imperialscum

Hey, it's me. said:

imperialscum said:

Mrebo said:

Shopkeeper threatened with arrest for displaying hateful t-shirt.

This is one of the most idiotic things I have ever seen. Just what the hell is wrong with that shirt?

"Obey our laws"? Should people not obey the laws? I guess a criminal reported him to the police because he finds obeying the laws offensive...

"Respect our beliefs"? So everyone should respect immigrants' beliefs while demanding them to respect others is something offensive?

This is precisely the sort of liberal left wing pc crap people have had enough of. 

The main job of the liberals is to protect the intolerant and label "racist" anyone who has reasonable complaints. A first class hypocrites.

Mrebo said:

Shopkeeper threatened with arrest for displaying hateful t-shirt.

This is one of the most idiotic things I have ever seen. Just what the hell is wrong with that shirt?

"Obey our laws"? Should people not obey the laws? I guess a criminal reported him to the police because he/she finds obeying the laws offensive...

"Respect our beliefs"? So everyone should respect immigrants' beliefs while demanding them to respect others is something offensive?

Mrebo said:

I don't think we've yet referred to Buddhist extremists in this thread.

They should also investigate what prompted them to do such things. Usually the media produce one-sided news. Not because they would be biased but simply because it makes the news more striking and sensational.

TV's Frink said:

Mrebo said:

And liberals love non-Christian religions.

Well that's a broad brush...I hate all religions. :p

And you were the one calling people racist and such. Hypocrite.

Hey, it's me. said:

21th century? Didnt know you had lisp Impscum?? Lol

Sorry, 21st. I was a bit drunk. :)

If you bring people with 13th century menatality into the 21th century you are bound to have trouble.

I watch OT once a year. Usually, ANH one night and ESB and ROTJ together the other night.

I watched The Fall (2006). I liked it. I am not sure how I haven't heard of it before.

Bingowings said:

The general ethos of Scotland is of the Northern European Socialist model.

I might be completely wrong but I was under the impression that UK fuels your current social benefits (such as free universities). Are you sure you are economically strong enough on your own to be able to retain those things or even incorporate more social benefits to follow that ethos?

Bingowings said:

We already have a wide range of political parties. With independence there would be more competition between the left wing parties and the right wing parties would have to think of different policy strategies from their UK counterparts which may lead to actually winning some seats.

Well we too have a wide range of political parties. Their names and rhetoric is different but when they come to power they are all the same. It may be so because of the fact that democracy's main goal is to preserve itself which limits the actions of the government. The other reason is probably because there are so many centre parties (and only them get elected) so then it is the same crap if you get left-centre or right-centre.

I am not arguing that Scotland won't get more political power with independence. I am just saying that you, as a voter, won't get any more power or alternatives.

Bingowings said:

The real loss in sovereign powers has come from the political parties all becoming the same with different colour rosettes.

I agree on that. But do not expect things will change if you become independent. It will just be projected to Scotland level. You will still have parties with no real difference between each other. So in the end whoever you vote you get the same crap.

Well if you guys think that lax immigration regulation and no (or inadequate) integration policies is a good thing, I am okay with that and I respect your opinion. But attacking me because I support a more strict immigration regulation and proper integration policies is stupid and disrespectful. Just because I prefer Japan model to UK/Sweden model doesn't make me intolerant. It is you who are intolerant.

TheBoost said:

imperialscum said:

Okay again.

I do not see benefits of lax immigration policies. I support selective immigration. If a country is in need of a few skilled individuals that is completely okay. But to just accept anyone, especially to do less paid jobs (or even worse, to let them live on the state's social support) just because your own people do not wish to do it, that is stupid and could be even considered as an exploitation.

 

So... the unwashed masses are okay, as long as we need their skills. So if another country educates and prepares them, us 1st world nations should sweep in an take them and the benefits they create away, consequently taking a job from a skilled native worker? That's not exploitation?

But the economically disadvantaged of another country can't come here and work jobs we wont do? It's exploitative to have them come here and work, that even at the worst levels provides a better lifestyle than they could often hope for in their countries, but that is exploitative? 

 

It may be considered in both cases. The difference that in the first case I see the benefit while in other two cases I do not. Especially in the case when it is about living on the state's social support.

And as it was already stated, the country does not seek for immigrants as you suggested. It is just a matter of selection of those who wish to immigrate.

darth_ender said:

imperialscum said:

TV's Frink said:

imperialscum said:

TV's Frink said:

Wow, you still can't read!

No offense.

And you still can't write. In proper English it is spelt "offence". :P

Offense intended.

Non taken. Intention failed.

"Non taken" LOL

Oops. I don't know how that E slipped away. :P

TV's Frink said:

imperialscum said:

TV's Frink said:

Wow, you still can't read!

No offense.

And you still can't write. In proper English it is spelt "offence". :P

Offense intended.

Non taken. Intention failed.

Okay again.

I do not see benefits of lax immigration policies. I support selective immigration. If a country is in need of a few skilled individuals that is completely okay. But to just accept anyone, especially to do less paid jobs (or even worse, to let them live on the state's social support) just because your own people do not wish to do it, that is stupid and could be even considered as an exploitation.

And yes, I do not like multiculturalism. Why exactly should I? And why am I getting attacked by intolerant people who consider themselves "tolerant"? I do not treat people who are of different culture bad. I respect them just the same (if they respect me). Actually I love cultures. And that is one of the reasons why I do not like multiculturalism.

TV's Frink said:

Wow, you still can't read!

No offense.

And you still can't write. In proper English it is spelt "offence". :P

Well said adywan. At least someone with common sense.

TV's Frink said:

adywan said:

TV's Frink said:

"Sounds like" is not the same as "is."

well those two statements are exactly the same.

C3 said he sounded like a racist from the Southern US.  Not the same as calling him a racist.

Well either way, C3 wasn't the only one in this thread labelling people racist for no reason. Guess who else did it (in a quite direct manner)?

TV's Frink said:

Racist.

TV's Frink said:

You reading comprehension is pathetic.

JEDIT: Your. :p

Perhaps you should work on your writing skills first. :P

CP3S said:

Yes he is. That is what I mean, the two English guys continually make themselves sound like racist hillbillies from the sticks.

Now you are being insulting and ignorant. I am no racist. Do you even know what the word means?

I only said I do not see the benefits of lax immigration policy and multiculturalism. I would be delighted if you can point me some practical benefits of it. I asked TV's Frink earlier and he couldn't give me anything.

Oh and btw I am not English.

Warbler said:

I am done talking with you.

I am truly sorry to hear that.

darth_ender said:

And I supported my government based on what I believed to be legitimate intelligence.  In retrospect I've learned.  That doesn't mean I believe ever going to war is wrong, but I'm certainly more wary of their intelligence.

That is not the point. You can see a reasonable motive behind it (weapons of mass destruction and "evil" dictator crap) and I too can see reasonable motive behind it (profit, exploitation). But the point is that the invasion was a violation of international laws. It was not approved by UN. Objectively it is just as criminal act as invasion of Poland by Germany and USSR.

darth_ender said:

imperialscum said:

It is interesting to be called a liberal and a bigot in the same post.

It is, isn't it?  It's also true.  That's what bugs me about too many liberals: this self-righteous belief that because they are liberal, they are immune to bigotry

But that is exactly how you and Warbler sound like.

darth_ender said:

But I'm pretty confident it wasn't a 'get rich quick in Iraq's oil fields' scheme.  If so, it was a lousy investment.

That is because you are narrow sighted. It isn't just oil. By going to war you automatically boost your economy.

It is interesting to be called a liberal and a bigot in the same post.

darth_ender said:

I encourage you to actually try to get to know people instead of just a people, and perhaps criticize our government's choices instead of characterizing America as a bunch of stupid hicks.

You and Warbler demonstrated the same arrogance as your governments. And for the most part you supported majority of the bad decisions of your governments.

darth_ender said:

You just do the bad stuff on a global scale and in a little less direct manner.

And those who actually do the killing are of course not doing anything wrong because I've come to believe that the US is evil no matter what good their actions lead to.

I really do not care what you do to yourselves. But I do care when you invade sovereign countries at your own will.

Good and bad action is completely subjective. The United Nations was founded to deal with that kind of stuff and make the judgements. You arrogantly ignored it on every occasion. Do you think you are above everyone? Do you fancy yourself as "world police" or something?