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- #1604671
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- Star Wars Rebels Recut - A Fanedit TV Series
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1604671/action/topic#1604671
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Oh! Thats a great idea! I hadn’t thought of that!
Oh! Thats a great idea! I hadn’t thought of that!
23:51:10 - 23:57:04 CUT (00:05:18) - Cut to remove the Inquisitor saying he senses the Jedi within his grasp. Audio from Konstantine has been overlayed into the shot of the Inquisitor looking out to space to better blend the two shots.
28:55:22 - 29:02:12 CUT (00:06:14) - Cut to remove the Inquisitor sensing “movement” in the force.
Thanks to honestabe for the feedback leading to dialogue changes removing talk of the force, jedi, ect from Imperials to better blend with the OT.
Thanks to honestabe for the feedback leading to dialogue changes removing talk of the force, jedi, ect from Imperials to better blend with the OT.
The redubbed lines work really well to humanize the troopers.
I thought it was a much better choice then just letting them be nonsensically stupid hahah
The last “We better get moving” should have the voice changed. To me, it sounds like a drunk guy getting strangled. I am sure you can play around with audio editing tools to get that quickly done.
I’ll keep this in mind. So far I’ve heard more good feedback about this line then bad but I understand your perspective. It’s the sole reason I want more feedback on the small exchange! I’ll wait to hear from more people in regard to keeping it or fixing it. I’m currently on the side of keeping it (though it’s probably because I did the voice acting so I’m more attached to it) but we’ll see! 😄
Thanks again for your valuable feedback honestabe! 😄
Seeking feedback for this potential redub to address feedback from Honestabe “12:20 troopers discuss if they saw the Jedi master… The troopers look really stupid if they have no idea that they are guarding an empty prison cell. Their dialogue also functions as a strong hint or spoiler that this was a trap using a dead Jedi. Better left unstated and ambiguous. More secretive the better.”
I decided to keep the footage and attempt to redub the troopers. To that end I made it reference the conversations you can hear between stormtroopers in Jedi Outcast on the first level.
I’m not sure if I’ve made it a bit too silly or not, let me know what you all think.
Thanks for that Honestabe!
To address the feedback for E1, I decided to keep in the moments of Hark talking about the Jedi. This was only because they are Mandalorian.
I do agree with your point for 15:05 that it does seem a bit too casual of a mention so I might change this if/when I review the episode at a later time 😃
I didn’t expect to be able to release the next episode today but here it is! It’s probably one of the episodes I’ve substantially changed the most and although Sabine does not get a moment to talk to anyone about her brother and mother being killed, I think the change really works. Her rage against the Empire goes two fold after the incident, as they’ve used her weapon and killed her family. She gets to share a moment with her father (although it’s just a look) but what really sells this change for me is when she turns the duchess on the Empire. With this change I really believe she would have kept using it if it wasn’t for Bo-Katan.
I’m very interested in hearing feedback in regard to this episode, mostly because killing of a main characters parent and sibling is a more radical change, even if it doesn’t change the current canon too substantially.
For recolors only:
Episode is critical as it concludes a plot line for the series.
Hello! I would like a download for all the latest versions; this sounds really cool!!!
PM sent 😃
Hi everyone! Sorry it’s been a bit since my last update (it will be a while longer until the next). I’m saving all the feedback provided here for myself to review when I’ve got some spare time to keep editing (Something I have not had a lot of time of recently and for the next few months atleast). I’ve got my own wedding coming up aswell as parental and university commitments. But I’ll be right back at it once I’ve got more spare time ! 😄
Thanks for all that awesome feedback PsyGemini! I’ve saved it away for when I’ve got time to continue editing. Life’s been full on at the moment. I’m still working on S04E01 but I think it works a lot better then my V3 that’s for sure!
Can you please send me the link?
Would love a link to these, as well! Thanks!
PM Sent 😃
A few thoughts for season 3:
E5
13:17 We have an appearance by Bendu after Sabine kicked him. What is the purpose of including him?
No role in the episode besides that 2 second appearance. If you were looking for perfection and nitpicking, you could remove him, but not sure if that is even worth the effort for you.
In isolation, this moment is a bit off however it’s nessicary to connect the threads laid out in this episode of Sabine’s force sensitivity 😃 so I’ll keep it in.
E7
26 Kallus laughs and [spoiler] tells Thrawn rebels will somehow emerge victorious out of certain defeat. Thrawn arrogantly responds that he is basically superior to Kallus so he will end up victorious. Perhaps some of the spoiler lines can be removed here. Thrawn also looks like a fool if he brags and then loses later on. Kallus really is no position to act arrogantly as he was clearly just tortured by Thrawn. He should not have the confidence to boast, but instead continue to feel afraid until we later see him more positive when dealing with Price who does mess things up.
I actually think this moment works well. I don’t think it’s a spoiler (even though it comes true). As we see later on with Pryce, he’s trying to bait Thrawn (as he does successfully to Pryce) so he can make his escape. I actually think this highlights Thrawn as superior as he claims but I’m willing to hear what others think about this moment as I might change it 😃
33:44 Thrawn states “What Jedi devilry is this?” in relation to the Bendu storm. I think he should be smart enough to know Jedi - particularly Kanan and Ezra - are incapable of making storms. No logical reason for him to assume the Jedi would suddenly have this power when it never happened in the past.
I think removing the word Jedi from the line would be sufficient. It comes across as a shocked person saying, “what the hell?”
That’s a good idea. I’ll see if I can get that working. If not, I’ll keep it as is 😃
==> Your modifications to the Bendu storm along with hiding the voice worked out quite excellently. Thrawn clearly comes across as much more intelligent by figuring out how to stop Bendu without having the blatant hint of looking at him in the sky.
Thanks! Before it felt so painfully obvious thrawn was stupid not to have done that immediately 😂
I almost forgot. In the opening text for season 2, episode 11 the text notes:
"Meanwhile, amidst the chaos, Chopper embarks on a personal quest, driven by a desire to reclaim a missing component of his own.
Left behind and determined, he clandestinely boards an imperial cargo ship, forging an unexpected alliance with AP5."
With the way the episode plays out, we do not really find out about Chopper’s personal quest or what this missing component was. That statement confused me as there is no follow-up.
I understand your point here. I wrote that intro text much earlier then when I settled on the current iteration for the start of that episode. There actually is a follow-up however.
My wife and I thought the exact same thing you thought when finishing our most recent watch. To immediately then have chopper on screen stealing a droid leg in my “concept art” end credits. We laughed so hard I decided to keep it in the episode as is. I’m definitely open to changing it if overall it’s just confusing, I just thought it worth noting that I did follow-up on it in some manner (although not intentionally).
32:13 When Ahsoka senses Vader, maybe add a brief flashback right after Vader states that, “the apprentice lives” and we see Ahsoka fainting - this could be interpreted as a dream sequence. It could be an emotional moment they had from the Clone Wars such as Ahsoka informing Anakin she is leaving the Jedi order.
While I do really like this idea, I am hesitant to implement it. It would provide spoilers for the Clone Wars and although Rebels can continue arcs from that show, it definitely stands on it’s own merits and to have the specific moment you’ve suggested could be a major spoiler. I do agree with the point you make later on about how this should be explored earlier. I’ll keep thinking about this because I do like the idea. Maybe Anakin saying “snips?” then Ahsoka faints could help emphasise the moment. Maybe I could try make a sequence that looks like Anakin’s force visions in episode 3 might be a nice touch. I’ll experiment and see if I can come up with something. If I can’t, it does still work as is.
I know flashbacks are not a thing in Star Wars, but this might be the rare situation to put one in to add emotional depth. It could really enhance their meeting later on when Ahsoka tells Vader she will not leave him 'this time.'We establish right away Ahsoka feeling guilty and she is having a vision of the past while unconscious.
I always avoid flashbacks for star wars. I try to keep in mind how Lucas intended the films styles. He sees them as documentaries (which is why we don’t have things like flashbacks). I do agree that something here could enhance the moment, but for my edit, it won’t be a flashback (though it may use footage from Clone Wars if I add something) 😃
E4
13:50 Here we see the inquisitors using the force slowing down the ship from leaving. I would cut this and have the rebels escape without restraint. This is a source of a continuity error in Star Wars. The only other times we see this, as far as I am aware, is with Vader in the Kenobi show, and Ahsoka at the end of the Clone Wars. We otherwise never see Jedi or Sith do this on several ocassions when presented with the opportunity. For example, if Vader has the power to do this, why not do it at the end of Rogue One or several moments stopping the Millennium Falcon in the OT?
Heck, Yoda was slowly able to move Luke’s unmoving ship in ESB, but the inquisitors could stop a ship flying away at full speed?
I agree, not sure how I missed this moment! I’ll try take it out and see how things flow.
E5
36:58 Ryder Azadi loudly proclaims Kanan’s a Jedi after Kanan ignites his lightsaber. I think this episode is problematic as is with Leia witnessing a lightsaber and Ezra using the force. I do not think she should potentially hear any mention of Jedi until we get to the OT - she does tells Luke in ROTJ that she does not understand his power. When Leia first meets Kanan and Ezra, she tells them she knows them, but I think this is acceptable as I believe Bail would not specifically tell her those two are Jedi. (I am disregarding what Leia experienced in the Kenobi show).
I think disregarding the Kenobi show is the right options (in my opinion it breaks too much lore to be considered canon). I don’t think this moment breaks anything though, she can know what a Jedi is and not understand their powers but I agree it’s a bit iffy and not really the initial intention. I’ll see if I can remove it but for the previous reason listed I’m not too fussed if I can’t. 😃
E11
10:49 Kanan and Ezra get into a really childish “common sense” argument over Ezra trying to connect with the spiders. I think their argument here can be removed. It comes across as excessively petty and childish to me.
I originally kept this moment as I think it’s important to show Ezra’s arrogance here, but the end of this exchange after Kanan says maybe he should teach him more common sense could be cut. I’ll review this further when I’m back to fixing up this episode 😃
Again, thanks a lot for all this feedback! 😄 Very insightful and very worthwhile.
I watched the first episode. My main criticism is that you don’t linger long enough on establishing shots, giving the edit a rushed, sometimes confusing feel.
Thanks for the feedback GLogus! I really value this type of feedback. As I’ve become exceedingly familiar with Rebels, confusion while watching becomes a difficult thing for me to judge when viewing.
Are you able to point to any direct examples? I’m fairly sure this is a result of the original work. I can think of a few examples that I’ve had to shorten an establishing shot for a wipe transition but as far as I’m aware these instances are few and far between.
Do you have any advice on how to remedy this? I’ll be returning to the first episode to implement feedback soon so any more on this point would be amazing 😃
Yes I agree, the show does start losing members of Phoenix Cell in Season 3 which goes a long way to making Thrawn feel credible. And I’ve been steadily upping the death count in the show as much as possible to add that tangible sense of loss.
As a side note here is how the end of the episode is looking with only Sabine’s father alive: https://youtu.be/sfOjeyp5bzA (this was the hardest part of this edit as it required me to do some visual effects work to remove Ursa and Tristan. I’d say it looks like I’m in the clear for pulling off Sabine’s mother and brother being killed by the duchess now that this section has the completed VFX)
I’ve got a pretty crazy idea I think I can pull off for S04E01.
Something that ALWAYS bothered me about this ark is that it hints that Sabine’s weapon kills her mother and brother, but then backs way off and shows that they’re alive and well. After like 2 minutes of dramatic music and shots and originally that was an episode cliffhanger.
Here’s my idea: I cut out Ursa and Tristan from returning and from any subsequent shot needed that they appear in.
Honestly, after this point, they do nothing of note in canon (or the episode) until they’re all killed offscreen before the Ahsoka show anyway. As far as I can tell, all that this changes is one (admittedly good) YouTube short with Tristan and Sabine.
With their deaths however, we have one high stakes ark about Sabine learning to forgive and not give into revenge as led by Bo Katan. I believe this change will also reframe this ark to make it not seem like it’s about Sabine becoming the leader Mandalore needs as this is not what ends up happening (at least currently anyway).
It’s a pretty drastic change so I wanted to post to get some thoughts.
EDIT: Another bonus if I include this is that it sets the tone for season 4. There will be victory but it’ll cost.
Wow! Thank you so much honestabe! That is some awesome feedback. All of which either merits consideration and change within season 1. Naturally, you can tell that reducing Jedi talk wasn’t an initial priority but I think it is a better choice of action. We’ll likely see some new versions of Season 1 episodes coming out. If you get a chance to combe through season 2 for instances like this, I’d greatly appreciate it! 😄
EP1:
All instances in episode one I think you’re spot on about and I’ll look into removing or changing them.
EP3:
I don’t mind them not knowing what they’re guarding but it is silly to have them say it aloud.
EP4:
I don’t actually mind the line at 23:53 - HOWEVER, I do think the scene would be more intimidating if he said nothing. So I’ll look into this.
Totally agree with the next line you pointed out as well.
EP6:
Moment at 5:10 I agree. I’ll likely cut the whole scene.
9:45 - I actually don’t mind too much. Yes he talks about Jedi in front of a crowd but it’s a small crowd. I also think due to working with the grand inquisitor Kallus should NOW be more familiar with the Jedi so it does make sense to a certain extent.
17:09 - Again, I don’t actually mind this line, however on a second inspection it’s unclear who “the jedi” is. Is it Ezra who is wielding a saber, or is it Kanan holding the fan. Would the unarmed rebel register as a “Jedi” to the stormtroopers? I think I’ll cut it completely.
EP7:
3:25 - I agree to keep it in.
6:20 - I think is fine. To make things fit with the OT the most, I think the Force and the Jedi are known about to differing levels in differing areas (e.g., planets, organisations, ect.). The citizens of Lothal become the rebels in season 3-4, so having rumors of Jedi around trying to help actually works and by presenting it as a rumor at this stage emphasises what memory the galaxy’s had of the Jedi is fading.
20:00 - I agree to keep it as is, he is diminishing the credibility of the claim which is important.
28:00 - Yeah, not much I can do with this being a pivotal plot point. I think that EVEN if the underworld spreads this information, not many people could find it reliable being from the criminal underworld and all.
To address your edited comment. I actually don’t think we’ll need any additional lines to fill in any blanks (at least for this season) but I’ll work that out as I review this feedback while editing 😃 Again thank you a lot! This is all very helpful! 😄
For 4K only:
For 4K only:
For recolors only:
Episode is critical as it continues the main plotline.
For 4K only:
It might be a little longer until I can release the 4K version of Fulcrum, unfortunately a power outage at my home corrupted the file during the upscaling process. I’ve got S02E02 ready with the audio fix, so I’ll likely release that soon and then begin the upscaling process again.
In the meantime, here is a sneak peak at the work I’ve put into Bendu’s force storm for Zero Hour:
https://youtu.be/k_CvUxWykjs
Thanks again to honestabe for suggesting to tone down what the Empire is exposed to when it comes to beings who can use the force.
The only scene I haven’t been able to remove the eyes from completely is when Bendu is shot down from the sky, however I think this works MUCH better then the original version 😃
I also agree to take a “less is more” aproach with AI, only using it when absolutely necessary, and even then, very sparsely.
Thanks PsyGemini, this is the approach I will continue to take within the edit after hearing all the feedback from my previous idea. 😃
As it stands, the only AI used in the edit is for the Sith Holocron Voice (text-to-speech). It will soon be replaced with a new dub (by me) which has had AI map on top of it. I originally used AI to assist in making adjustments to the writing style of my intro texts, but I’ve long since forgone that process after learning the style for myself.