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#562423
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It's Official: George Lucas hates his fans :P
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Anchorhead said:

AWN article; "Because of the Northridge quake, a lot of the original footage was water damaged. That’s why we knew when we went in that we were going to have to do some extensive restoration work....George went through with the editor, picked a bunch of stuff and re-edited it slightly, just to make it more what he wanted. He realized that there were scenes he wanted to expand upon… at the time with the budget that he had,"

 

Honestly.   Lucas' continued use of  - the originals were damaged, I mean it was the limited budget, I mean it was my Original Vision.  Good God, man - pick one lie and stick to it.  It's the same set of pat answers he trots out for repressing the original version of Star Wars

All kidding aside, the man needs an intervention - or he needs to be institutionalized. Anymore these days, he seems to have fluid stories for every project he's involved in.  He's already started it with the Red Tails promotional junkets - it was the studios trying to suppress history\me\my project - it was the critics, I mean the fans. The guy is a pathological liar.

Exactly.

I pointed this out earlier and, well, you know...

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#562418
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It's Official: George Lucas hates his fans :P
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Alexrd said:

georgec said:

Alexrd said:

Because you are the one who decides what Lucas means with what he says, right?

And you're the one who decides?

No, I never claimed that.

So you think George always says the truth? Like how he's changed his story multiple times about why he "can't" restore the UOT? And you're saying there's never been a difference between what he says/does?

You should give up your childhood ideal of him being the benevolent creator of Star Wars. He is a shrewd businessman.

Stop using straw men, please. It only shows your big lack of arguments and a very childish attitude.

georgec said:

It's funny that Lucas apologists like Alexrd

So, now that you can't refute my arguments, you call me a "Lucas apologist".

Alexrd will be here soon to post more straw man arguments because he has an unhealthy obsession with doing so

No, but the same can be said about you, as your posts have proven.

You haven't proven anything, other than you enjoy trying to argue against criticism of Lucas, who has time and time again said that critics hate Star Wars. Just because Lucas doesn't explicitly use the term "critics" doesn't mean that he's not referring to them.

I've refuted your silly arguments, and I've pointed out that your posts are childish drivel. If I snipped the bud at the root, no need to deal with the thorns. :)

Honestly, step away from the computer. You have a cute way of cutting up my posts and only responding to the parts you can misinterpret and skew with some effort. By misrepresenting my words cutting out parts of sentences, it shows you can't respond to the whole post. Only to select phrases that lose context when you edit them.

Counter accusing me of things I say about you, such as you being childish, is the only thing you can do. In reality it actually shows your lack of argument and your irrationality. It's ironic, actually.

A child uses the "No, you are!" argument. Ergo...

This site is full of people who see Lucas for who he is - a greedy, dishonest, arrogant businessman. Yet, you've been obsessed with my posts for months now and constantly thread crap. Your only method is to try and say what Lucas really meant with his words, or what he was really thinking when he said them. It's the very definition of a straw man argument, the one you like to accuse others of using.

I guess you're okay with people saying Lucas raped their childhood, but when people point out the quite obvious insecurity complex of Lucas you start to whine and make baseless attempts to "refute" well-documented information. Even within this thread many others have agreed on Lucas' whiny attitude about people not appreciating him. You focus on my post because you have an unhealthy, irrational obsession.

Go read zombie's website and inform yourself before trying to act like a hardass on here.

Better yet, put me on ignore and save yourself the heartache, or otherwise stop asking such nonsensical questions and trying to refute every single thing for the sake of refuting it (when you can't even do that correctly).

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zombie84 said:

Lucas says he doesn't care about critics, but with the onslaught that Episode I brought he pretty much has to say that, to save face. He's human and we all know if a human being was in his position and there was so many people saying he is a terrible director and writer, and his fans are even making websites and petitions to get him to stop, that has to hurt. And in fact he has admitted this, under the properly candid conditions. But what can the man do? All he can do is basically try to roll with it and say, "well, who cares about their opinion anyway." But he hears his critics, and he knows, sort of, what they are saying. Lucas makes these films for an audience, contrary to what he says ("I make them for myself"--no you don't George, you make them for an audience and you make great pains to the best of your ability to ensure the audience enjoys the film within the context of your storytelling goals). I'm quoting the exchange below from memory but I'm pretty sure this is verbatim:

Leslie Stahl: When critics go after your directing, your writing--it has to hurt.

George Lucas: Oh it hurts. It always hurts. It hurts a great deal. But part of directing is that you get attacked, sometimes in very personal ways. [goes on to his green-house/white-house analogy]

And of course, Lucas dropped out Jar Jar Binks almost entirely for the following two films when he was a main character in Episode I. Some people say, "oh, his part in the story was done, where would he fit in Ep. II/III". But please, really? You don't think if Jar Jar had been the hit Lucas was hoping that he would find a place for him? He didn't have a place at all in the prequels for the droids, but he forced them in deliberately because of fans, because their characters were hits. Same with Boba Fett, and half the other OT references (Han Solo was even in the first draft of Episode III). In fact, Lucas outlines to ILM artists that critics complained the Episode I Yoda looked fake, even though he was technically more advanced than in 1980, and so it was really important to make Episode II Yoda match the originals.

Lucas not only listens to his critics, but he sometimes changes the films to please them. But he tries to save face, he's stubborn and doesn't want to seem like he was "wrong" so he denies that critics/audiences matter, that he makes the films only the way he wants. But nobody that is human or in the business of storytelling would believe that. And contrary to the brave front he pretty much has to put up, for the sake of his own dignity--the sting of critics hurts a great deal and that's why he tries not to put a lot of attention on them. But he still does care on some level about what they say. He's well aware of things, whether it is online gusher-basher wars, fan edits, or what the media is reporting. His rather advanced state of knowledge about all of this alone shows that he does keep tabs on all of these things. And of course in the link that inspired this he says he doesn't want to make more Star Wars because they just receive criticism. If he didn't listen to critics or fans or whathaveyou then why would that matter? But it does matter, he not only has bitterness over the criticism he gets, but it's so severe that it's discouraging him from the idea of making more films.

Thank you for this thoughtful, well-written post.

It's funny that Lucas apologists like Alexrd still cling to this notion of Lucas, the Hollywood Antihero, who doesn't care what people say about him. Then Lucas comes out and says he's done with the business (that in itself is obviously not true, just a marketing ploy to convince people to see TPM in 3D and give him more money to keep making SW crap).

The impressionable apologists will take whatever Lucas says and use it to cry foul when someone criticizes the man. But, when Lucas says something that actually supports arguments against him, the apologists will say that people aren't interpreting what he said correctly. Which one is it? He means what he says or he says what he doesn't mean?

Lucas is more or less a pathological liar.

He whines about not being able to get funding for an all-black movie. Tell me, then, how young, lesser accomplished directors like John Singleton (Boyz n the Hood) or Spike Lee were able to secure funding for all-black or multicultural films in the late 80s and early 90s? Sure, those weren't blockbuster action films, but George complains that Hollywood producers didn't see a market for an all-black movie. Maybe because the producers read the script and thought it was shitty?

George is a chronic complainer. He has a "nobody appreciates me" complex. When one excuse becomes refuted or disproven, he generates another. He is quite inconsistent.

Alexrd will be here soon to post more straw man arguments because he has an unhealthy obsession with doing so whenever someone (mainly me) criticizes Georgie.

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Alexrd said:

Because you are the one who decides what Lucas means with what he says, right?

And you're the one who decides?

So you think George always says the truth? Like how he's changed his story multiple times about why he "can't" restore the UOT? And you're saying there's never been a difference between what he says/does?

You should give up your childhood ideal of him being the benevolent creator of Star Wars. He is a shrewd businessman.

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Alexrd said:

georgec said:

Are you mental?

Ad hominem. Very mature...

George has been vocal about critics hurting his feelings for a long, long time. There is no assumption.

Care to show a source? No need, as none's post points out, he doesn't care.

Quit trying to start arguments (when you have no argument) and inform yourself.

You are you to say anything about arguments, when you start posts with "are you mental"?

Saying he doesn't care about critics doesn't mean he actually doesn't care. It's called downplaying the issue.

I did provide a source to an article. That's good enough. I'm not going to transcribe it here or paraphrase it for you. That you demand I do something I've already done does make me question your aptitude.

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Alexrd said:

georgec said:

Guy is delusional beyond comprehension.

http://movies.msn.com/paralleluniverse/george-lucas-talks-star-wars-critics/story/feature/

Sure, George. Mean critics killed your future movies. It had nothing to do with your inflated ego, greed, and arrogance.

When did he ever mentioned critics? It's more like an assumption made by the article about TNYT's one.

Gossip article.

Are you mental?

George has been vocal about critics hurting his feelings for a long, long time. There is no assumption.

Quit trying to start arguments (when you have no argument) and inform yourself.

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Georgie can say and do what he wants because 99% of SW fans will always be there, frothing at the mouth for any table scraps he throws down to them.

Now the UOT crowd is the mean group of people who hurt Georgie's feelings so badly that he decided to quit the movie business. Of course, George isn't quitting anything nor has he been particularly active in Hollywood since ROTS, other than with Indy 4. It's an erroneous, misleading statement but it succeeds in painting the UOT people and other non-apologists as haters who turned on their beloved creator and ruined SW for everybody.

I seriously don't comprehend why anybody who dislikes Lucas' antics continues to support him in some way, be it watching Clone Wars, playing SW video/PC games, buying books, buying the blu-rays, etc. Now Lucas has called out anyone who dares question him and blamed them for his selfish behavior. How many times can he tell his fans, "FU," before they stop giving him money? Georgie is curious to know because everybody always comes back. "Oh, I don't like the new changes, but I guess it's Star Wars on blu-ray."

I probably sound harsh and arrogant but people need to get over the need to have SW continuously in their lives. I love the originals and that will never change, but I don't need to watch them all the time nor do I need to fill some void for new SW material with anything that exists out there today. That's not to say I don't think the fan restorations (Adywan, Harmy, etc.) are amazing efforts. I'm talking more about newly created SW crap.

SW as a phenomenon is extremely played out. Dogs barking Imperial March in commercials? Don't care. 3D rerelease? Don't care.

Move along.

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#560032
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*False alarm
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The best action movies of the 2000s were probably the Bourne movies, Nolan's Batmans, and Casino Royale. Maybe throw Kill Bill Vol 1 in there. All except Kill Bill were not R.

Expendables 2 can still be a great movie. If people are looking for violence, the PG-13 rating will hardly be a deterrent given what we see today. The lack of swear words shouldn't be an issue.

The real problem with the first Expendables was that every character besides Stallone and Statham was, well, expendable. The script was weak.

Expendables 2 needs to give more balanced screentime, and that will be difficult given that the number of high profile stars has increased.

I'm just excited to see Van Damme in there. I hope he gets to do some cool things. I grew up loving Van Damme movies and still give people the dim mak when I can. BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Guy is delusional beyond comprehension.

http://movies.msn.com/paralleluniverse/george-lucas-talks-star-wars-critics/story/feature/

Sure, George. Mean critics killed your future movies. It had nothing to do with your inflated ego, greed, and arrogance.

Poor guy's feelings have been hurt. :(

The sad thing is that this is just a ploy to convince SW fanboys to shell out more cash for TPM 3D so that the Flannel One will keep "making movies" i.e. tinkering with the same three movies over and over again and selling them to people as something new