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#1454438
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Dune - Denis Villeneuve
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I like the colours, they’re a lot more authentic to what a real desert looks like. It’s not like the colours were actually toned down, that’s really how they look in real life and I’m fine with that.

I don’t get what’s so bad about Kynes being gender swapped. As long as they keep the personality and role of Kynes, which they did, gender and race are superficial details which do however make large portions of the audience feel more included.

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#1454433
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Dune - Denis Villeneuve
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I just watched David Lynch’s Dune, and yeah I don’t think it’s great. I can respect many elements of it but mostly, it just made me want to go back and watch the new one again (which I’ll do anyway!) I’m not sure why you still prefer it Ronster, as almost all of your criticisms of Villenueve’s Dune I can find in the 1984 version, only much worse.

I feel that the roles of Liet, Gurney, Thufir and Duncan are drastically reduced in the film. I think we get a brief explanation of the Mentat abilities but as to Thufir’s character, we don’t see him offering his resignation as we do in the 2021 film and he suffers as a sympathetic character. I wasn’t really touched by Gurney and Duncan’s relationship with Paul as I was with the 2021 film. With Liet, we don’t see him making that important decision to help the Atreides against his orders and we don’t see his death, either - he is quickly forgotten about. At least Gurney has his baliset in this version, even though he doesn’t play it! Hoping that’ll be a feature of Dune part 2.

The Harkonnens in the 1984 Dune I found to be the opposite of intimidating, they’re just goofy and beyond cartoonish. I really don’t get what it is with the ginger hair, the bright green interiors and the constant evil cackling. I liked the exterior shots of Geidi Prime but the design of the planet in the new film is miles more sinister, as are the Harkonnens. You don’t make compelling villains by constantly making them look stupid.

It’s fair to say there is so much missed out of the film. Leto and Jessica’s relationship lacked any depth at all for me, in the book and new movie we see how Leto separates her mother and Bene Gesserit identities and responsibilities, not entirely trusting her to do the right things for Paul. It adds so much complexity. I don’t dislike Kylo McLaughlin as Paul, but Timothee’s performance so far is leagues ahead. He’s able to sell the burdened and frightened aspects of Paul as well as the darkness within him which was missing from the 1984 film. That said, Kyle McLaughlin isn’t given as much opportunity - for example, we don’t have the scene where Paul screams in terror at the vision of fanatic legions waging holy war in his name. And take the iconic Gom Jabbar scene: in Lynch’s version, the Reverend Mother actually describes the mounting pain Paul is feeling, while we have fairly monotone voiceover narration from Jessica thoughts, which tells us she fears for Paul’s life. In Villenueve’s version, it is the performances which communicate all this information - particularly how Timothee’s acting communicates perfectly what level of pain he’s in, and how one stare from him shifts the entire balance of power in the scene. In my opinion, Lynch’s total reliance on voiceover throughout his movie versus Villenueve’s visual storytelling is perhaps the main deciding factor for which is the better film.

Didn’t hate the 1984 version though. I loved seeing Jürgen Prochnow from Das Boot as Leto, I think that was a great casting choice. The soundtrack by Toto is really atmospheric, and Brian Eno’s Prophecy Theme does the movie a great service.

Edit: forgot to mention how strange the pacing was. The movie seemed to get faster and faster as if in a rush to get it over with. To me it’s obvious splitting the film into two halves was the right approach. Dune part one, while only adapting half the story, is even longer than the 1984 version and it STILL had to cut out a truckload of stuff. That’s worth thinking about.

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#1454237
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<strong>Ahsoka</strong> (live action series) - general discussion thread
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Ok, so, Anakin… are we thinking Clone Wars flashback, or force ghost, or both?

I think it depends on where the focus of the story is. If it’s more of a character study series which explores that broken relationship of Ahsoka and Anakin, I can imagine flashbacks to revisit their bond during the war, then Anakin appears as a force ghost near the end and they reconcile. We certainly couldn’t have a series just about that though. Seeing as it’s likely we’ll get TCW flashbacks in Obi-Wan Kenobi anyway, I bet Hayden will just be playing force ghost Anakin.

The Special Edition Changes Strike Back…

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#1454233
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Dune - Denis Villeneuve
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Ronster said:

it has been dumbed down and reduced to a shallower paddling pool rather than an ocean of information.

Doesn’t this happen with every novel adaptation? It’s kind of in the nature of translating a book full of information to a visual medium. Things need to be communicated visually, such as Thufir’s special/unnatural ability to recite such precise information as I mentioned. Perhaps this isn’t such a problem with the 1984 film, I haven’t watched it just yet, but I know most of the complaints say it’s overstuffed and too confusing. I think the new movie has avoided being overstuffed and just barely avoided being too confusing.

That said, although I love the new film I do think we should get a long director’s cut and/or deleted scenes. I get the feeling a lot was cut, perhaps material containing a lot of the information you thought was lacking. Duncan’s actor Jason Momoa has advocated for a director’s cut, which he suggests could be “four-to-six” hours long.

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#1454187
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Dune - Denis Villeneuve
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Ronster said:

And thats a big problem concerning the factions like the bene geserit, spacing guild and the mentats there really is no explaination about them and they get no screen time at all even the Harkonen are not really fleshed out in any particular fashion and Gurney basically does nothing too.

I’ve seen a few reactions now from newcomers saying the movie was well made, but they need to rewatch it as there was a lot of information to comprehend. Dune has always been information-dense and that’s one of the reasons why it’s been difficult to adapt. I don’t remember hearing any spoken info about the Guild or smugglers and I think leaving them out of the worldbuilding, at least for now, is an unfortunate but necessary sacrifice as even more factions to keep track of (especially if they aren’t that important to the story yet) would have exacerbated the problem of non-book readers struggling.

I liked how the Bene Gesserit and the mentats are handled however. We see Thufir’s eyes roll into his head near the start as he precisely recites information, which gives you a visual sense of the Mentat ability without having to explain it (show not tell after all), and I think we see and hear enough about the Bene Gesserit to get a sense of their organisation without it losing its mystery.

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#1453835
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Dune - Denis Villeneuve
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https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/oct/20/dune-review-denis-villeneuves-awe-inspiring-epic-is-a-moment-of-triumph

Dune review – Denis Villeneuve’s awe-inspiring epic is a moment of triumph (⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐) by Peter Bradshaw

Or if you prefer video reviews…

https://youtu.be/zYVgbAF-JIs

Dune - movie review by Jeremy Jahns

“it’s not a movie you watch, it’s a world you experience”

Reminder to see ‘Dune’, preferably in a cinema, as it’s only meant to be part 1 and Dune part 2 won’t be made unless the first film is a success! I’m seeing it in an IMAX screen tomorrow and will undoubtedly drag my friends to see it at some point as well. Very excited!

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#1453824
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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RicOlie_2 said:

keep in mind that humour usually involves making fun of people and it doesn’t make people anti-whatever-they’re-making-fun-of:

Generally sure, but Chappelle literally says “I’m team TERF”. There’s no joke there, he’s just announcing he’s transphobic.

There’s a good Terry Pratchett quote the situation made me think of: “Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it’s not satire, it’s bullying.” And we should all know how much the trans community are hurting. Dave Chappelle has a lot of power and influence as a prominent comedian and he should use that platform for good instead of attacking a marginalised group.

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#1453786
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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JackNapier said:

Boycott Transphobic Netflix who are backing an anti trans comedian! Fuck Netflix!!!

I heard about this. Never watched Dave Chappelle and never going to now, it sounds like a lot of his current comedy is built off so-called ‘commentary’ on LGBTQ+ people, with transphobic and homophobic jokes, and straight up saying he’s ‘Team TERF’. I know the usual discourse will be around cancel culture, but come on guys, we do need to see some accountability and meaningful consequences for being a bigot. Intolerance shouldn’t still be tolerated in this day and age.

If we want to talk about what cancel culture really looks like, maybe let’s turn to how Netflix fired the organiser of a ‘trans walkout’ in peaceful protest of Dave Chappelle’s comments and Netflix’s defence of him.

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#1453740
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Stardust1138 said:

The Sequels and Disney era are more openly political and coming from someone who doesn’t really get into politics I find it to be sometimes off putting.

I actually think that Disney era star wars stories in general are really far less political than what’s come before and relevant political undertones are really lacking. The prequels and TCW are the most political imo. What do you find political about, for example, the sequels?

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#1452307
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Unpopular Opinion Thread
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fmalover said:

The lightsaber duel between Rey and Kylo was well done, no doubt about it, but my biggest problem with it perfectly summed up by Snoke: “Bested by a girl who had never held a lightsaber.”

I definitely think this is a storytelling problem, as it means we know Rey can defeat Kylo anyway and there are therefore far lower stakes when she’s trying to convince Luke to train her. I’m still in admiration though that TLJ took this common complaint and actually incorporated it into the plot of the film. It’s clearly a sore topic for Kylo when Snoke brings it up and highlights how his inner conflict is holding him back.

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#1452150
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Are there any new <strong>Star Wars Books</strong> coming out soon? a general book discussion thread
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Ever since I heard Lando’s line in TROS, “Luke and I were tailing a Jedi hunter…” I’ve wanted that story to be told. I’m glad we’re finally getting it. Most looking forward to ‘Shadow of the Sith’!

Great to hear that Jake Bartok has been employed to contribute to Stories of Jedi and Sith as well. He’s a fantastic artist.

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#1452148
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<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
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oojason said:

as well as seeing the Rebel Alliance slowly start to form.

I know I have a tendency to insufferably bang on about the series sometimes, but surely we already have Star Wars Rebels for this? It’s not quite the comprehensive guide as it focuses on one cell - Phoenix Squadron - through to the Alliance’s formation, leaving room for other stories, but at the same time I’d guess Andor won’t try to focus so much on the same aspect.

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#1451713
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Unpopular Opinion Thread
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fmalover said:

I didn’t know the term was taboo 'round here.

Sorry to briefly go off-topic again, but it’s not that it’s taboo or anything, just that I don’t like it. Perhaps ‘social justice warrior’ used to make fun of people whose activism - while perhaps morally correct - is all online, and annoyingly relentless and self-righteous. Now I almost always see it used for people who just want social justice, particularly diversity in storytelling, when that is completely justified. The term has become near-meaningless, outdated, and I resent still having to see it on a regular basis.

I can see why you’d find Rose’s line “that’s how we’re gonna win: not fighting what we hate…” etc idealistic. Personally, I don’t see that as a problem, since a lot of Star Wars is idealistic anyway. My problem is it’s a bit corny and contradicts Finn’s arc across the film: saving what/who he loves (Rey) instead of fighting the First Order is exactly what Rose stops him from doing at the start of TLJ.

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#1451090
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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fmalover said:

Based on the post-credits scene of the season 2 finale of The Mandalorian, I assume Boba Fett will take on the criminal underworld with Fennec Shand as his right-hand using Jabba’s Palace as his base of operations. Is my assessment wrong?

I believe we’ve heard some rumours about it being about Boba getting revenge of people who have wronged him, so yeah that sounds about right to me.

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#1450911
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I Love the Dave Filoni Cartoons... But the Character Design is Pretty Bad
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I’m surprised you don’t like how the characters look in Rogue One - they were all designed to fit with the original trilogy aesthetic as much as possible. Actors for the Rebel pilots (or at least, the male ones) were even told to grow sideburns and moustaches to make it seem like a 70s movie. I personally think the film’s costume design nails the A New Hope vibe on the head.

I kind of get what you mean about the animated series character design though. It’s not that I dislike some of the more modern haircuts for characters - think of Howzer from The Bad Batch, for example - but can’t see them fitting in the original trilogy much either. Some clones do have some pretty silly haircuts which I dislike, but by and large I think TCW does alright at the costume design - although it’s hard to translate animated designs over to live action in your head sometimes. Rebels is a different matter. Although I’m a Rebels fan, particularly in the past I’ve thought that the colourful designs for characters such as Ezra and Kanan were too garish and cartoony (now I don’t mind it, I’ve gotten very used to the show’s own aesthetic). I do however disagree about Sabine’s design: she actually has my favourite character design out of all the Ghost crew. I’ve always loved the season 3 hairstyle in particular, although you’re right in saying that’s much more modern and again, doesn’t really carry across well to the original movies’ design sensibilities.

I think it can be agreed that many character designs look like they don’t belong in the universe as depicted by the OT. But I think the real question is whether it matters or not. Most characters from the movies in 1977 and the early 80s have haircuts that would have been commonplace around that time, because while Star Wars is set in a fictional galaxy, it definitely reflects the real world and the time in which it’s made. The same goes for modern star wars content, just fashion and design sensibilities have changed somewhat. I don’t mind that.

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#1450859
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<strong>Star Wars: Visions</strong> (animated short films) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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I’m thinking of moving Akakiri up my list. Since I watched it, I’ve known something felt off to me but it was hard to pinpoint. I actually really like the animation style and find it quite charming. I love the homage to The Hidden Fortress with the two 3P0 and R2 esque peasant characters. I find Tsubaki and Misa to be really interesting characters with great designs and their story in the episode was great. It just feels like good story ideas were packed into too small a run time, and presented in a slightly confusing way. I’m not sure the pacing entirely worked for me either. But I’ll need to rewatch it.

I’ll maybe put it above Tatooine Rhapsody for now.

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#1450759
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<strong>Star Wars: Visions</strong> (animated short films) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Alright, I’ve watched them all so it’s ranking time…

1: The Ninth Jedi
2. The Village Bride
3. The Elder
4. The Duel
5. T0-B1
6. Tatooine Rhapsody
7. Akakiri
8. The Twins
9. Lop and Ocho

LOVED The Elder. A very touching master-apprentice relationship between Dan and Tajin. I thought it was great that Dan’s insecurity about not being too strong in the Force is hinted at near the start (as he doesn’t sense the ‘disturbance’), the Elder teases him about it, and yet Tajin reassures him at the end that it’s part of the learning process and Dan will soon grow beyond him. Dan had a lot of respect for Tajin I think so that was a very nice scene. It reminded me of the ‘We are what they grow beyond’ quote from TLJ.

voltwaffle said:

The Elder
Perfect Prequel-era story with a delightfully evil villain. 10/10

Unless this is what you meant by prequel era, I’d say it’s maybe more accurate to call it a High Republic era story or a couple hundred years before it. I think it would fit in quite nicely there.

I’ve already given some thoughts on The Village Bride so I’ll just touch on my top #1, The Ninth Jedi. I suppose I can’t say much other than I’d love a sequel, the director apparently would love a sequel, and loads of other fans would love a sequel too. I don’t know what form that would take - another short if we get a season 2 of Visions, perhaps, but if I was being very optimistic I’d say a full anime miniseries would work great. I just think the worldbuilding, the quality of storytelling, and the character work especially on Juro and Kara is outstanding and the best of the bunch. I liked how it incorporated elements of the main Star Wars timeline and combined them with newly imagined elements. I also really liked its ideas around how a person’s strength with, and relationship to, the Force has an effect on their lightsaber. In canon, I believe this idea has only really been touched on in Rebels and it’s a shame this isn’t a bigger feature in other Star Wars stories.

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#1450112
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<strong>Star Wars: Visions</strong> (animated short films) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Watched the first four shorts so far. Quick thoughts:

The Duel: this was awesome. Great way to start off the season. Homage to old samurai films like Yojimbo. super cool visually with only a few colours appearing contrasting with the black and white as well as the shadows which look like they’re drawn with charcoal, and I love the character design. I loved how it was set in a post-war landscape, with details like the bandits wearing stormtrooper helmets left over from “the war”. I’m really intrigued by the character of the Ronin and the short was almost like a very effective teaser for the novel by Emma Mieko Candon that’s releasing soon.

Tatooine Rhapsody: was fun, although cheesy and somewhat cliché. I first watched the english dub of this one to hear Tem Morrison as Boba, which was cool - albeit brief. I can’t say much about it - Studio Colorido just went for a short and sweet feel-good short just having a bit of fun with the Star Wars galaxy. Not my favourite but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

The Twins: this short is absolutely insane. I can’t even comprehend how much sense it doesn’t make. Studio Trigger know their audience and it sounds like they deliberately made something so ridiculously over the top it’s entertaining. Following any semblance of logic is just limiting creativity. Anyway, the premise was interesting enough, and I’m happy we got at least one short with exaggerated character expressions, camera movement (as well as exaggerated everything else). I can’t really describe how dumb and funny this one is, I think you just have to watch it.

The Village Bride: a beautiful and touching short which reminded me Hayao Miyazaki’s work. Its characters have a deep respect and love for nature, and the surrounding country landscapes and animated beautifully with really vibrant colours. It draws a clear connection between nature and the Force (the phrase “one with the Force” is substituted with “one with the planet” at one point) and indicates a traditional underlying theme in Star Wars - good people live in harmony with nature, while the bad form its very antithesis. The antagonists use battle droids and other technology to oppress a local village, while the Jedi protagonist draws her power from nature. The story in this one is fairly simple, and very clear cut, but executed in a magical way. This is my favourite so far.

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#1449837
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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Stardust1138 said:

Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan dying in the first two trilogies serves the narrative in the subsequent two films in their trilogies.

I believe Han, Luke and Leia’s deaths serve the narrative just as much. Han dying furthers Ben’s arc, as he goes deeper into the dark side after killing his father - taking that extra step - but is also more conflicted. Rey also loses her newfound father figure and it gives her good reason to hate Kylo Ren on a personal level in the next film.

Luke’s death doesn’t serve the narrative as much - he could have survived into the next film. However, there’s nothing edgy about it. Luke’s death is symbolic of him putting his trust in Rey and passing the torch down to the next Jedi; I also find it beautiful that he dies just as he regains the inner peace and heroic purpose he’d been missing for many years.

Leia’s death is the short term cause of Ben finally turning back to the light. He realises how much he is moved by her death, showing him that despite his best efforts, he too is ‘vulnerable’ to love just as Vader was; he also realises how much he feels he should carry on what she fought for and give up his identity as Kylo Ren. This is strongly implied in the scene with Han’s ghost/memory/vision thing.