imperialscum

It is as good as the other two.

Bingowings said:
Creatures, they look too cartoonish and being rendered as CGI does make the the world seem less physically real than even the plastic fantastic of ROTJ.

Well to be fair, creatures in ANH looked worse than the one in ROTJ.

LexX said:

By those comments, Luke is more spoiled than Leia. He whine’s about the Falcon too, + a lot of other stuff if you’ve noticed, makes not so nice comments to Han etc. And he didn’t have crap in the desert.

Luke was complaining because of the obvious rip-off price. That gives someone a good ground for complaint. And the fact that he “didn’t have crap in the desert” makes the complaints even more warranted. On the other hand, Leia’s complaints had no real ground.

Bingowings said:

No that’s where you are just plain wrong. She is a Senator who is captured in an act of espionage and is a leader in military resistance to the Empire. She can resist Vader’s powers and standard Imperial interrogation techniques and is really handy with a gun. So not just some posh Princess. She isn’t even that posh when she is talking to Han and Luke.

Interrogation was basically purely on mental level and it doesn’t mean too much in this context. She could simply be good at resisting truth serum. It is not like she was being beaten up. Same goes for her skill with a gun. It doesn’t mean a thing as she could as well gain that skill on luxury “safari” hunts.

The thing is that she is plain annoying after she is being rescued. With that kind of annoying attitude and lack of charisma, it is really implausible that she would be able to lead anyone. But anyway, she didn’t need to as she was a spy in elite circles.

ray_afraid said:

imperialscum said:

We first meet her as a spoiled royalty in ANH.

imperialscum said:

She seems like a high-ranking rebel… Actually, she seems exactly what Vader labelled her: a rebel spy.

You’ve already disagreed with yourself.
So is she “spoiled royalty” or a “high-ranking rebel spy”?
Answer if ya wanna, but I couldn’t care any less.

Disagreed in what sense? Being a royalty of a planet and a galactic senator are privileged positions that can more then support one in being spoiled. Being high-ranking member of rebellion does not undermine that position. Espionage activities on that kind of level really isn’t any kind of “down-to-earth” job that would require one to get their hands dirty.

ray_afraid said:

My point is that she isn’t some posh princess when we meet her in ANH.

And that is where we disagree.

MrVess said:

To name just a few:

The stormtroopers’ animals.
All the cleanups, fixes, enhancements, remastering, restoration…
Kenobi’s hut.
Cloud City.
Tractor beams.
Blast doors.
Fight expansions.
Removal of the cardboard “audience”.
Vader’s landing.
Numerous small expansions in too many scenes to be listed.
The Further Adventures of Oola.
Fett getting definitely, certainly, indubitably killed. This dull background noncharacter annoys me extremely; frankly I’d like the 2007 edition to have a scene of him getting dissolved by stomach acids, so that no Expanded Universe garbage could ever get away with resurrecting him.
More Tatooine.
Removal of the horrid Ewok song.

You have a good taste.

TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

I must say that I am not inherently against CGI as most of people here.

That’s an awful broad brush you’re using.

I am not using a brush. I am using a paint roller.

I think in ANH there is actually no evidence she is any kind of military leader. She seems like a high-ranking rebel with non-military role. Actually, she seems exactly what Vader labelled her: a rebel spy.

DuracellEnergizer said:

imperialscum said:

And btw, “her people” were all blown up in ANH.

I doubt Leia was the only Alderaanian offworld when the planet went kablooie.

Oh I am sure those were extremely eager to get back together to be ruled by someone.

LexX said:

imperialscum said:

We first meet her as a spoiled royalty in ANH.

Leia never seemed to be a spoilt royalty, what do you mean? She shoots stormtroopers, doesn’t break even under torture (who knows for how long), leads her rescuers into a garbage chute and is more on the point of what’s happening than her rescuers, while always thinking the best for the rebellion.

She has ungrateful attitude when she is rescued, she insults Chewie, she tries to boss around Han, she complains about the Falcon, etc.

Tobar said:

imperialscum said:

The old EU actually made the final transformation, i.e. into a politician in republic/democracy which is a direct opposite of her status at the beginning of ANH.

Senator Leia Organa said:

I don’t know what you’re talking about. I am a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan…

That is like saying “I am a member of the Nazi Germany Senate”.

John Doom said:

To me, yes, but mostly to avoid retconning Leia’s character. Instead, her becoming queen in ROTJ (as suggested by Kurtz) and proving worthy of the title protecting her people against the Empire, would’ve made for a better character development and a better end to her narrative arc.

I think the whole queen crap is ridiculous. It would make the rebellion stupid. They were fighting to get rid of dictatorship, not to go from empire to monarchy. And btw, “her people” were all blown up in ANH.

The way it is now makes for a far better character development. We first meet her as a spoiled royalty in ANH. By the time of ESB she seemed to have become respected by the rebels because of her skill rather than the fact that she was once a princess. In ESB she even hates it when Han calls her princess, which implicates she put that stuff behind her and that she is not proud of it. The old EU actually made the final transformation, i.e. into a politician in republic/democracy which is a direct opposite of her status at the beginning of ANH.

DuracellEnergizer said:

TV’s Frink said:

^Burn the witch!

I’d prefer to be referred to as “wizard” or “warlock”, thank you very much.

We did not ask you for your preference.

TV’s Frink said:

ROTJ is in play, at least.

Depends on the individual opinion I would say.

DuracellEnergizer said:

ray_afraid said:

Why do people feel the need to have big pictures or walls of text in their signatures?
It’s very annoying.

In regards to the former, we’d all resize them if we could.

Well just don’t put images into signature. Unless image height is 10 pixels, it is annoying.

DominicCobb said:

In moderation a character with those traits can still be likable. But I see those qualities as natural for a young Vader.

Well in theory execution could make him sort of likeable but in the end a person with those kind of traits (I also forgot to add “selfishness”) simply cannot be the decent/good person that Obi-Wan talked to Luke about in ANH.

I feel that his traits and the concept of his fall should completely different. A very good example of how it could be done is a back-story to KOTOR1.

generalfrevious said:

Did anyone celebrate Columbus Day last week? Because he was the greatest mass murderer in history pre-20th century. He was the father of imperialism, and completely indefensible as a person. Nearly all of the native population in the Americas was wiped out by diseases he brought over from Europe, the tailspin of the sixth mass extinction started here, and the Atlantic slave trade could not have existed without him. If the masses knew the truth about Columbus it would produce anti-american sentiment at home, so they have to lie about the man to keep the country in line. Columbus wasn’t the Stalin of the 15th century; instead, Stalin was the Columbus of the 20th century.

A “father of imperialism”? Don’t be ridiculous. He was rather insignificant. Especially when it comes to North America where the real genocide happened after the “colonial era” / “independece”.

DominicCobb said:
Lucas’s concept was not to make him an annoying jerk however. He wanted Anakin to be hotheaded, reckless, and a little power hungry - all of which makes sense for the character. He just executed it in such a (poor) way that Anakin came across as an annoying jerk.

Those three things you mentioned are the ingredients of “annoying jerk” cocktail. And you forgot to add “ungrateful” and “jealous” to the mix. All these negative characteristics plays an important role in the storyline of AOTC and ROTS, therefore they are clearly on a conceptual level.

Execution just amplified those things and added whining and teen-rage through acting/dialogue.

Octorox said:

Honestly the plots of all three of these movies are relatively straightforward. It’s the execution that muddles them. I kind of differ from a lot of people here in that I think 99% of the problems with the prequels are execution problems, not conceptual ones.

Well Anakin being an annoying jerk instead of good person was a conceptual problem. And him being an annoying jerk is pretty much the only real problem of PT as far as I am concerned. Of course bad acting and bad dialogue concerning his character amplified things, but in the end it was a conceptual problem to begin with.

Thank you for sharing this life-changing insight with us.

SilverWook said:

Don’t feed the troll. 😉

Well they have to eat too.

OmitWandKenopf said:
take ker byyyee!

You can go, reassured that you won’t be missed. 😃

I think Coruscant was good. Especially in AOTC. I must say that I am not inherently against CGI as most of people here.

Harmy said:
This also shows that Lucas has always been a great idea-man - he had a lot of help writing the script for Star Wars and for the other two he only wrote the story outline and had someone else write the actual script and direct and if he did the same with Episode 2, it could have been a great film.

I agree that AOTC had overall a good storyline. I think it could have been a very enjoyable film if the main character was a decent person. However Anakin was written as an extremely annoying jerk. That, combined with whiny and teen-rage acting, made the film unbearable.

Harmy said:
This also shows that Lucas has always been a great idea-man - he had a lot of help writing the script for Star Wars and for the other two he only wrote the story outline and had someone else write the actual script and direct and if he did the same with Episode 2, it could have been a great film.

I must point out that in AOTC Lucas actually had a screenwriter helping him. In addition, Lucas was involved in writing the screenplay of ESB and ROTJ.