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#308217
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Originally posted by: Bobocop
Originally posted by: Mojo_LA

I like most of what Ady did, but my friends and I were horrified at the music added to the saber fight in ANH. It doesn't belong there and is a far worse change than anything Lucas ever did. I'll take a 100 Greedos firing first over THAT.

Hamfistedly laying music behind it doesn't appreciably change it or make it better, so why not just leave it be?

Most of what Ady has done to his cut DOES help it, but I think in a few spots he suffers from "kid with a new toy" syndrome and is finding every last change he can make just for the sake of it.


Wow. That's spiteful. Not enough just to say "I didn't agree with that particular change" huh?
If you'd prefer Greedo missing a shot at point blank range to adding a bit of music to harken back to Obi-Wan/Vader's previous encounter, then just watch the 2004 trilogy DVD's instead.
I'm sure Adywan is very sorry for making you suffer through his travesty like that.
Adding slapstick droids, giant creatures moving in front of the camera and blocking out what's going on, and adding the Jabba scene where he basically repeats everything Greedo already said are examples of "kid with a new toy syndrome."
I didn't notice anything Adywan did that said "hey, look what I can do."
Anyone can add music to footage, so that can't be what the "kid with a new toy" was referring to. So what exactly was that comment targeted at?



Took the words right out of my mouth.

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#308175
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Originally posted by: Trooperman
Originally posted by: corellian77

Originally posted by: OBtwosy
not all that comes out of Hollywood is "good" simply because it comes out of Hollywood.

I'd go so far as to say most of what comes out of Hollywood isn't good.


I agree. Not that it's Mojo's fault, of course. I'm just not impressed with the people in Hollywood now-doesn't mean anything to me. They're just not turning out good stuff now. Completely brainless trash. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, you have these "art house", pseudo-intellectual films nobody wants to watch. They're just as bad, but bad in a different way.

Sorry for going off-topic...




Let's not get carried away. Poorly written poor quality work does greatly out number the truly good, or great. But the fact is that has always been the case. But let's not say there is NO quality in Hollywood because I can tell you there is, even if, of course it's not as talked about, if talked about at all. But there is a huge world of film and television beyond the world of Hollywood, and that's just the English language. There's a lot of good stuff out there. And don't knock "art house" cinema, even the bad. Because without it all you would have is main stream projects, and that would not be a better world to live in.

Getting back on topic, the easiest way to spot a wanker (in any industry) is when he throws around his job title with flash comments about "how great it is to work in the biz, and "I like it and believe I know what I'm talking about." Real professionals don't talk like that. It's just something I'm not a fan of and take offence to.
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#308156
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/308156/action/topic#308156
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First off I have a comment to Mojo:

I was originally going to say something when he gave his list with his "Hollywood" buddies but I decided not to because I didn't want to come off as starting something but after continuing comments, enough is enough.

You said some posts back that you liked the edit for the most part I believe and were looking forward to watching it with buddies, you go from that to name-dropping (with out the names) and give a list of likes and dislikes, or more abrasively "what they loved" and "what they hated". Now take no offence, but I don't care who these people are. Whoever they are, as far as opinions go in regards to this film, they are no different from the rest of us, unless you had over Rick McCallum, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg, maybe throw in Francis Coppola for a second opinion. I myself work in the industry, but I think that's moot because I don't think it lends anything to this discussion. So unlike some, I leave what I do at the door and I don't presume anyone cares.

Now again Mojo take no offence, your opinions are valid and perhaps you only have the best of intentions. But ultimately an opinion is all it is at the end of the day. You're going about this in a way that's not politic, a very necessary part of this professional world. And also in a way that you're trying to push the direction to a degree well beyond constructive criticism. That energy would be well spent perhaps doing your own preferred edit. If you are as good as you say you are I for one would love to see what you come up with.

Sorry for the rant everyone.

Lastly to Adywan:

Just keep on keepin on brother.
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#307850
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/307850/action/topic#307850
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Originally posted by: corellian77
Originally posted by: Denryanj
Also, I'm saddened to see this once friendly and positive thread( and the wonderful work by Adywan that inspired it) poisoned by rudeness, nitpickery and rancor.


"Oh no! The Rancor!"
-- C3PO

Apparently even Threepio was bothered by all this. I think the simplest way to avoid any further bad vibes would just be to stop critiquing this thing. The edit's done, so the point is moot. Let's just enjoy this amazing version of the film and move on.

And, as per a previous request, here's a calm, soothing picture of a kitten to help us all relax.
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6210/135030pcfloorpuzzlekittcg9.jpg


Well bloody said! Let's just enjoy what we have which is great, and when the dvd is released it will be better still.




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#307813
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Anywan,

I don't want to bore bore by sounding like a yes man, but I think the only thing that I would have changed are all part of the new changed that you have made (including the arm). I also have to say, what you did with the lightsabers is PERFECT. I don't think they're too fat at all. The sabers was easily the thing that bothered be the most from the orignal and even more so in the new cuts.
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#307665
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/307665/action/topic#307665
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But it is cool seeing people thinking that we have/had the capability to just wantonly produce such things as a square mile+ of Death Star surface from scratch for a shot.

Edit2: Whether Ady would welcome other contributors to create such composite layers for him is, of course, his call.
Okay, shutting up now.


Actually I had an idea about that, what about a cheat? Example: you have the shot of the Tie-fighters, what if the Deathstar is a digital mat painting? I don't see why that wouldn't work.
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#307575
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/307575/action/topic#307575
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Originally posted by: adywan
Originally posted by: ron2112
Ady, are the Death Star interiors somehow more desaturated on the Xvid than they will be on the DVD? I just started noticing this last night on my third viewing (someone else mentioned it pages ago, but I can't find the post). Most of the interior shots appear to be desaturated all the way to grayscale. So it's like a black and white movie in the background with maybe a few faces and panel lights in color. Vader almost always appears in total monochrome, with the exception of his lights.

Now... this could easily be my video card, I could be seeing it wrong. And I didn't notice this at all my first couple of viewings. But once I started seeing it, I had a hard time *not* seeing it in a high percentage of interior shots, and even during the DS battle (which is so awesome I rewound it three times... again!). Are my eyes playing tricks on me?

At least I didn't mention either flippers or TIEs!

Ron Moses

The interiors aren't all the way down to monocrome, there is still a hint of blue, but i always wanted the interiors to be grey .When doing the colour correction i tried bringing the blue down so it would match shot to shot but it created more problems. Some areas were so oversaturated that when i got parts to look the way i wanted there would be blue patches here and there and it also created video noise. Also some shots were almost monocrome when removing the blue tint so i had to set a medium and the only way to get it looking to what i wanted it to was to remove the blue from the walls so no patches existed. So inevitably some of the subtle blue tints were lost ( not that they were even there in the first place in some scenes due to the horrible colouring of the 2004 DVD). I mentioned about this before when i explained about the monocrome cockpits in shots during the Death Star trench run. I like the more monocrome look and thats all that matters to me
Originally posted by: sunday256
Now in a very sick way, Adywan knows how George feels. There's just no way to please everyone.

You got it exactly right there. there seems to be a lot of nit picking going on which totally took the buzz i had for having finished it. the whole flipper debate just became stupid. One thing that really bugged me is that a lot of people slam lucas for using CG for things that could be created using real world items but suddenly there is enthusiasm to use a CG created flipper instead of a real item. i know totally how he feels now. damned if you do, damned if you don't. i need to finish off these dvd's, get them out and forget about star wars for a while (apart from something i'm working on For jambe) otherwise the way i'm feeing at the moment ESB is a dead project. i'm just happy that the majority like what i've done. i knew i'd never be able to please everyone, but come on.. It a bloody edit that was created at home and not a studio job. I'm not a miracle worker and there were bound to be shots that don't look like a true hollywood movie. I only started trying to do Fx work about 14 months ago and i had never even touched After effects until after that. I'm 99% happy with it so i'm not really that bothered is others want to pull it apart. . The constructive criticism i like and its that which has helped me throughout the edit, it s just the plain bashing saying shots look like shit or that have got me to the point i'm at now.


Now hold on man! I refuse to let any of this get you down. What you have done is nothing short of bringing us to my mind the best revamped version of Star Wars I have ever seen, that's no small accomplishment. Yes the whole "flipper no flipper" thing is stupid. But look at the things that have been said, even the more blunt comments, and then compare it conversations about Lucas' Special scenes when they came out. "Han shooting first", "Badly rendered Jaba, Badly rendered Jaba again!". Put simply, you're not in the same boat with George. Anything cool about the new Special Editions was sadly overshadowed with the feeling of fans thinking "George, WTF are you doing???" In your case, even over the internet I can see the high level of excitement and joy in a way that has NEVER been so expressed before with the Special Editions. Every single one of us, including the people that can't help but knit pick every single fame because they can't help themselves, all of us, are bouncing off the wall with excitement because you've brought Star Wars back to fans in a real way, don't loose sight of that.
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#307388
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Originally posted by: adywan
or here's a very, very quick composite of the human arm ( and yes i know its the wrong hand but i can't take a photo of my right hand until the wife gets home. )


Looks pretty good for a quick composite. Even as a rough shot, I can feel the shock value of the shot.

p.s. the color and effects hold up extremely well of my HD 46'.
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#307256
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/307256/action/topic#307256
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ok, just watched the complete film. Very well executed. I liked the color correction, crisper, more grain, desaturated but for the better. Good sound mix. Good music choices, using the imperial march has grown on me, the music choice for the "board room" scene was great. I thought using music for the duel was bold but good. Music only overpowers the a sound a few times and not in a way that I had a problem with. Everything looks great except I urge you to check out the texture of the Death Star during the Tie fighter fly-by, it looks like a blurry render of the moon, it doesn't look like the Death Star.

My only other comment is that in my opinion, you should use a human hand for the bar scene, if only and simply because a hacked off human arm will look more dramatic.

I want to state again that these comments are made with appreciation of what you've done. It just looks plain brilliant.
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#307225
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Frist off, amazing, simply amazing. Hands down best version of the film I've seen so far.

Now a few comments if I may. I don't know if I would have used the imperial march only because in my mind it will always be part of that great intro in Empire, but it works. I don't have a problem with the "flipper", it could be tweaked perhaps but using it as apposed to the other arm is valid. Tech comment, I've noticed that during the Death Star attck, when the new tie fighters come pouring in, they look great, BUT, the surface of the death under them looks very blurry, like a low rendered video game skin, check it out. Otherwise everything looksamazing, as I said, the best I've seen the film.

p.s. I hope you don't mind me saying so. I dont know if I would have put my name so close to the begining of the credits, even Rick McCallum's name and others for the special edition are towards the end. I hope that you don't think anything I've said is silly or too anal.
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#299112
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&quot;Troy&quot; Re-Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299112/action/topic#299112
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The directors cut isn't bad. It's a great improvement, most of the new scenes add charactor and the pace is different and better, less jerky editing. It should also be noted as an interesting side note that this cut (unlike other 'director's cut) is in a way a fan edit, by the director. Firstly, unlike a film like Blade Runner or Kingdom Of Heaven, where a different kind of film was invisioned then what was released, Peterson went back and changes the style and tone after the fact. The second case bieng that in some cases sountracks from other films is used, for example during the fight with Pitt and Bana, The Danny Elfmen Theme to Planet of the Apes is used.
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#292858
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Star Wars: Fall of the Republic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292858/action/topic#292858
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A few comments...

First of all, the prequels as one fils is a brilliant idia for a few reasons. You can completly work around all of the jar jar and young anikan stuff with out it bieng a structure problem. For the most part I love what was done with the ep1 part of the editing, good text for the crawl (if a bit fast and dodgy). I don't mind so much that Jar Jar "just hangs arounds" because in turms of the Star Wars films, a creature CG or otherwise bieng around or even a member of the party is nothing new so edited well enough, it works. But as much as I like the idea of the two jedis going to the ship and then flighting Darth Maul, I have a problem with the background. Like it or not Maul is standing next under a big stone archway, and no amount of clever cutting will fix that. Also I think it would work if you had them on the planet and leave the amadala parts in, it brakes up the Jedi well enough. Beyond that I've only seen up to most of the ep2 stuff and it looks good. In my opinion, some of the "dumb jokes" should be left in, like for example Anikan getting crap from obi wan about taking so long and he rebudding about finding the right speeder. I think some of that stuff works and I don't believe you can, or should, have star wars eithout some amount of slap stick. Plus I think at the very least it brake up the pacing of the effects, and without something to distract, the film is just one long effect. And to quote Lucas ironiclly: "A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing."

It short I think the idea is great, in practice it works for the most part but could use a bit more left in for pacing and such. And I think it would be fine to let it stretch out as long as three and a half or so hours. My two cents!

Great job, can't wait to see a second go of it if you do so.
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#283552
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SMITH - Ray Liotta TV Series as a Full Length Movie (Released)
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Originally posted by: lorang
It's had a full run here in England 6 episodes have been shown and the 7th and final one this Tues, so got 6 episodes to work on at the moment, but the way I'm doing it is the movie will detail just the gold bullion job that entire arc which lasted the first 5 episodes and had a more natural ending but will need the first episode to introduce the charaters and maybe the art theft will be shown in flashback and episode 6 to round off the jeff and revenge seeking surfer storyline, and to add a little more adult nature to it possibly drop a bit of strong language in, which is picked up from a few Ray Liotta movies... welll thats the plan.


Honestly, I'm not familiar with the show, but I think this is a great and interesting idea. As an editng exercise I'm sure it will be a lot of fun to do and I'll be interested to see how it turns out.

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#283369
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Info: If... (1968)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/283369/action/topic#283369
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I have good new and bad news.

The bad news is I have not made any progress on this dew largely to a heavy work life. For this I'm am sorry to all those expecting this project to be finished a lot sooner. Or finished at all as the case may be.

The very good news, is that IF, for the first time ever, will be officially released for the first time on dvd!!! And as a Criterion Collection release no less!! The print will be a new, restored high-definition digital transfer (probably the UK cut which as I said before is just slightly different from the US). btw, the claim is that it's "presented in its original theatrical aspect ratio of 1.66:1." Commentary from Malcolm McDowell. Some interviews from cast and crew. As well as Thursday’s Children, a 1954 documentary directed by Linsey Anderson. So there you have it, it doesn't get any better then that. The release date is June.

Again I'm sorry for not completing this a long time ago but perhaps there will still be something to release. Perhaps the "US" version by itself. I would like to thank everyone's support for this. Will Tasker, thanks for your copy of the track from the film.