As I said in some other thread. Hayden's portrayal of Anakin was perfect according to how Lucas wrote him.
Ryan McAvoy said:
In the PT they got Anakin being arrogant right but they forgot that he needed to be a badass and likeable rogue to counteract this character trait so, we the audience would identify with him.
Instead Lucas made him annoying, ungrateful, hypocritical and whiny. The PT was supposed to be a story about good man turning bad. In reality the PT was a story of how a complete jerk (PT Anakin) turned into one of the most likeable and badass characters in film history (OT Vader).
The fall to the dark side wasn't a tragedy. It was a big change for the better.
Ryan McAvoy said:
I love it. It might not be the most realistic but it certainly is a great adventure. So many WW2 video games were inspired by this film (RTCW, Commandos etc.)
Ronster said:
It might make sense by the last film?
Watching films correctly (in order of release) and starting with EP4... I doubt it would make sense in ROTJ. It would make sense after people watched ROTS yes.
Well it is not completely dumb idea, considering it is PT related. Of course I would not accept it in reality. Still, you need to consider that OT is to be watched first and PT second. I don't know if this change would make any sense to the audience when viewing the films in correct order (ie order of release).
Ryan McAvoy said:
imperialscum said:
In my opinion, nothing ever came close to Star Wars OT.
Probably true but I did say "Clos-est".
Come on imperialscum you must have had one other movie that was somewhere on the SW funscale...
Well I thought you wanted films that were like Star Wars.
Obviously I enjoy other films as much as Star Wars. Alien Trilogy would be one.
In my opinion, nothing ever came close to Star Wars OT.
Ryan McAvoy said:
Wanted to see this for ages, as it's the only other major role Hayden Christensen ever got. Must have been hard for a new young actor to star in two of the last decades' biggest films, then the phone never rings again (Feel bad for him).
Well I kinda feel sorry for him too. I think he is not that bad as an actor. I actually think he did a good job in the prequels. He had to portray this extremely annoying and repulsive character and he did it perfectly.
Mielr said:
I feel sorry for both of you. ;-)
Please don't.
I am actually happy that I saw the films at home. That way I could watch them without waiting. Actually I could not resit but to watch ROTJ immediately after ESB (I still have a habit to watch them together). I can't imagine having to wait 3 years in-between.
:)
I am not old enough. :)
darth_ender said:
But Adywan started a thread on the new series Rebels. And immediately many folks say it will suck.
It is not like people say it just like that... they have been experiencing disappointment after disappointment for more than 10 years. Any kind of statistical algorithm would make the same kind of prediction based on that kind of previous experience/data.
georgec said:
'94-'99. Peak of SW fandom in my book. Great EU, great games, and no prequels.
For me it was 2000-2006. The 1997 SE was released on VHS and games like JK2, JKA, KOTOR, KOTOR2 and EAW were released.
Newton explained it very well in Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica. So ill adhere to his explanation thank you.
Bingowings said:
This conversation is pointless in my opinion
Now THAT is an opinion. Can you try to explain how could this specific opinion be wrong or inaccurate?
Bingowings said:
You may hold the opinion that the laws of gravity only apply to other people.
That is not an opinion. That is a claim.
Don't be ridiculous. Opinion can't be inaccurate, less so wrong. Having an opinion of something is what you think about about something. No matter what that something is. You may change your opinion when that something changes or updates. But never will be opinion wrong or inaccurate. It is what you think at the given situation.
Bingowings said:
No I just illustrated my point.
People form opinions on what they know.
If they know little or what they know is wrong their opinion will be inaccurate.
The knowledge is inaccurate... the opinion can't be.
Bingowings said:
Anyone can hold any point of view but some will be more accurate than others.
I hope you are joking, for the sake of your intelligence.
Now don't be stupid... opinion is opinion. One can't be more accurate than the other. And most certainly an opinion can't be wrong.
Whoever uses word "overrated" is a complete jerk in my book. By saying that something is overrated, one directly implies that he/she regards his opinion more valid than the opinions of so many others.
It is not that we hate the prequels. We just express our opinion of them. And then intolerant PT fanboys attack us because they can not deal with the fact that people can have different opinions. On top of that they call us "haters".
Bingowings said:
In my ideal PT Yoda isn't even in it.
We are are obviously meant to be surprised by Yoda's appearance in ESB so the PT spoils the surprise.
PT ruins a lot of things, even if it is watched in correct order (that is after OT).
In my opinion, the whole idea of direct prequels is stupid. When you watch OT your imagination makes a picture of what happened before (for example when Obi-Wan is telling Luke about the past). Then the prequels are going to compete with that imagination and people will be disappointed, naturally. Not to mention PT trying explain stuff from OT and ruining things (midichlorians crap etc.)
A distant prequel is far better idea (KOTOR game for example).
Bingowings said:
Also for the last time Vader also assumes that Luke AND Leia have some innate strength to destroy the Emperor.
If Luke doesn't turn he will turn Leia (Vader doesn't make empty threats).
Sure he is hoping this will snap Luke and turn him to his way of thinking but if it doesn't Leia is clearly Plan B.
Even Luke says so.
He says to her that she is the last hope for the alliance because she has the magic wish power too.
Not Admiral Ackbar or Lando but his sister.
She has the ability (according to him) without Ben or Yoda to train her.
It doesn't have anything to do with inheritance.
Vader actually experienced/felt Luke's strength in the force. He didn't make any assumptions.
When he said to Luke that perhaps Leia will turn if he won't... it doesn't explicitly say that he will use her powers nor that she is even strong in the force. It was just a threat.
When Luke says to Liea that she is the only hope for Alliance, he doesn't make an assumption that she inherited force powers. He too experienced/felt her having them.
Bingowings said:
Leia doesn't though does she?
The assumption is made by both Ben and Vader that any offspring of Anakin's would be a threat to the Emperor (who knows this) because of their mutual Force strength.
For the last time now... Anakin's offspring were a threat to the Emperor BUT in sense of triggering Anakin's return. The fact is that this is what actually killed Emperor.
On the other hand, possible inheritance of force powers (which you aim at) was never explicitly mentioned in the films NOR does it play any role in Emperor's eventual demise.
End of discussion.
Bingowings said:
Ben and Vader assume that Luke and Leia are 'strong in the Force' without training.
Stronger than Han or Chewie or Sy Snootles or Cliff Richard.
They don't assume anything... it is a fact that can be seen and sensed. Luke demonstrates his abilities throughout the trilogy. Liea shows her ability when she can sense Luke through the force on Bespin. And nothing in the trilogy explicitly states that they inherited their abilities from their father.
The quote "The force runs strong in your family" can be purely an observation of the facts that can be noticed.
Since you still don't get it... Luke, Leia and Vader all wear blue shirt. An observation of facts would be "Skywalker family wears blue shirts". Now does that explicitly tell you that they were born in blue shirt?
