That's heartbreaking about the Alamo, I watched that on tape with my grandparents as a kid. Maybe Harris is working on Star Wars, I mean, that was around the time digital bits announced their rumor, but I'm sure Harris probably works on a lot of other films too.
riddler95 said:
gizzy2000 said:
I always assumed the reason the really bad laserdisc ports were released was because everyone at LFL and Fox wanted them released and George finally said, "alright, as long as it doesn't cost one penny" so they did it the cheapest way humanly possible.
Because a restoration could not be performed, those 1993 Video Masters provided the best source to create DVD Transfers for the Original Theatrical Unaltered Versions.
With Disney apparently restoring the Theatrical Cuts in 4K and releasing them in 1080p on Blu-Ray next year, they'd probably look significantly better than the 2011 Blu-Rays of the Special Edition.
As moviefreakedmind said before, the Star Wars Trilogy (and maybe Ep. I, II and III are out of luck) will absolutely get a 4k restoration. These are some of the best selling movies of all time, so they will definitely get restored up to modern standards, whether SE or OUT. The way I see it, since the SE stuff was done in 2k and can't be rescanned at 4k, it makes sense in my mind to restore the OUT and then just include both the first blu ray and the new unaltered versions in the same set if they feel like they have to include both versions. Restoring the original negative as is would be the 97 edition if they don't also restore and scan the cut parts, which I'm sure they will because the 97 SE will never be released again. Even if they are going to 4k restore the altered version and redo all the future 2004/2011 changes then they'd still probably restore the extra things removed for the SE, that way they could release both. Idk, I don't want to jump to conclusions, but it seems like something we can be somewhat hopeful about...
I always assumed the reason the really bad laserdisc ports were released was because everyone at LFL and Fox wanted them released and George finally said, "alright, as long as it doesn't cost one penny" so they did it the cheapest way humanly possible.
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade
Indiana Jones & the Temple of Doom (just barely beaten by Last Crusade, I just put Crusade above it because it has less of the obnoxious time expanding editing and less bad guys with distractingly terrible aim. I mean, come on, one of those arrows HAD to have hit Indy when he was climbing the bridge, they shot like 3 volleys!! Other than that I still love it though)
Crystal Skull failed in my opinion because it lacked any real grit. In fact, I don't think Indy actually kills anyone on screen (correct me if I'm wrong). It looked like a cartoon and the end with the aliens made no sense and was hysterical. Weird stuff happened with the Ark and the Grail, but it made sense: The ark killed Belock because he was evil and the wrath of God killed him, and the Grail killed Donovan because, "for the unrighteous the cup of life holds everlasting damnation". Why did the aliens take away the lady and all the Russians but leave the good guys? Why did the aliens combine themselves together? I could've enjoyed an alien artifact if the item was simply that, an artifact, and something that they had to track down from the past, I didn't even mind the whole brain washing thing, it just got way to silly and confusing at the end with putting the alien skull back on the body. I liked the villains, I liked the alien skull, I liked the 50's era, and I didn't mind Harrison Ford's age, it's just the execution where everything failed. I honestly didn't mind it until they got to the jungle, the first 45 minutes or so were actually very promising.
Short Round: that sounds a bit harsh but as I've never read any article other than that one, I can't argue. Yes I did comment at him and I found him a bit obnoxious, but I'm sure we all come across as assholes when we're confident we're right ;)
Then again, as a journalist (or whatever the hell he is) you really should check your facts before writing something, but to each their own I guess. I just know that his post is really confusing a lot of people, and I've seen several other articles regarding the rumor refer to (and even quote) his post to explain why a release will never happen, which is unfortunate since it's completely incorrect on every single one of its points. Not to mention some kind of pointless speculation about Fox not releasing Star Wars with Lucas being alive, even though his post seemed to be criticizing baseless speculation!
Idk, it just pissed me off because he was criticizing the comicbook.net people for making things up (which maybe they are, that's yet to be seen) while he was clearly infinitely more ill-informed than they were, if comicbook.com is making garbage up, then at least they got their facts straight! Seriously, everything comicbook.net said fits with what we know about the OUT, even if it is a lie. Not to mention Faraci's own baseless rumor at the end too.
Wow I just need to learn to let things go! Oh well, rant over :)
SilverWook said:
gizzy2000 said:
AntcuFaalb said:
http://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2dqm18/disney_to_release_original_unaltered_cut_of_star/
This Reddit thread is so fucking depressing. Why, you ask?
1. The number of people convinced that the OUT was completely destroyed.
2. The number of people who want some Frankenstein'sMonster-esque mishmash of OUT and SE.
3. "Weren't the originals released on DVD in 2006?"... 'nuff said.
4. The (surprising) number of people who think selling an LD->BD rip would be acceptable.
5. The presence of the token "People still buy physical media???!" guy.
And, to a lesser extent...
6. The obsession over the ownership of the distribution rights.
I don't expect everyone to be like us, but I just don't understand these people.
I'm going to bed. -_-
Ugh, there was an article about the distribution rights on badass digest that made my blood boil. The author thought Fox literally owned the actual movies for some reason. I left a comment correcting him and he posted back several times saying I was wrong and that Fox still owned them and always would. I had to actually post a link to a '98 article saying that Lucas finally acquired rights to the original Star Wars film, but I got no response to that of course -_-
I personally don't find the Reddit depressing because they all pretty much have one thing in common (no matter how distorted their facts are) they want to see the OUT released, and that's what will encourage Disney to release the OUT, demand, regardless of the peoples' confusion :)"Badasses" are never wrong. ;)
Haha, sure ;) but anyone who calls themselves a badass rub me the wrong way from the start. It's like when people call themselves "quirky"; it's a compliment to call someone else quirky, but if you call yourself quirky it just makes you look like a hipster or something, I guess it's kind of the same with Badass
AntcuFaalb said:
http://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2dqm18/disney_to_release_original_unaltered_cut_of_star/
This Reddit thread is so fucking depressing. Why, you ask?
1. The number of people convinced that the OUT was completely destroyed.
2. The number of people who want some Frankenstein'sMonster-esque mishmash of OUT and SE.
3. "Weren't the originals released on DVD in 2006?"... 'nuff said.
4. The (surprising) number of people who think selling an LD->BD rip would be acceptable.
5. The presence of the token "People still buy physical media???!" guy.
And, to a lesser extent...
6. The obsession over the ownership of the distribution rights.
I don't expect everyone to be like us, but I just don't understand these people.
I'm going to bed. -_-
Ugh, there was an article about the distribution rights on badass digest that made my blood boil. The author thought Fox literally owned the actual movies for some reason. I left a comment correcting him and he posted back several times saying I was wrong and that Fox still owned them and always would. I had to actually post a link to a '98 article saying that Lucas finally acquired rights to the original Star Wars film, but I got no response to that of course -_-
I personally don't find the Reddit depressing because they all pretty much have one thing in common (no matter how distorted their facts are) they want to see the OUT released, and that's what will encourage Disney to release the OUT, demand, regardless of the peoples' confusion :)
I think there's a reason why there's so many of these rumors right now, not just this and Bleeding Cool, but also the whole thing with the 4K restoration thing, and the picture of sound work done on Return of the Jedi. If they're restoring the original film in 4k, then it makes perfect sense to me that they'd also restore the OUT while they're at it, and kill two birds with one stone. They could release the "official" Special Edition version alongside the original versions. Who knows though since nothing that's been done to Star Wars in the last 20 years has made sense...
DuracellEnergizer said:
gizzy2000 said:
I'm also terrified of drowning and grasshoppers.
You're saying you don't find this
*photo censored*cute and cuddly?
sickening...
darklordoftech said:
KilroyMcFadden said:
...AND the TFNr's are already debating which changes should stay. #smh
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/rumor-disney-to-release-unaltered-old-trilogy-on-br.50020327/page-8
Sadly, the same is occuring on Reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2dqm18/disney_to_release_original_unaltered_cut_of_star/
Well, if Disney restores the negative, then that means not one post-97 change is included, so that means they just have to get rid of all the 97 changes and restore those original parts. I for one offer my personal guarantee (whatever that's worth) that Disney simply WILL NOT release the unaltered films, and advertise them as such, and leave in alterations. TFNr's are a total minority when it comes to Star Wars fans, it's the only place on planet earth where some people think the original versions should never be released. It's also one of the few places on earth where people scream praise about the prequels. I know we see PT fans on the internet a lot but I've never seen one in the real world who was older than 15.
I hope they don't let Lucas "approve" anything. I think they'll just say that the current blu ray is the Lucas approved version. riddler, you said that Lucas was letting the negatives deteriorate intentionally, do you think that's why the blu rays weren't a real restoration? That had never occurred to me before.
SilverWook said:
Every one of these websites has a shadowy, mysterious, "source" of information. Best to take it all with a grain of salt the size of a Volkswagen. ;)
Haha, of course. This one in particular just really got under my skin and annoyed me for some reason
That is very odd, and I didn't notice that when I first came across the article. It makes even less sense than the people who are worried that Lucas somehow made it so Disney isn't allowed to release the OUT in the contract when they bought Lucasfilm. I'm skeptical of what he meant by "sources", one of my problems with the comicbook.com site was that they claimed to have accurate sources but then made no explanation as to who they were or what they said or why it should be considered accurate. If the sources saying Fox will refuse to release the OUT because of Lucas think that the OT is owned by Fox, then I definitely don't put any faith into what they have to say, but who knows
moviefreakedmind said:
I checked that site and read some of the moderators comments. I'm assuming they don't know what the hell they're talking about because I'm certain that Lucasfilm owns the movies. Fox owned Star Wars for a while but I believe Lucas got it back when he let Fox distribute the prequels. Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi are owned by Lucasfilm (now Disney) and Fox just has the distribution rights. Again, this could have changed somehow when Disney bought Lucasfilm (I doubt it and am just saying it's a possibility because I'm not sure), but that site is wrong in saying that Lucas never owned the films, he definitely did.
That's exactly what I thought, I just wanted to make sure. Thanks
This may seem completely redundant because I'm 99.99% sure about the answer (I would say 100% sure but I'm covering my tracks in case I'm wrong) but it's driving me insane. This website called Badassdigest said that the OUT will not be released because Fox owns the movies. I commented that Fox only owns distribution rights til 2020 and perpetual rights for Star Wars etc. etc. I basically just told him what I knew from my understanding. Then the author of the blog or whatever said, "You're wrong" Fox owns the movies and can release whatever they want with or without Disney's permission. So I said, "well I know for sure that Lucas owned all 3 movies before he sold it so I don't know why that would change now" and he said something about how Fox owns the rights to the OUT and all the special editions, and that makes no sense because they would've released the OUT by now if that were the case. Am I missing something? An answer would be appreciated.
I wouldn't be too surprised if it's true. I just don't let myself get my hopes up unless it's something a little more official. But I will admit that I am cautiously optimistic :)
Wolfman said:
I'm so excited about this now. There has got to be some truth to it please!
I bet you're excited to finally see yourself back in the cantina, but in HD ;)
I was thinking about Celebration as well, and I think this rumor seems more promising than Bleeding Cool's because they aren't saying that the prequels will be retconned or anything like that. Who knows, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, but hopefully this rumor will get more attention and comicbook.com will elaborate on it
SilverWook said:
digitalfreaknyc said:
FWIW:
http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/08/16/exclusive-original-unaltered-cut-of-star-wars-trilogy-to-be-rele/Note one commenter says Best Buy released an OT DVD set last year. What the heck?
I saw that too, he must not be interested in the issue and just saw the OT (SE form) box set and assumed it was the unaltered versions. A lot of people who don't care don't realize just how unavailable the original versions are.
Handman said:
digitalfreaknyc said:
Is comicbook.com even reliable?And if so, is the release going to be done right?
Not sure if it's reliable or not, but from my understanding it isn't a place that would intentionally make up lies, but they might also be claiming it's a rumor just because some friends told them that they think it makes sense for Disney to release the OT. Even if this is a rumor, it's still good because it's keeping the OUT demand in the public eye. As for whether or not it's done right, I'm sure what you exactly you mean. If you mean a disappointing transfer or restoration, well I guess that's always a possibility. But if you're talking about them somehow forgetting to take out an SE change, I don't think that's going to be a problem. Even if they do leave an SE change in it will probably be something small like not re-adding the matte painting rebels at the end when Han and Luke get their medals. If that's the extent of the left in changes then we could literally have a perfect fan reconstruction out within weeks, but I honestly don't think that'll happen. They don't want to advertise something as "the original unaltered films!" and then have someone point out, "Hey, there's still Special Edition sh#t in these versions."
it's hard not to be excited about even the slightest rumor but I wish they would've at least gone into a bit more detail about their sources. Maybe the sources wanted to remain anonymous which is also understandable.
AntcuFaalb said:
That Disney is going to attempt some kind of half-assed OUT release and accidentally leave SE stuff in.
(They should probably go back to an IP or release print instead of the negative. There are just too many ways to fuck things up by going back to the negative, permanently altered or not.)
That's definitely something I've been worried about.
I'm also terrified of drowning and grasshoppers.
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981). Or as people like to call it now, "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark"
Fang Zei said:
IIRC, Zombie mentioned somewhere (either on savestarwars or secrethistoryofstarwars) that the negatives were assembled in an A-B fashion. That is, over/under/over/under and so forth. This allowed the SE team to remove and replace the relevant pieces of negative without destroying any frames.
well that certainly is a relief, I hope that's true. I haven't heard that before but I've always been skeptical of Lucas being willing to permanently sacrifice frames.
yoda-sama said:
Don't forget that any cuts and readditions to the negative means that the adjoining frames are destroyed in the process. So, even if entire scenes are in storage somewhere unaltered, we still can't escape the fact that the film as a whole has irrevocably lost a great number of frames that were present on the original cut. If anyone does a restoration of the OOT and thinks to fix that, they would have to find those frames from sources other than the o-neg (so, interpositives or the like), I'm sure they can make it look acceptable, if they realize what's missing.
Yes that is unfortunate. I can't believe Lucas actually chopped up the original negative. I still have a tiny shred of hope that he was lying but I'm sure he is crazy enough to actually tear apart the negative.
darklordoftech said:
pablumatic said:
No Empire. That's the biggest issue to me. These movies take place 30 years after the originals. Seeing Stormtroopers or anything of the sort should be out of the question.
At least the Empire wasn't destroyed onscreen, unlike the Sith.
I'd actually be OK if they have an interesting situation where the Republic has been re-instated and they're sort of re-establishing things after the Empire. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the Grand Moffs being tried as war criminals etc. etc. I also wouldn't mind if there were still some groups of stormtroopers and imperial officers resisting the republic, but just in a way where it's like in the aftermath of the fall of the empire. But overall I agree, I don't want the civil war to still be taking place with huge battles or anything. It's actually a fine line to walk because as much as I'd like to see the things I described above happen, they could really be a lot like the boring politics in the prequels if they're done poorly.