dvdmike

borisanddoris said:

To each their own I suppose. Rises had great bass and dynamic range, both off the chart on a well tuned system. Bane's voice: you either love or hate it. I enjoy it. 

The Dark Knight had the best mix of them all. 

I am a fan of his voice, but the cheap seats at the IMAX previews complaining meant they upped him in the mix and lost everyone else's voices in the process.

I listed to that and Boure legacy back to back and Bourne just destroys it, if you have not listen to the 7.1 track on that with height, its so immersive it's crazy.

It is all personal taste but DKR was just random loudness, all fur coat, no knickers 

We should do a kickstarter or the like, get up a collection 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/35mm-Print-STAR-WARS-THE-PHANTOM-MENACE-LIAM-NEESON-/181122903796?pt=US_Film&hash=item2a2bc42ef4

I will just leave this here

That is like saying herpes is better than genital warts, I don't care for either.

It was loud without any control, they ramped up Bane for the cheap seats and killed everyone else's dialogue in the process.

There is little dynamic range and bog all soundstage panning, Prometheus came out in the same year and made the most 3D soundstage heard in years.

penguinofgreatness said:

The Nolan films do have their original mix on the Blurays. Even if the container format (DTS, Dolby) has changed, the mix will remain the same. Unless I'm mistaken, I believe they just ported over the theatrical mixes. They sound good.

Rises is 100% not the cinema mix, it is remixed and more than likely near field and the worst major budget audio mix in all its forms in 20 years imho

Jetrell Fo said:

Event Horizon and Waterworld have been found.

:)

:O I am down for both!

emanswfan said:

dvdmike said:

There was a shot floating round of a 35mm scan of episode 2 of portman, that would be perfect to match to and looks amazing 

Where could I find this?

Someone posted it over at AVS in this thread,

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1243512/star-wars-on-bd-confirmed-by-lucas-for-fall-2011-pre-release-discussion/2580

I have spent most of the night looking for it but cannot find it yet.

I will keep looking tho 

There was a shot floating round of a 35mm scan of episode 2 of portman, that would be perfect to match to and looks amazing 

I have the rough Terminator 3D digital domain FX stuff re-encoding if you still wanted to look at it for the disc

Doctor M said:

TheDigitalBits had an interesting article a little while back regarding color changes made for the 3D version of Top Gun which has a shift towards orange. ( http://www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/the-3rd-dimension/update-on-top-gun-3d )

The important bit is this:

Many colorists, especially when mastering for video have been trained to hate the color red because of the bleeding issues with NTSC televisions.  As such, they instinctively avoided it, which is one of the reasons why “the film has never looked this way before.”  The last master for Top Gun was run at least 7 years ago, and in that time we’ve jumped several generations of technology in terms of digital color timing tools.  In 1986, everything was chemical – you did the best you could to get the colors you wanted.  Today, you can turn everything any color of the rainbow you desire.

 

It makes me wonder how many of the changes we perceive is more because of our familiarity with old home video masters and not the theatrical colors.

For me that quote reads add what we could not do chemically on the day, they can alter now.

As in they could not shoot with a green tint but now they can put one in.

If Peter Jackson comes out and  says fotr was meant to be green but we goofed at the DI then would people accept the new version as definitive?

I love sdds 8 when it worked it was near unbeatable

I just think there is a lot of proof it is correct, and the fact that Doom and Crusade look the same is more than coincidence, also that Raiders now looks like the much later skull and the awful new Jurassic park add up to a change of mind on the look of the movie.

I do not believe I am right in the slightest, I said before that I feel the look is between the two, but I do prefer the look and the detail in the Wowow transfer.

Also yes, teal of course existed before 2003 but there is no way films like Aliens, Top Gun, or Blade Runner used the colour that is now on their BD releases on day one (or at very least the 70mm blow ups I saw of all  three)

I am also going to walk away from the topic as people are perceiving a militant tone in my text that is just not there in my head.

Jetrell Fo said:

dvdmike said:

captainsolo said:

I think The Matrix is in a similar situation with other Warner 90's titles such as the later Batman films. Dolby and DTS releases theatrically, Dolby on LD, and for the new DVD/BDs a new 5.1 mix made from master files but re-EQd and mixed for modern homes and soundbars. And put into Dolby TrueHD.

So in essence The Matrix hasn't been heard in DTS since 1999.

I thank those on the lookout for Goldeneye and TND.

I'd like to request the DTS for The World Is Not Enough (may have had a ES  presentation) and for Batman Forever.

 

There was no Batman Forever DTS mix, Just SDDS and Dolby

God I wish we could get SDDS 8 mixes 

Apparently only Batman & Robin got the DTS treatment.  Now, one could make their own DTS mix with the proper audio and software but it wouldn't be cinema DTS.

It had SDDS we need to find a way to rip that!

djchaseb said:

Too many red faces for my liking in the wowow.  

That can happen in the desert conditions, so I always looked at it as white people with 80's sun damage care regimes 

rockin said:

http://www.xylonhd.com/home/2012/9/16/raiders-of-the-lost-ark-comparison-pix.html

Anyone seen this?

Seems like a good comparison of all the different sources.

Xylon does good work, shame the trolls scared him off AVS.

This new 4k state of the art scan revels no more (in some cases less) detail than the old ones, either it was not done well or they are pulling our leg that it was new and not just reframed and recoloured.

Mavimao said:

Dvdmike: I apologize for using the word 'rant' and rest assured I wasn't criticizing you for your preference as to which version of Raiders you prefer. 

I should have worded myself better, but I was trying to explain that what is on the o-neg is not color corrected. A film will have its colors tweaked in post and those colors are represented on what is called an IP - which stands for intermediate print and is about a generation or two away from the o-neg. They make a negative from the IP and this is how release prints are made. 

Nowadays, bluray transfers are almost always going to the o-neg, but when they do this, they have to completely redo the timing on the film. Some posthouses might look at an IP or theatrical print to get an idea for how a film originally looked (like Harmy's despecialized), or then some might go completely crazy and try to make it look more modern. 

So I was criticizing the fact that you were comparing the timing of a film - in this case Raiders of the lost ark- to it's real life counterparts. Like the fact that you saw the real stained glass windows somewhere or that the nazi flags never had the same hue in real life as on the bluray. This is a flawed arguement because color timists - even in the days of antiquidated optical filters - have been tweaking the colors in order to compensate for subtle changes in lighting between shots or wishing to create a certain mood. 

I'm not here to argue that the bluray or any other transfer is more faithful to the original screening, because I honestly don't know. I just wanted to explain that you can't use a real life prop or location to determine the original colors of a film's theatrical release. 

No problem, I get what you are saying, but two mastering houses scanned the OCN and they came back with the same result independently, that cannot be just a coincidence  

Doctor M said:

TheDigitalBits had an interesting article a little while back regarding color changes made for the 3D version of Top Gun which has a shift towards orange. ( http://www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/the-3rd-dimension/update-on-top-gun-3d )

The important bit is this:

Many colorists, especially when mastering for video have been trained to hate the color red because of the bleeding issues with NTSC televisions.  As such, they instinctively avoided it, which is one of the reasons why “the film has never looked this way before.”  The last master for Top Gun was run at least 7 years ago, and in that time we’ve jumped several generations of technology in terms of digital color timing tools.  In 1986, everything was chemical – you did the best you could to get the colors you wanted.  Today, you can turn everything any color of the rainbow you desire.

 

It makes me wonder how many of the changes we perceive is more because of our familiarity with old home video masters and not the theatrical colors.

DI's for new films are great but they ruined the mastering of older movies

There is way too much scope to play and Top GUn looks horrible and almost video like in places.

I understand why they degrain and regrain 3d conversions, but why for the love of god can we not get the unmolested scan they started with??

drngr said:

Mike: interpolated?

I can grab the source for II and III but I is long gone it seems. They are 18Mbps MPEG-2 from 2006.

Canal + or wowow? yes please 

captainsolo said:

Superman is horridly obvious. A teal costume????? WTF??

 

At least with Blade Runner it was a creative decision by the whole restoration team and the director's personal choice. And the original versions were not altered. When watching the FC it isn't a big nagging issue. And the BDs should be redone because they are only BD25s with outdated codecs. The 35mm Final Cut was and is stunning and has none of the BD's issues. (I would know. I saw it eight times. In a week.)

This is true, the DNR was on the bluray only

Laser Pacific did the new master also! 

Actually there are conflicting reports, Spielberg said imax did it themselves and he did not supervise it but liked how it looked in imax format

This is the disc I have if that helps

http://www.demo-world.eu/demo-dvds/thx-demo-disc-2.php

You_Too said:

By the way, about the Jurassic Park 3D/2D re-release: Have it actually been released on blu-ray anywhere yet?

Because first I see these shots from the new trailer: http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/universal/jurassicpark3d/gallery/

They can be downloaded in full resolution and while there is DVNR to some degree, I think at the same time the detail looks great and the colors are amazing.

Then I look at these: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=14318
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=14319

Are they from the new blu-ray? (The ones on mouse-over) If so, something must be insanely wrong because while it's obviously from the same master as the trailer, there's more DVNR and also a strong green tint.

 I said on the last page my importers are shipping the new JP disc.

The DCP versions have the DNR and the new colour timing

Fascinating, I had no idea

Yes please, I have the thx II demo disc if that helps.

And that place has a thing that has a few trailers if you search thx

Yes, but star wars have the ib prints that scans can be based on or even taken from.

With Raiders two high end companies mess up the colours, until crystal Skull comes out and now it suddenly has the same colour pallet, and so does jurassic park?

So if Lowry and Laser Pacific both scan the negative and get the same colour temp, what was the new scan colour based on?