dwalkerdon23

crissrudd4554 said:

dwalkerdon23 said: It sounds better because it's the original Dolby SR 2 channel mix on the Image & Criterion DVD's. The 20th anniversary DVD & Blu Ray Of Robocop does have a Dolby 4.0 track however (Which is the Original Audio, but Discrete 4 channel vs matrixed Dolby Stereo Pro Logic) so maybe that mix will sound better than the MGM 5.1 Remixed versions.

I've listened to the 4.0 mix. It's not much different from the 5.1 mix even though the 4.0 mix is listed as the original. I still prefer the Image & Criterion versions. One thing I'd like to know is if on the 4k release is the flashback shot of Joe and Emil when Murphy is operated on has been fixed. On the last release this shot came out very dark and you could hardly spot them.

 

The Image & Criterion DVD's probably come straight from the Dolby SR Master Tapes.

crissrudd4554 said:

Good point. I guess it does depend on the elements that are used. For example I think the audio on the Image and Criterion DVDs for RoboCop sound much better than any of the MGM releases. Nothing particularly different but it just seems like its mixed better. For example, check out the scene where Clarences gang open fire  on the open highway before realizing Murphy and Lewis have maneuvered the car to the side of the van. The gun shots sound a lot better on the older release. They seem a bit watered down in the MGM releases. Interestingly, I have the MGM version of RoboCop for itunes and that version sounds better than the MGM DVDs! 

 It sounds better because it's the original Dolby SR 2 channel mix on the Image & Criterion DVD's. The 20th anniversary DVD & Blu Ray Of Robocop does have a Dolby 4.0 track however (Which is the Original Audio, but Discrete 4 channel vs matrixed Dolby Stereo Pro Logic) so maybe that mix will sound better than the MGM 5.1 Remixed versions.

My Big Gripe with The New Robocop Remastered in 4k Blu-Ray is that they did not include the Original Dolby 4.0 Audio that was on the Blu-Ray version that was released in 2007. I will still buy the 4k remastered version though.

crissrudd4554 said:

I'm also curious as to how the mono of Jaws is on the Blu-Ray. I have the 2012 DVD and after watching it with the mono I think the mono mix on the 2005 DVD is somewhat better. I noticed a little more clarity on the older release. One thing I noticed is that the sound of the shark crushing up the cage around 1:56:07 sounds a bit drowned out on the mono mix on the 2012 DVD than the 2005 DVD. I also was checking out the 2012 DVD for E.T. and the music sounds odd during the close up shot of the agents rifle. It sounds like it almost switches to a mono mix and cuts back to regular when it cuts to Elliott closing his eyes. Anyone got anything on this???

 It's probably due to different source elements used for remasters. Some of the mixes could be alternates.

Have you heard the muffled audio track for the Bruce Lee movie Game Of Death on the Bruce Lee Ultimate Collection DVD Set? The Audio on the older Bruce Lee: The Master Collection Set is way way better because the  Audio Elements Golden Harvest used were Different from the ones used by Fox for there Bruce Lee Laserdisc/VHS/DVD Set (The Master Collection is The Identical Masters used for the Widescreen VHS & Widescreen Laserdisc. The CBS/FOX special Widescreen Edition Appears at the beginning of the Movie.

Avatar_Emil said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Avatar_Emil said: IT DOES? How do you know that? I was under the impression that the 75th anniversary Blu-ray DIDN'T have mono. Also, according to this, there was a DVD release which did have mono, if not two.

 This article on bluray.com on the release does confirm a mono mix.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Wizard-of-Oz-3D-Blu-ray/72226/#Review

 Thanks everybody for confirming this. Here is the updated info:

VHS: Unknown if VHS had original mono. High possibility that they have.

LD: Some LD's are mono (like the 50th Anniversary Edition), others were fake stereo (like a Japanese release with reference number G98F5545).

DVD: Dolby Digital 5.1 for the simple release, slightly altered mono included in the Collector's Edition and 70th Anniversary Edition.

BD: Both Dolby TrueHD 5.1 and mono sound is available on both the 70th Anniversary Blu-ray and the 75th Anniversary 2D and 3D Blu-ray.

                                                                                                                  

And here's something that I can't wrap my head around. About 2 years ago, the 1994 Don Bluth movie Thumbelina got released on Blu-ray. As far as I know, it was a European only release, but despite having 8 different dubs available, one is very absent, namely the Swedish dub. I know that this movie got a Swedish dub, because I owned a VHS that was dubbed in Swedish, but the only thing we Swedish speakers got on Blu-ray and even DVD was Swedish subtitles. I think that when 20th Century Fox got the distribution rights for this movie from Warner Bros., they for some reason removed the Swedish dub. What do you think of this?

Avatar_Emil , Thumbelina was  released on Blu-Ray Here in the US. I have seen it at Walmart many times, & you can find it at amazon.com.

A lot of dubs/ Languages get removed on Blu-Ray for some reason. I guess the studios think that there is no demand for certain languages, or maybe it has to do with Royalties for the voice actors in those regions

Moth3r said:

dwalkerdon23 said:

...this is the AC3 Pro Logic of track of Titan A.E.  converted to Flac.

converting it to FLAC removes Dialnorm & DRC & brings it back to its normal volume.

Wouldn't it be easier to just disable DRC on your decoder and turn the volume up?

 Disabling DRC in your decoder wont work. Converting it to Flac, Wav, Mp3, or OGG Vorbis will remove all of the Dialnorm/ DRC settings.

Download my rips & do a comparison to real lossless audio. Listen to it for yourself & tell me what you think.

I have done comparisons to Laserdisc Audio & Blu Ray & it matches the fidelity of lossless formats.

clenchdwarf said:

I wouldn't bother turning 2-channel Dolby Surround into 5.1 with either software or hardware; any surround sound system will have hardware decoding for DPL from 2-channel sources.  Let the viewer decide whether to turn on surround decoding or watch it in stereo.

ALAC, FLAC, WavPack and The True Audio are some lossless formats that are legal in mkv.  (No, I've never come across TTA either.)  Of those, FLAC seems like it would be the best-supported.

As for converting AC3 to lossless, I can't see how that is any different from just playing the AC3 file in the first place.  Personally, I was always disappointed in the audio from DVDs; it just didn't seem as "alive" as laserdisc PCM.  No, I haven't blind tested this, but Widescreen Review's DVD/LD comparisons often said the LD sound was better.

Listen to this file i posted on this website clenchdwarf

http://www.packupload.com/P2RKGCM63AO

this is the AC3 Pro Logic of track of Titan A.E.  converted to Flac.

converting it to FLAC removes Dialnorm & DRC & brings it back to its normal volume.

here is the ac3 2.0 Pro Logic track of the Star Wars Episode 1 The Phantom Menace converted to MP3

http://www.packupload.com/6BDLEMC79Q1

 Compare the fidelity of these rips to Blu Ray & Laserdisc & I guarantee it will match it

SilverWook,

Yeah, it was released Theatrically with 5.1 Dolby Digital.

The DTS mix is authentic according to IMDB which says that it was released in Dolby Digital , DTS & SDDS.

The link I Posted was just the 2.0 Pro logic mix that was on the DVD(Converted from AC3 to Flac) Most Older Fox DVD's came with 2.0 Pro logic tracks.

Let me know what you think about my FLAC rips!

I have converted ac3 & DTS tracks to WAV, Flac, Ogg Vorbis, & even MP3 & It strips  it of all the Dialnorm & DRC & brings it back to its master settings.

I have used Handbrake & DVD audio extractor/ripper & it does the job well.

Hold on to your older DVD's many of them include the original mixes of the films.

here is an example of one i did for the Movie Poltergeist 2: The Other Side. here is the link: http://www.packupload.com/QLQVATPMD50

Here is another one, Titan A.E. in Flac from the DVD 2.0 Pro Logic file:

http://www.packupload.com/P2RKGCM63AO

it is 499mb, so its pretty large

I converted the Poltergeist II AC3 2.0 Pro logic track to Flac & it sounds phenomenal! If any of you have the LD version compare my rip to the LD & I guarantee that it will sound nearly Identical.

I have done this with about 10 movies & they sound amazing.

Find the 1993 unaltered Star Wars Trilogy DVD's released in 2006 & convert The Pro Logic AC3 files to Flac using DVD Audio Extractor. You will be blown away by the dynamics, trust me!

remember to set the appropriate channels such as 6 channels for 5.1 content, & 2 channels for Mono & Stereo soundtracks when you rip.

 you wont be disappointed once you try it

I have experimented with dvd audio extraction programs and  i have found that converting ac3 to flac, wav or Ogg Vorbis restores the original master quality( meaning no dialnorm drc, etc)

here is an example of Poltergeist 2: the other side original ac3 2.0 track converted to flac. Here is the download link.

http://www.packupload.com/QLQVATPMD50

Most older Paramount DVD's have the original 2.0 Dolby Pro Logic Stereo Theatrical Mix. Use a DVD Audio Ripping program & compare the ac3 track to the flac, wav or Ogg Vorbis Version.

I have converted many ac3/ DTS soundtracks to ogg & flac & I have compared newer & older mixes & found that the older releases have better dynamics & the newer mixes are somewhat toned down, even when the older ac3 mix is at a lower bitrate.

check out this torrent that i uploaded: http://kickass.to/terminal-velocity-1994-dvdrip-flac-5-1-t8558227.html

this is the newer Terminal Velocity Mill Creek Transfer converted from ac3 to flac 5.1. i got this from a double feature DVD with the Nic Cage Movie Fire Birds.

To me Older Buena Vista DVD sounds better in my opinion. I have the file just pm me for the link.

Converting ac3 to flac, wav & ogg makes a huge difference. Try it you wont be disappointed

if any of you have the blu ray disc  can you get back to me & compare it to this rip please?