the extended. Gimli's "These are the elves. We should go back." comes to mind.

That is a good point. Gandalf's entrance into Hobbiton is also quite different between the two cuts.

Hm, I wonder just how much they are different.  I haven't spent much time doing a shot-for-shot comparison.  If I only have to settle for a minute or two of the DNRed footage, then I still consider it worth it.

Fellowship is the only movie of the three where I prefer the extended cut over the theatrical, but I want the theatrical cut for posterity, and the original master is too awful to enjoy.

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#776670
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Info Wanted: 'LOTR - FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING': Green tint removed?
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kk650 said:

jimbotron235 said:

Since the theatrical cut Blu-ray is a DNR mess, does anyone know if there exists a restoration of the theatrical cut using a de-greened recut of the extended version?  If not, that's something I'd like to tackle.

Not that i'm aware of. What de-greened recut of the extended edition are you planning to use as your source, the high quality hdtv transport stream that was floating around a few years back or something else?

I'd refer to your regraded cut first, otherwise I'd try de-greening a Blu-ray rip myself.

For any shots from the theatrical cut not found in the extended cut (such as the shifted title drop), I would source the original Blu-ray or an HDTV rip (which I don't currently have.)