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A few thoughts for season 3:
E5
13:17 We have an appearance by Bendu after Sabine kicked him. What is the purpose of including him?
No role in the episode besides that 2 second appearance. If you were looking for perfection and nitpicking, you could remove him, but not sure if that is even worth the effort for you.
In isolation, this moment is a bit off however itās nessicary to connect the threads laid out in this episode of Sabineās force sensitivity š so Iāll keep it in.
E7
26 Kallus laughs and [spoiler] tells Thrawn rebels will somehow emerge victorious out of certain defeat. Thrawn arrogantly responds that he is basically superior to Kallus so he will end up victorious. Perhaps some of the spoiler lines can be removed here. Thrawn also looks like a fool if he brags and then loses later on. Kallus really is no position to act arrogantly as he was clearly just tortured by Thrawn. He should not have the confidence to boast, but instead continue to feel afraid until we later see him more positive when dealing with Price who does mess things up.
I actually think this moment works well. I donāt think itās a spoiler (even though it comes true). As we see later on with Pryce, heās trying to bait Thrawn (as he does successfully to Pryce) so he can make his escape. I actually think this highlights Thrawn as superior as he claims but Iām willing to hear what others think about this moment as I might change it š
33:44 Thrawn states āWhat Jedi devilry is this?ā in relation to the Bendu storm. I think he should be smart enough to know Jedi - particularly Kanan and Ezra - are incapable of making storms. No logical reason for him to assume the Jedi would suddenly have this power when it never happened in the past.
I think removing the word Jedi from the line would be sufficient. It comes across as a shocked person saying, āwhat the hell?ā
Thatās a good idea. Iāll see if I can get that working. If not, Iāll keep it as is š
==> Your modifications to the Bendu storm along with hiding the voice worked out quite excellently. Thrawn clearly comes across as much more intelligent by figuring out how to stop Bendu without having the blatant hint of looking at him in the sky.
Thanks! Before it felt so painfully obvious thrawn was stupid not to have done that immediately š
I almost forgot. In the opening text for season 2, episode 11 the text notes:
"Meanwhile, amidst the chaos, Chopper embarks on a personal quest, driven by a desire to reclaim a missing component of his own.
Left behind and determined, he clandestinely boards an imperial cargo ship, forging an unexpected alliance with AP5."
With the way the episode plays out, we do not really find out about Chopperās personal quest or what this missing component was. That statement confused me as there is no follow-up.
I understand your point here. I wrote that intro text much earlier then when I settled on the current iteration for the start of that episode. There actually is a follow-up however.
My wife and I thought the exact same thing you thought when finishing our most recent watch. To immediately then have chopper on screen stealing a droid leg in my āconcept artā end credits. We laughed so hard I decided to keep it in the episode as is. Iām definitely open to changing it if overall itās just confusing, I just thought it worth noting that I did follow-up on it in some manner (although not intentionally).
32:13 When Ahsoka senses Vader, maybe add a brief flashback right after Vader states that, āthe apprentice livesā and we see Ahsoka fainting - this could be interpreted as a dream sequence. It could be an emotional moment they had from the Clone Wars such as Ahsoka informing Anakin she is leaving the Jedi order.
While I do really like this idea, I am hesitant to implement it. It would provide spoilers for the Clone Wars and although Rebels can continue arcs from that show, it definitely stands on itās own merits and to have the specific moment youāve suggested could be a major spoiler. I do agree with the point you make later on about how this should be explored earlier. Iāll keep thinking about this because I do like the idea. Maybe Anakin saying āsnips?ā then Ahsoka faints could help emphasise the moment. Maybe I could try make a sequence that looks like Anakinās force visions in episode 3 might be a nice touch. Iāll experiment and see if I can come up with something. If I canāt, it does still work as is.
I know flashbacks are not a thing in Star Wars, but this might be the rare situation to put one in to add emotional depth. It could really enhance their meeting later on when Ahsoka tells Vader she will not leave him 'this time.'We establish right away Ahsoka feeling guilty and she is having a vision of the past while unconscious.
I always avoid flashbacks for star wars. I try to keep in mind how Lucas intended the films styles. He sees them as documentaries (which is why we donāt have things like flashbacks). I do agree that something here could enhance the moment, but for my edit, it wonāt be a flashback (though it may use footage from Clone Wars if I add something) š
E4
13:50 Here we see the inquisitors using the force slowing down the ship from leaving. I would cut this and have the rebels escape without restraint. This is a source of a continuity error in Star Wars. The only other times we see this, as far as I am aware, is with Vader in the Kenobi show, and Ahsoka at the end of the Clone Wars. We otherwise never see Jedi or Sith do this on several ocassions when presented with the opportunity. For example, if Vader has the power to do this, why not do it at the end of Rogue One or several moments stopping the Millennium Falcon in the OT?
Heck, Yoda was slowly able to move Lukeās unmoving ship in ESB, but the inquisitors could stop a ship flying away at full speed?
I agree, not sure how I missed this moment! Iāll try take it out and see how things flow.
E5
36:58 Ryder Azadi loudly proclaims Kananās a Jedi after Kanan ignites his lightsaber. I think this episode is problematic as is with Leia witnessing a lightsaber and Ezra using the force. I do not think she should potentially hear any mention of Jedi until we get to the OT - she does tells Luke in ROTJ that she does not understand his power. When Leia first meets Kanan and Ezra, she tells them she knows them, but I think this is acceptable as I believe Bail would not specifically tell her those two are Jedi. (I am disregarding what Leia experienced in the Kenobi show).
I think disregarding the Kenobi show is the right options (in my opinion it breaks too much lore to be considered canon). I donāt think this moment breaks anything though, she can know what a Jedi is and not understand their powers but I agree itās a bit iffy and not really the initial intention. Iāll see if I can remove it but for the previous reason listed Iām not too fussed if I canāt. š
E11
10:49 Kanan and Ezra get into a really childish ācommon senseā argument over Ezra trying to connect with the spiders. I think their argument here can be removed. It comes across as excessively petty and childish to me.
I originally kept this moment as I think itās important to show Ezraās arrogance here, but the end of this exchange after Kanan says maybe he should teach him more common sense could be cut. Iāll review this further when Iām back to fixing up this episode š
Again, thanks a lot for all this feedback! š Very insightful and very worthwhile.
I watched the first episode. My main criticism is that you donāt linger long enough on establishing shots, giving the edit a rushed, sometimes confusing feel.
Thanks for the feedback GLogus! I really value this type of feedback. As Iāve become exceedingly familiar with Rebels, confusion while watching becomes a difficult thing for me to judge when viewing.
Are you able to point to any direct examples? Iām fairly sure this is a result of the original work. I can think of a few examples that Iāve had to shorten an establishing shot for a wipe transition but as far as Iām aware these instances are few and far between.
Do you have any advice on how to remedy this? Iāll be returning to the first episode to implement feedback soon so any more on this point would be amazing š
Yes I agree, the show does start losing members of Phoenix Cell in Season 3 which goes a long way to making Thrawn feel credible. And Iāve been steadily upping the death count in the show as much as possible to add that tangible sense of loss.
As a side note here is how the end of the episode is looking with only Sabineās father alive: https://youtu.be/sfOjeyp5bzA (this was the hardest part of this edit as it required me to do some visual effects work to remove Ursa and Tristan. Iād say it looks like Iām in the clear for pulling off Sabineās mother and brother being killed by the duchess now that this section has the completed VFX)
Iāve got a pretty crazy idea I think I can pull off for S04E01.
Something that ALWAYS bothered me about this ark is that it hints that Sabineās weapon kills her mother and brother, but then backs way off and shows that theyāre alive and well. After like 2 minutes of dramatic music and shots and originally that was an episode cliffhanger.
Hereās my idea: I cut out Ursa and Tristan from returning and from any subsequent shot needed that they appear in.
Honestly, after this point, they do nothing of note in canon (or the episode) until theyāre all killed offscreen before the Ahsoka show anyway. As far as I can tell, all that this changes is one (admittedly good) YouTube short with Tristan and Sabine.
With their deaths however, we have one high stakes ark about Sabine learning to forgive and not give into revenge as led by Bo Katan. I believe this change will also reframe this ark to make it not seem like itās about Sabine becoming the leader Mandalore needs as this is not what ends up happening (at least currently anyway).
Itās a pretty drastic change so I wanted to post to get some thoughts.
EDIT: Another bonus if I include this is that it sets the tone for season 4. There will be victory but itāll cost.
Wow! Thank you so much honestabe! That is some awesome feedback. All of which either merits consideration and change within season 1. Naturally, you can tell that reducing Jedi talk wasnāt an initial priority but I think it is a better choice of action. Weāll likely see some new versions of Season 1 episodes coming out. If you get a chance to combe through season 2 for instances like this, Iād greatly appreciate it! š
EP1:
All instances in episode one I think youāre spot on about and Iāll look into removing or changing them.
EP3:
I donāt mind them not knowing what theyāre guarding but it is silly to have them say it aloud.
EP4:
I donāt actually mind the line at 23:53 - HOWEVER, I do think the scene would be more intimidating if he said nothing. So Iāll look into this.
Totally agree with the next line you pointed out as well.
EP6:
Moment at 5:10 I agree. Iāll likely cut the whole scene.
9:45 - I actually donāt mind too much. Yes he talks about Jedi in front of a crowd but itās a small crowd. I also think due to working with the grand inquisitor Kallus should NOW be more familiar with the Jedi so it does make sense to a certain extent.
17:09 - Again, I donāt actually mind this line, however on a second inspection itās unclear who āthe jediā is. Is it Ezra who is wielding a saber, or is it Kanan holding the fan. Would the unarmed rebel register as a āJediā to the stormtroopers? I think Iāll cut it completely.
EP7:
3:25 - I agree to keep it in.
6:20 - I think is fine. To make things fit with the OT the most, I think the Force and the Jedi are known about to differing levels in differing areas (e.g., planets, organisations, ect.). The citizens of Lothal become the rebels in season 3-4, so having rumors of Jedi around trying to help actually works and by presenting it as a rumor at this stage emphasises what memory the galaxyās had of the Jedi is fading.
20:00 - I agree to keep it as is, he is diminishing the credibility of the claim which is important.
28:00 - Yeah, not much I can do with this being a pivotal plot point. I think that EVEN if the underworld spreads this information, not many people could find it reliable being from the criminal underworld and all.
To address your edited comment. I actually donāt think weāll need any additional lines to fill in any blanks (at least for this season) but Iāll work that out as I review this feedback while editing š Again thank you a lot! This is all very helpful! š
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Episode is critical as it continues the main plotline.
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It might be a little longer until I can release the 4K version of Fulcrum, unfortunately a power outage at my home corrupted the file during the upscaling process. Iāve got S02E02 ready with the audio fix, so Iāll likely release that soon and then begin the upscaling process again.
In the meantime, here is a sneak peak at the work Iāve put into Benduās force storm for Zero Hour:
https://youtu.be/k_CvUxWykjs
Thanks again to honestabe for suggesting to tone down what the Empire is exposed to when it comes to beings who can use the force.
The only scene I havenāt been able to remove the eyes from completely is when Bendu is shot down from the sky, however I think this works MUCH better then the original version š
I also agree to take a āless is moreā aproach with AI, only using it when absolutely necessary, and even then, very sparsely.
Thanks PsyGemini, this is the approach I will continue to take within the edit after hearing all the feedback from my previous idea. š
As it stands, the only AI used in the edit is for the Sith Holocron Voice (text-to-speech). It will soon be replaced with a new dub (by me) which has had AI map on top of it. I originally used AI to assist in making adjustments to the writing style of my intro texts, but Iāve long since forgone that process after learning the style for myself.
I love the animated cast, so I wouldnāt see much value in trying to replace them.
I too love the animated cast. I also love the movie cast. I probably love the movies more as I grew up with the prequels though.
Thatās a good point about the change not being valuable, in fact given the previous posts it may hurt my edit rather then enhance my edit for what would be A LOT of work. Thanks for your comment Eddie!
Thanks for all the hard work g00b, these are turning out great.
When it comes to AI implementation, Iāve always felt the less, the better. It can be a powerful tool to adjust the context of a scene or two for pacing/story, but to replace entire characterās worth of dialogue? Iām just not sure it needs it. The Rebels/Clone Wars cast have already done a great job, particularly those that arenāt movie casts, and it could be perceived as a little disrespectful to the source material and the voice actors to swap a whole character for AI.
Thanks for the feedback! This is the kind of pushback Iām looking for!
For context: I am an artist, not just an editor. Working in stage/film, visual mediums, voiceworks and game development. I have never had problems with AI, hence why I asked the previous question. (I know most artists do have issues with AI)
For further clarification, the AI I now use maps over actors performances to change voices. So in a sense it would keep the original actors work. I see this type of AI as purely an audio effect, like how theyād make General Greviousā voice but I do understand other people may not share this viewpoint.
All of that being said, the change is fairly needless but is one that focuses on stylistic choices. I have zero problems with the original performances, itās just odd to me that Rebels has half animated cast and half live action cast.
After reading your point of how this could be taken as disrespectful for the original work and actors, Iām on the side of not implementing this change so Iām glad I put the idea out there.
Iāve managed to polish up the AI lines Iāve used for the Sith Holocron to a standard that Iām VERY happy with, rather then a standard Iāll accept (whatās currently in the episode). Iāll be updating these lines when I revisit Twilight of the Apprentice and then Iāll fix up the lines in S03E01.
On the subject of AI lines, Iāve got a question to ask those out there who check on this forum. Rebels tends to use the film cast when extended universe characters appear (i.e., The Emperor, Vader, Yoda, Lando) but uses the Clone Wars cast for some (The clones, Obi-Wan, Anakin). I have the means to create convincing Temuera Morrison dialogue for the clones, and a Hayden Christensen Anakin. Iām currently looking into Ewan McGregor style Obi-Wan.
If Iām successful in my experiments with Obi-Wan, should I redo all these lines so Rebels is cohesively the movie cast to voice characters?
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Episode is critical for character development, showing off Thrawnās skill and threat and for setup into the finale of this season.
I canāt find the 1080p recolor at the usual place.
Whoops! Missed a spot to upload it to hahaha. Iām uploading it now, in the meantime Iāve sent you a DM with the link to the spreadsheet. All the links there should be working š If youād rather wait, itāll be uploaded to Terabox in about 10 minutes or so.
Short Update: Had to redo the sound for Ep1, now the 5.1 works correctly and the transitions are smoother.
Since G00b upped his game, I also redid Kessel. New Version of Ep1 and Ep2 coming soon.
Looking good! š
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I found editing this last episode really interesting knowing Sabineās character ark in Ahsoka. I used to dislike the decision that Sabine was a Jedi but in this episode I think itās actually foreshadowed very well. Iāll make my points just to see if anyone else wants to discuss this.
We open learning of Tarre Vizla, the first Mandalorian Jedi. I think this is really important to setup Sabine as force sensitive. Itās for the first time told the audience directly that Mandalorian can become force sensitive enough to become Jedi. Keeping in mind we open with this story in a Sabine centric ark.
In the original episode ONLY Hera says that Sabine ācanāt use the forceā and the idea is quickly shut down by Kanan saying that she is blocked to the force due to her emotional instability instead. This is later mirrored and further developed in Ahsoka.
While having her emotional moment before returning to camp with Ezra. Sabine catches the attention of the Bendu. A character up until this point who has only interacted with Jedi (He hid himself away from Maul specifically). Not to mention his first appearance was to aide in Kananās emotional instability after Malachor. The fact the Bendu notices Sabineās instability to me was very interesting and felt quite intentional.
Kanan says that Sabine begins to connect with the Darksaber, which allows her to use it. Isnāt this precisely what Jedi do with their weapons?
Finally the last thing I noticed while editing the episode, at the very end of this ark, Sabine talks about how the Mandalorian way is not her way and underneath this speech and surrounding this line you can hear the force theme. I think this one is pretty self explanatory.
Anyway, I hope you enjoyed my observations!
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Episode further develops the Mandalorian plot line that concludes in season 4. If you like the Mando stuff this is essential.
Thatās all of the audio in season 1 fixed! Along with added metadata and uploaded to multiple locations to provide choice in how to download/stream the edit. My next release should be another episode from Season 3, after I release the previous S3 episode 4K upscale haha.
Pending any feedback or things that need to be fixed. Iām considering season 1 complete at this stage š
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