dvdmike

jero32 said:

Here we go: (PLEASE CONSIDER A MINOR REFERENCE ONLY, QUALITY IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE A 100% RIGHT CONCLUSION.)

http://imgur.com/AFYmF2v

http://imgur.com/yVrRrIr

http://imgur.com/uwaLjmO

http://imgur.com/uqXdb4a

http://imgur.com/4YtiCPY

http://imgur.com/2er2GzL

http://imgur.com/4AGDHQ0

http://imgur.com/fMWqgIC

http://imgur.com/IMdgK6t

http://imgur.com/ivghYoc

http://imgur.com/2ZbIGXf

As you can see the pictures suggest a somewhat warm picture. Due to the quality we can draw no 100% right conclusion. I stil think however that the bluray was meant to mimmick the 35mm with a warmer (as in an 80's) bulb used to project it.

Edit: pictures provided by Harmy, had to check if he was ok with me mentioning that.

They are great, but the sunset shot looks to me closer to the wowow version

Wowow

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/18099

BD

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/18100

skyjedi2005 said:

dvdmike said:

My bad, thought you were talking about the wowow.

Weird he thought Doom, and Crusade were ok tho

There is that or that Lucasfilm or Paramount did not want to spend the money on extensive restorations of the prequel and first sequel.

When it cost them nothing to use an already available HD transfer.

Seriously if it was up to GL we probably would have gotten the dodgy Lowry masters on BD.

I've seen their HD version of Raiders you think the BD is degrained you have not seen the lowry level of degrain destruction.

Yeah, its ass, there is no fine detail on the Lowry one.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/18097

Colours are the same tho, two companies got the same colours.

Do not get me wrong the wowow is far from perfect, it is over sharpened and there are aliasing issues, but it was made for HDTV and shame on Paramount for using them as retail transfers.

Mind you Star Wars shared the same fate!

jero32 said:

That 35mm shot actually is counter evidence to what I said, so kudos for posting it. (sorry but in the other thread there was a lot of "I remember")
I'm stil not entirely convinced though, the scan might have been made with a modern projector bulb, known to be much cooler than older bulbs. (also another reason color timing might differ from showing to showing)

We should really just aquire a 16mm or something and put this to rest.

That would be ideal, or even better some frames from one of the 70mm blow ups

Right, I do not want to get anyone's hopes up but I may have found 2+3

Stay tuned it is looking like a slow download!

My bad, thought you were talking about the wowow.

Weird he thought Doom, and Crusade were ok tho

Lowry did not do the Wowow version

Cool blue in the middle of the desert? surely not! and that trailer is proof of nothing, in a higher res and correct colour space it stands equal chance of looking like either shot.

jero32 said:

So its just a massive coincidence that the sun shot looks the same in both of those? (provided no altering was done on the trailer)

 

edit: those being the trailer and the blu-ray of course.

The quality on that, I could say my mum played indy and you would hard pressed to prove me wrong

jero32 said:

I'm not saying it's a 100% correct. I'm saying that it could've been though.

Found the theatrical trailer, but I'm not sure if its from the blu-ray (seems pretty untouched color wise though)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZQW0bUbQMw&feature=player_detailpage#t=41s Heres the sun shot, seems more accurate to the bluray color wise.

Granted its not 100% reliable.

That looks like VHS level colour space, hardly reliable 

jero32 said:

First of all, people don't have great memory when it comes to color. So I'm not accepting any "but I remember it looking like x" as a reference.

Orange flag can be explained as "not perfectly correct". Like I said I think they tried to aproximate the look of the prints, not match it 100% exactly. It can stil be more correct with a slightly orange flag. (how do you know the flag wasn't orange in the original run anyway? And don't tell me it's not the color the flags are in real life, movies rarely ever look exactly like real life color wise.)

I think the sun shot was actually in the 35mm ebay auction. Can someone post those pics for comparison? The ebay auction is down.

 

edit: maybe not "rarely" but slight color changes to movies (e.g. color timing) is what I meant.

So the transfer that they are red in like real life is wrong, and the one they are orange in is right as its a movie?

Also don't make an over generalisation when it comes to people and their memory of colour.

http://moviestuff.ecrater.com.au/p/15383345/raiders-of-the-lost-ark-harrison#

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/18094

Yeah no thanks for the new transfer, you can keep it

It was green when I saw it in the late 90's and as far as i am aware the Nazi's never did an orange version of their flag

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/18041

Also there is some DNR mostly on the effects shots but this shot looks like ass

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/18040

And that is proof that that transfer can do warm

And if people are going with the HDTV is wrong argument, then why were Doom and Raiders left alone on the Blu-ray?

Same master set from Laser Pacific, same colour timing.

Raiders was changed to match Crystal Skull.

djchaseb said:

I'll chime in to say I actually prefer the way Raiders looks on Blu Ray as opposed to previous DVD and HD broadcasts.

Why? Any reason, or just a preference?

To take it away from the terminator thread

The new master was done well over a year ago, its not if but when.

And I think the colour will be more more aggressive

skyjedi2005 said:

dvdmike said:

skyjedi2005 said:

I thought it was pretty much a given the Best BD so far was the Japanese release.  Over the US Skynet.

The Super Expensive blu ray Dark Jedi owns.

It resolves the grain slightly better than the UK disc, but there is not much in it. Not for the price and 100%not with that master. But compared to the skynet I would take my Japanese laserdisc.

Is it the Anamorphic Squeeze Disc , i always wondered what that looked like the japan LD. 

No,I did have that but the costs involved meant I flipped it for a big profit. (regret that)

It looked as good as the DVD but the colour was not as vibrant.

What I really want is the hi vision disc

skyjedi2005 said:

I thought it was pretty much a given the Best BD so far was the Japanese release.  Over the US Skynet.

The Super Expensive blu ray Dark Jedi owns.

It resolves the grain slightly better than the UK disc, but there is not much in it. Not for the price and 100%not with that master. But compared to the skynet I would take my Japanese laserdisc.

Harmy said:

djchaseb said:

Another version of Terminator 2 on Blu Ray? This will be the 3rd US release right?

Yes, and it's sorely needed - so far the best HD version of Terminator 2 is HDDVD - the first BD version is the same master as the HD DVD but suffers from some sort of artifacts that the HDDVD doesn't and the 2nd BD release (the one I was unfortunate enough to buy as it is the only one that came out in my country) has really horrible DVNR. And I mean like old school DVNR, motion smearing and everything - I downloaded a 12GB HDDVD rip of the movie and it beats the hell out of the BD I own :-/

The first blu gets a bad rep, its an early mpeg 2 bd25 its as good as a launch disc gets.

There is a UK Blu I own that is the HD DVD ported over, but is not the TC.

At the end of the day it is moot as the master is the same and has poor detail resolution and print damage, shame the new master will be the typical Lowry degrain/regrain with a real push, and no doubt some digital alterations

skyjedi2005 said:

I just find it weird they do it at all.  It would be like if Disney decided to put  star wars from 1977 on blu ray but then color timed it to match the original theatrical colors of empire strikes back.

Who said they won't?

Third, that is correct. 

The master is the same worldwide, old and crap with no real detail, the new disc is a band new Lowry (ugh) master

I want to know where the missing extras from the new t1 went!

skyjedi2005 said:

Was not the Terminator before the new BD ever recolor timed?  I mean to match the second film.  Seems to be something they do these days as they did it with the Matrix and Lord of the Rings.

Its a Cameron thing, he loves the teal look check out aliens! Plus coming soon The abyss, true lies, and terminator 2 

Its on the first t2 special edition disc

djchaseb said:

 Wow lol, how does this stuff go unnoticed at the studios that prepare these blu ray masters?  

They notice, they just do not care

They are identical to the Blu as far as changes go, the Blu has the removed reflection also nothing else was changed 

msycamore said:

Impressive color work on T1 You_Too!

Regarding the various broadcasts of Raiders, keep in mind that they contain digitally tweaked fx-shots which the BD finally restored.

Nope, those are the Lowry BBC ones, these are the theatrical versions from WOWOW

Was the 3D missing shadows or was that just Lion King?

It is a shame that Disney DNR their animated stuff :(