iamweasel

You guys probably already saw this making off (and the completed scene of course):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8mfcS4vci4

I wonder if something like this could be done to ANH:R. For years I thought that new scenes could be added by filming with actors against a green screen, after all, anyone can play Vader and Obi-wan has his head covered, what makes it possible to have someone to play his role too. Not as it was done by FX if Ady doesn’t think it fits, but as something new that could be used to improve the original scene.

What do you guys think?

lantern51 said:

Sent out links to those who have expressed interest in the cut. Just let me know if anyone else would like a link…

Hi, your work sounds really interesting to me. Can you please PM me a link? Thanks !

Telion said:

OK, I’d like to begin with saying this isn’t my idea and it is one from another editor they may or may not be end up using it, but its an idea none the less that I thought might be worth sharing as it requires little to no alterations, to already planned edits.
Rather than having Death Star I and then II the idea is to have the death star damaged or at least only partially
destroyed, and then repaired over the course of ESB to be once again fully operational.

I think this is a great idea !

It is easy to implement, and takes away that unrealistic second death star that was built in no time and it was clearly a proof that GL was out of ideas to be used in ROTJ. And fixes that unrealistic idea that an entire death star was simply vaporized. There should be a giant piece that was still there, despite broken by the big explosion caused by the main reactor (that of course took a big piece of the Death Star, but it didn’t destroy it completely).

In ESB the mentioning of the death star being repaired can be done in the crawl, and that’s it ! You don’t need to change anything else in this movie ! The audience would be expecting to see the repaired death star, but they wouldn’t see it, they would only see it in ROTJ, and it would still be broken, what makes it more realistic due to the size (it is the size of a small moon, something this big can’t be fixed fast).

Besides that, the only thing I would like to see is a fix for Luke becoming a Jedi without finishing his training. In the crawl of ROTJ can be mentioned that Luke returned to Dagobah to finish his training, and the Empire was chasing the rebels across the galaxy. So when ROTJ starts Luke is already a Jedi (some rearranging of the scenes can be done in the way it was done in a previous ROTJ Fanedit, I don’t remember who it was, sorry).

I would love to see your edit, can I get a link please? 😃

That gives me an idea for a ROTJ fan edit. In this one, I would make Leia’s not being Luke’s sister. It is much better and if you took that info from the movie, it doesn’t bring any problems to the new sequel trilogy.

I understand that Leia being Luke’s sister was a really bad decision. Ok, I got it that GL didn’t want to make more Star Wars movies as he intended to, and there wouldn’t be an explanation for the “other” as he intended if he didn’t go for the Leia’s solution.

So what? I would leave this as a mystery. People would argue for years who the “other” was, and if I were GL, I would never give any hint about it. It would also be like: “Is Deckard a replicant or not”? “Would the “other” be related to Skywalker family or not?” “Will the mystery be solved in a new movie if GL ever decides to do it?” There would be novels that would try to explain who the other was, but there would be never an official explanation.

Not only that would not screw things up with Leia and Luke characters, but it would make the history more appealing by leaving things to people’s imagination. But GL decided to destroy his own creation. He’s not much as a writer I guess.

So, anyone got this edit and is willing to share it?

SAMCRO said:

Adywan could change the scene in ANH:RHD so Greedo evades Solo’s shot, too! Actually they could shoot at each other multiple times and always evading the other’s shot until their blasters are empty.

This is a great idea for an edit like the ones Frink does. 😃

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

Valheru_84 said:

Collipso said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered/id/48662 My personal go-to.

Seems like a pretty good edit if I were to choose one. Still not even certain on Ady’s at this stage though seeing it is going to be more of a fan edit than a fan fix like ANH:R and TESB:R were.

Sure ROTJ doesn’t measure up to the other two movies but I never really had any issues with it to the extent I’d rather watch a fan edit over the original theatrical.

.Val

Yeah, this fanedit that I linked is basically RotJ anti-cheese, and how much that improves the movie is almost ridiculous.

Look for more cheese cut and a restructured third act in my new alternate version of this. It will be uploaded in about a week. This last week of school before winter break has been back breaking so can’t find the time to upload.

That’s really great Darthrush, looking forward to see your fanedit. 😃 I just ask (if it is possible) to use torrent to distribute the file, it is easier to people (like me) with bad internet connection.

Valheru_84 said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/STAR-WARS-EP-VI-RETURN-OF-THE-JEDI-REVISITED-EDITIONADYWAN-NOW-IN-PRODUCTION/id/56441 😉

Hehehe, good choice, but I meant one that is already finished. 😉

Hi,

I would like to know, what is the best ROTJ fanedit in your opinion and why?

I also would like to get a link, if it is possible. I love fan edits that aren’t afraid to try major changes. 😃

ray_afraid said:

Other than maybe pushing the door button with the force, I don’t see what Luke is neglecting to do in the rancor scene.
Is he supposed to fry it with lightning? Choke it to death? Bring the roof down on it? I think it’s easy to believe Luke was doing everything he could and just isn’t powerful enough to do any of those things.

No, it is only that he can do in my opinion (use the force to push the button).

People here seems to think Jedis are gods, that can kill hundreds of people with a single gesture. It is not like that at all, and even if it was, Luke certainly couldn’t do it. He didn’t finish his training and He doesn’t even have a lightsaber ! What would he do if Bobba Fett and all the guards start to shooting him? Wave his hand to deflect all the shooting? Come on! It´s a single man unarmed ! And Jabba faced Jedis before, he knows what they can do. No single Jedi (and without a lightsaber I might add! ) would be able to beat all the guards in Jabba’s palace. And Jabba knows it, so why would he be afraid of Luke? So there’s no need to Luke to hide his powers. As a matter of fact, I think he did everything that he could there.

Anjohan said:

TV’s Frink said:

Alright I guess I misread your post, I thought you were saying he actually could do any of those things if he wanted to, he just didn’t want to.

Yeah, no worries. I think I just started the post with the wrong idea before moving to the point.

Either way… I don’t understand Why people here are trying so hard to create story problems or faults where there are none. Luke using a few Jedi powers vaguely, and more importantly not creating any chaos inside Jabba’s Palace but rather a little tension, is perfectly understandble and fits his plan perfectly. He seems overconfident - and probably is, but it suits his needs. It keeps his friends safe, and it gives him an opportunity of surprise later on. The Rancor he didn’t expect, but he keeps his cool - killing it with logic and patience rather than anything that would pose him too great a threat to keep alive or nearby.

Well, I on the Other hand can’t understand why people try so hard to come up with explanations only to avoid mistakes from being corrected. Of course I would prefer not to change anything, but some things really need fixing. Otherside There would be no need for a ROTJ:R, Adywan would Just do some color correction ANS that’s It. I used to think ESB needed no fix at ALL, but all the changes Adywan did made the movie better (the emperor hologram is the best to me). So I am not afraid of changes (anymore).

doubleofive said:

It’s possible he’s freaking out and forgets he has the Force in his encounter with the Rancor. I know canon says Rancors are not native to Tatooine, but I used to imagine he’s facing his greatest fear, the monster he used to hear echoing across the desert. Now he’s trapped in a room with it, and for a moment forgets everything he’s learned.

However, I feel that it would be worthwhile for this edit to attempt to make Luke throw the skull or hit the button with the Force.

If we assume that he freaked out and forgot he has Jedi powers this only makes stronger what Yoda said in ESB (he’s not ready). And I believe what you said is correct, Luke doesn’t act like a fully trained Jedi sometimes. I hope something can be done to improve his behaviour as a Jedi.

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

Good point, Val. To reinforce that you could also say that Luke was planing to use the Force until the mind trick didn’t work on Jabba. By trying and apparently failing he would’ve appeared to be weaker. Using his abilities in view of everybody to kill the Rancor would’ve lost him that advantage. He was deliberately playing down how powerful he was until the Sarlaac and Jabba was mocking him for being a Jedi right up to that point.

If I remember correctly, in the movie he advises Jabba to not underestimate his powers. I don’t see him playing down at all.

Valheru_84 said:

One point of view people may be missing about the Rancor pit scene…Luke was visibile to Jabba and many of his associates and underlings most of the time in the pit, even when at the gated entrance. He probably didn’t want to use the force unless absolutely necessary otherwise it would give his “hand” away to Jabba who would then take precautions against these witnessed abilities and likely foil Luke’s plan.

Pretty much the only time he is properly out of sight is when he’s under the rock overhang (rear gated entrance still closed at this point) and you might say he used the force then to smash the Rancor’s hand with the rock as I don’t think a normal person doing the same would even cause the Rancor to flinch, let alone rear back and roar in utter pain.

He does use the force earlier to choke the initial two palace guards but no one else is nearby to witness this to understand how they died.

.Val

I’m sorry but that ship (people knowing he’s a Jedi) sailed long ago. Not only he force choke the guards, but he presents himself as a Jedi, he tries to use the jedi mind trick on Jabba (after using it on Bib, and Jabba pushes him saying something like: “your fool, this is an old jedi trick” and tells Luke that it won’t work with him), and finally he uses the force to grab a gun and try to shoot Jabba.

I don’t see why after all this he would risk his life by hiding his jedi powers. It doesn’t make any sense to me.

Just a comment, when it was announced that GL would be releasing a special edition of SW, I thought that enhancing Obi-wan x Darth Vader duel by adding new scenes would be doable, since anyone can play Darth Vader and Obiwan fought with his hood all the time.

I couldn’t be more wrong about GL’s intentions with the Special Editions, of course.

littlev87 said:

iamweasel said:

I see some discussion about the use or not of the deleted scenes. In the case of Luke building his lightsaber, I think it can be used (IF Adywan is interested, of course). Luke’s face doesn’t appear in the scene, so it is possible to rotoscope his face and upscale it to HD (720p) using a new background (again, if someone is interested in a new background). His hands building the lightsaber can be replaced by any other hands.

Personally, I wouldn’t mind if it is just the entire scene upscaled / cleaned and inserted in the movie. This is a fanedit, if George Lucas with all his money didn’t care for doing the best job in the world, why a fanedit must keep such high standards? I for sure won’t complain if a upscaled version of a deleted scene appears in a fanedit.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Why not just film a brand new scene, all that is needed is a prop light saber?

That works even better, since we don’t see Luke’s face, you can use a stuntman in the same way as ESB:R.

I see some discussion about the use or not of the deleted scenes. In the case of Luke building his lightsaber, I think it can be used (IF Adywan is interested, of course). Luke’s face doesn’t appear in the scene, so it is possible to rotoscope his face and upscale it to HD (720p) using a new background (again, if someone is interested in a new background). His hands building the lightsaber can be replaced by any other hands.

Personally, I wouldn’t mind if it is just the entire scene upscaled / cleaned and inserted in the movie. This is a fanedit, if George Lucas with all his money didn’t care for doing the best job in the world, why a fanedit must keep such high standards? I for sure won’t complain if a upscaled version of a deleted scene appears in a fanedit.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Another thing that doesn’t feel right to me (sorry if it was discussed before) is how Luke fights with the Rancor. He doesn’t look like a Jedi, he doesn’t use the force in any moment. And his victory in the end looks like plain (too much) lucky. I mean, he was lucky to have a rock near his feet when there was no time to find one, and them he throws the rock and he is lucky (again) to not only hit the button but doing it strong enough to activate it. All this would be ok if it was Luke from the ANH that was fighting, but it was a Jedi that was there. For someone who was really lucky to get out alive he seems too arrogant when he says to Jabba that he is making a bad mistake by not negotiating with him.

Although I don’t see much how to improve the fighing, at least the end could be more in a jedi way. Luke shouldn’t throw a rock, all he would do is raise his hand (maybe a new shot with only his hand), use the force and the button is pushed. At least it would be more of a Jedi way of finishing the fight.

I don’t know if this was addressed before, but if it isn’t, it should be an easy fix (assuming Adywan feels it should be fixed). It always bugged me that when Luke finally decides to attack the emperor, he moves his hand and uses the force to retrieve his saber, but everything happens so slowly that Vader could go to the bathroom and comeback in time to prevent Luke’s blade to touch the emperor. If the idea was to make a fast attack, it was a big failure.

I feel that the right way to do it would be the saber to start moving by the same time Luke starts to move his arm to get it, so by the time his arm reaches its final position the saber would arrives at the same time. With other editing it could be a much faster attack.

Just curious, anyone else thought about this before?

Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:

Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:
I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)

If by “some adjustments” you mean remaking the entire movie, than it might become a good movie. I can see why Adywan decided to drop dead the idea. There are so many things that need to be done to make it a good movie that would require lots of money and time.

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2
right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

Although TFA has (from my point of view) flaws, it is IMHO better than any prequel movie. And I liked Rogue One. But I must admit that, after ESB the quality of Star Wars movies got worse and worse each new movie was made. So I may be considering Rogue One a good movie because I saw a lot of crap Star Wars movies after ESB.

I think this discussion should be moved to another thread.
I don’t want to highjack this thread.
I could not find a Phantom Menace thread, so if you could provide the link, I would explain what I was thinkin in more details.

I don’t have a link here, but I wouldn’t want to talk about Phantom Menace anyway. I already lost too much time of my life with that horrible movie. I don’t want to spend even more.

Let’s talk about ROTJ:R.

Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:
I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)

If by “some adjustments” you mean remaking the entire movie, than it might become a good movie. I can see why Adywan decided to drop dead the idea. There are so many things that need to be done to make it a good movie that would require lots of money and time.

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2
right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

Although TFA has (from my point of view) flaws, it is IMHO better than any prequel movie. And I liked Rogue One. But I must admit that, after ESB the quality of Star Wars movies got worse and worse each new movie was made. So I may be considering Rogue One a good movie because I saw a lot of crap Star Wars movies after ESB.

Bingowings said:

It’s a real shame about PT:R. These were the revisited projects I was most looking forward to. They are even more broken than Jedi. Hopefully someone else will take up the mantle. There is good them, I have felt it 😊 even if Rouge One was part3 of a PT:R. So much technical talent and genuine affection from people who worked on those Star Wars misshapes. It’s a shame if they stayed as they are.

Well, if we are lucky, Disney will do a cool Darth Vader movie where we can see him chasing the remaining Jedis across the galaxy. If they do a cool movie, you can consider Rogue One as Episode 3, this Darth Vader movie as episode 2 and someone can try to edit ROTS (with maybe some (few) scenes from the episode 1 or 2) to be the first episode, removing most of it flaws. This way we can have a prequel that doesn’t contradict anything that was said in the OT.