electrictroy

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Join date: 4-May-2005
Last activity: 24-Jul-2005
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Post: #104191
Topic: Got the LD rips - Now How Do I Make Them Work?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104191/action/topic#104191
Time: 5-May-2005 2:25 PM

In my previous message, I wasn't talking about the Original Trilogy 400-line resolution laserdiscs. I was talking *in general* that MPEG4 is a superior standard over MPEG2. Nor was I talking about converting MPEG2 to MPEG4, because that would be foolish.

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But since you brought it up, given a choice, I'd rather see the laserdiscs converted directly to an MPEG4 computer file. I've grown tired of seeing MPEG2 artifacts (blockiness or pixelation) on my DVDs.

Also, I'm sure with the arrivial of Blu-Ray DVDs, MPEG4 will be the new archival standard. I might as well accept it now, versus later.

ASIDE: If anyone's interested (or not), I've decided to purchase the actual laserdiscs. My friend's got a laserdisc player he doesn't want anymore, so I figure I might as well watch the real thing, rather than a dub.
troy

Post: #104206
Topic: Soooo.... which Laserdisc version has the best non-SE version?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104206/action/topic#104206
Time: 5-May-2005 9:14 AM

I see a couple possibilities:

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from http://www.davisdvd.com/misc/ep4.htm
1992 - CLV - Coupled with the 1985 audio mix, this could be the best presentation of the film.
1993 - CAV - C-3PO's "tractor beam" dialogue is missing. Suffers too much video noise reduction.
1995 - CLV - noise problem fixed

What makes the 1992 release "best" over the 1995 version?

troy

Post: #104205
Topic: Close Wars cartoon - I'm sorry, but i thought this sucked
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104205/action/topic#104205
Time: 5-May-2005 9:05 AM

The first 20 are available, edited together, on DVD so you might want to check it out.

QUESTION:

Anyone know why they didn't include chapters 21-25 on Volume 1?

troy

Post: #104203
Topic: I like the Special Editions ..... minus some scenes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104203/action/topic#104203
Time: 5-May-2005 9:01 AM

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Originally posted by: BosskAs for opinions being crammed down others' throats... you're the one that said "Nostalgia is nice. Progress is better." That's an opinion that you are offering up as gospel truth and trying to tell me that what I said was wrong.

Strawman argument (again). There you go, putting words into my mouth. I didn't say you were wrong. I was sharing my perspective (I liked old 8-bit games with upgraded 16-bit graphics... as long as the gameplay remains the same) in order to explain the subject of this thread - "I like the Special Editions ..... minus some scenes."

I didn't expect or require you to agree with me.

Also, anything under the words "Troy Heagy" is my opinion, not "gospel truth". That should have been obvious, without my telling you.

Friends?

Troy :-)

Post: #104202
Topic: I like the Special Editions ..... minus some scenes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104202/action/topic#104202
Time: 5-May-2005 8:56 AM

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Originally posted by: Darth Simonyou object to the Yub Nub deleting because its a change in the scene. Wouldnt stuff like the intro to mos eisley be a change...or is that a CGI enhancement? Where does the line get drawn? Also, you said you dislike the missing Yub Nub song, but what about the rest of the changes to that scene, ie the celebrations in other cities, you said you liked these, or at least the toppling Emperor statue. What makes these more obvious visual changes acceptable but not an audio change

(1) Cleaning - Replacing models with CGI is equivalent to cleaning up the movie & erasing the squares from around the models. Same scene, but now it looks real, instead of fake.

(2) Audio - I have no more desire to hear the original "flat" 2-channel stereo than I want to see fake-looking models w/ black squares around them. Go ahead and remix it for 5.1 surround.

(3) Subtraction - I hate subtraction. I don't like that Lucas took away songs that are burned into my skull (yub-nub & the original song in Jabba's Lair). It's like giving candy to a kid, and then taking it away. MEAN, and the part of the SE I don't like.

(4) Changes - The added creatures wandering through Mos Eisley don't change the flow of the scene. We still have Luke & Obi-Wan asking for directions, same as always. The good stuff is still there.

(5) Adding - The toppling emperor's statue and parties on distant worlds are added scenes. We still see Luke, Leia, et cetera celebrating their victory, same as always. The good stuff is still there.

NOW I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU:
Ever read the books Tale of Two Cities or Oliver Twist or David Copperfield? Those are *not* the original versions. The original versions were published in newspapers for daily reading, and the books versions are "special editions" with re-worked story and re-writing. Do you think Charles Dickens' "special editions" of his books are as wrong as George Lucas' re-working of Star Wars?

Should Dickens' have left his books "as is" without changes, as originally published in the newspaper?

Why is it okay for book authors to make changes (Dickens/Twain/Bronte all made changes), but unacceptable for another author (Lucas)? Why the double standard?

troy

Post: #104139
Topic: Got the LD rips - Now How Do I Make Them Work?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104139/action/topic#104139
Time: 5-May-2005 8:38 AM

Originally posted by: RikterThere are aome XVID versions of the OT on the torrent network - BUt why use such a low rez format for these films?

I don't know about XVID, but I do know that MPEG4 will exceed the quality of DVD (mpeg2), given the same amount of space. I've seen HDTV-quality vids encoded in MPEG4 standard that are absolutely gorgeous.

I'm going to check out the BSplayer. Thanks!

troy

Post: #104192
Topic: I like the Special Editions ..... minus some scenes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104192/action/topic#104192
Time: 5-May-2005 8:32 AM

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Originally posted by: Bossk
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Originally posted by: electrictroyOriginally posted by Bossk: "Star Wars was great. Nobody had ever bothered to make something so realistic before."

(1) 2001 made in 1969 was more realistic (there are no sounds in space!).
If you're looking for realism, then why are you watching Star Wars?

Strawman Argument. I didn't say I was looking for realism. Please don't put words in my mouth. YOU were the one who falsely claimed Star Wars was realistic, not me.

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Nostalgia is nice. Progress is better. I like to play Super Mario, with upgraded 16-bit graphics. Same game. Better looks.Purely subjective. Don't expect everyone to buy into your opinion.
Yes it is MY opinion. So why don't you let me have it, instead of verbally beating me, and trying to force me to change it?

troy :-)

Post: #104144
Topic: I like the Special Editions ..... minus some scenes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104144/action/topic#104144
Time: 5-May-2005 2:53 AM

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Originally posted by: Darth Simon
Have you watched the commentaries on the deleted scenes for the PT? Lucas himself states that he cut scenes from them that he liked. I never said he cut it from the film cause he didnt like it, obviously you have an insight into Lucas' thought process that I 'unfortunatly' dont have.

All I know is what Lucas said in an interview, and he said he wanted the Han-Jabba scene in the first movie, but couldn't make it work, due to limited technology.

If that's not true, I'd have to conclude Lucas is lying, and I'm not prepared to make that leap. ;-)

troy

Post: #104142
Topic: Was the Original Trilogy ever released to Super VHS?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104142/action/topic#104142
Time: 5-May-2005 2:49 AM

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Originally posted by: SilverWook
(SVHS is about equal with LD, but without LD's video gremlins.)

Video gremlins?

troy

Post: #103966
Topic: Got the LD rips - Now How Do I Make Them Work?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103966/action/topic#103966
Time: 4-May-2005 4:57 PM

Originally posted by: greencapt
As for OGMs, I'm kinda new to those (ie don't have any files, haven't played around with them) so I can't really tell you on that one. But when you have time run a search at that website I sent you and they should have something. Is your DivX player a stand-alone one or software?

DivX = the freebie player I downloaded

OGM = some strange file format that carries multiple audio streams (english, japanese, and/or subtitles). In order to view it, I must run it through 2 different programs to split out the standard AVI file.

I think I'll just go buy the DVD. ;-)

troy

Post: #103941
Topic: Got the LD rips - Now How Do I Make Them Work?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103941/action/topic#103941
Time: 4-May-2005 3:08 PM

Originally posted by: KaryudoYou're an electrical engineer and you can't figure this out? Wow..... I still can't believe you'd expose your ignorance so clearly, and then proudly qualify yourself as an engineer.

Karyudo:

There is no justification for attacking another person, as you did to me. Yes, I was frustrated I couldn't make the LaserDisc downloads work & that they weren't available in the usual MPEG4 I am used to, but I didn't attack YOU and call you "ignorant", did I?

No.

You could try showing the same courtesy towards me instead of kicking me in the balls with your verbal attacks. Learn to be like GreenCapt who was extremely friendly & helpful.

You could also learn to use the words, "I'm sorry."

Troy

Post: #104009
Topic: How is a Star Wars laserdisc ripped?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104009/action/topic#104009
Time: 4-May-2005 1:00 PM

"Every VCR records as separate luminance and chrominance" although only Super VHS and Hi-8 provides those two signals to the outside world.

http://www.dansdata.com/video.htm

Post: #104007
Topic: Was the Original Trilogy ever released to *Super* VHS?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104007/action/topic#104007
Time: 4-May-2005 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"I can view PAL"

Wouldn't this at least be close to the resolution you were hoping for?

Nah... PAL VHS is still only ~220 lines horizontal resolution. The bandwidth of the signal stored to tape is too narrow to hold any higher resolution.

troy

Post: #104003
Topic: I like the Special Editions ..... minus some scenes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104003/action/topic#104003
Time: 4-May-2005 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by: Bossk
Color me crazy, but I dig on those squares. It marks the limitations of the available technology, yes. But it reminds you of all that Lucas had to overcome in making those movies. That was how he had to make it look like something was flying and it was great. Nobody had ever bothered to make something so realistic before.

Well I have two thoughts on that:

(1) 2001 made in 1969 was more realistic (there are no sounds in space!).

(2) Although I enjoy playing old 8-bit games like Super Mario, given a choice, I'd rather play the 16-bit versions. Same Game. Better Looks.
The same applies to Star Wars. Why settle for the primitive model technology & black squares around the ships, when you can have the same movie, but with better looks & no squares?

Nostalgia is nice.
Progress is better.

My only objections are when Lucas actually *changed the scene* like deleting the Yub-Yub Song I disagree with that. But where he left the scene intact, merely enhanced with CGI, I think it's good.

troy

Post: #103986
Topic: Was the Original Trilogy ever released to *Super* VHS?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103986/action/topic#103986
Time: 4-May-2005 11:27 AM

VHS = ~1975 standard = 220 lines of horizontal resolution

Super VHS = ~1990 standard = 425 lines of horizontal resolution. Super VHS has almost-DVD-like clarity, and I love it. It's great for recording TV without any degradation! And I'd love to own the original trilogy in this format.

By the way, there's a NEW standard out there = Digital VHS = capable of recording 1080-interlaced HDTV upto 4 hours. Can also record 50 hours of DVDs.

troy

Post: #103983
Topic: How is a Star Wars laserdisc ripped?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103983/action/topic#103983
Time: 4-May-2005 11:17 AM

I'm surprised that Laserdisc uses a composite signal to store the video.

Even lowly VHS stores the video as 2 separate signals (s-video). I wonder what led the Laserdisc engineers to the "composite storage" decision?

BTW, I still have a couple of RCA Selecta-vision "video-records" in my basement (they use needles, not lasers). Those have really deteriorated over-the-years... clearer than VHS, but with lots of noise in the signal.
troy

Post: #103975
Topic: Was the Original Trilogy ever released to Super VHS?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103975/action/topic#103975
Time: 4-May-2005 11:08 AM

No idea who "Sean Devlin" is

troy

Post: #103974
Topic: Close Wars cartoon - I'm sorry, but i thought this sucked
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103974/action/topic#103974
Time: 4-May-2005 11:07 AM

(take a deep breath before you flame me & hear me out)

The first ~20 chapters were nothing but constant battles, and virtually no dialogue. It felt... juvenile. Childish. No depth. I'm kinda disappointed I wasted my money on the Clone Wars DVD. :-(

Chapters 21-25 were better.

Troy Heagy
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Post: #103972
Topic: Was the Original Trilogy ever released to Super VHS?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103972/action/topic#103972
Time: 4-May-2005 11:04 AM

I can view PAL.

But I'm more concerned about the format. Not just plain-jane VHS. I am looking for *Super* VHS.

troy

Post: #103971
Topic: Was the Original Trilogy ever released to *Super* VHS?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103971/action/topic#103971
Time: 4-May-2005 11:02 AM

Let me start by saying, I am NOT trying to offend anybody here. Twice now, I've posted questions, and people assumed I was posting insult.

So I'm stating up-front: "I'm not trying to insult you."

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Just curious..... was the Original Trilogy ever released to *Super* VHS? The laserdisc is good, but I'd rather have Super VHS if possible (better resolution).

Troy Heagy

Post: #103968
Topic: Was the Original Trilogy ever released to Super VHS?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103968/action/topic#103968
Time: 4-May-2005 10:59 AM

Jedikev

All I did was ask a question: "I don't think that's the Super VHS set, is it?" What the hell are you offended about???????

troy

Post: #103861
Topic: Got the LD rips - Now How Do I Make Them Work?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103861/action/topic#103861
Time: 4-May-2005 10:47 AM

Originally posted by: Karyudo

Originally posted by: electrictroy Troy Heagy - Electrical Engineer

You're an electrical engineer and you can't figure this out? Wow..... I still can't believe you'd expose your ignorance so clearly, and then proudly qualify yourself as an engineer.

Yeah I admit I am ignorant about these files, but at least I'm not an asshole like you appear to be. You arrogant SOB.

"The first step to knowledge is admitting you do not know."

Remember that.

troy

Post: #103860
Topic: Got the LD rips - Now How Do I Make Them Work?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103860/action/topic#103860
Time: 4-May-2005 10:46 AM

Thanks, I have PowerDVD and will try that. Now, know anything about converting OGM to a watchable format for DivX Player? ;-) Sometimes, I wonder if it's easier to just BUY the videos?

I figure I have two choices:
- Waste an hour trying to compile these files into viewable format.
- Waste an hour at my job, earn $40, and then walk into the store and buy the vids legally.

Either way, I've "spent time" of one hour. Same Difference.

THANKS AGAIN GREENCAPT!

Troy Heagy :-)

Post: #103964
Topic: Was the Original Trilogy ever released to Super VHS?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103964/action/topic#103964
Time: 4-May-2005 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by: Jedikev
The Greatest VHS Boxset is definatly (no doubt) - The Limited Edition "Executor" Boxset (1995)

THIS IS NOT "SUPER VHS"

At least it doesn't sound like it??? I don't see any "S-VHS" markings on that picture you posted?

troy

Post: #103953
Topic: Was the Original Trilogy ever released to Super VHS?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103953/action/topic#103953
Time: 4-May-2005 9:51 AM

Just curious..... laserdisc is good, but I'd rather have Super VHS if possible (better resolution).

Troy Heagy