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PressFireToPlay said:

I want to enjoy it I really do and there are good moments but time hasn’t been kind. Plus with Vader murdering a load of Jedi kids…being a parent myself it kinda makes his redemption touch to acknowledge now. So don’t bother with the prequels if I can help it.

He’s a party to mass murder on a planetary scale in the OT, you can’t really get any lower then that.

SparkySywer said:

G&G-Fan said:

Remember when Yoda said “Wars not make one great” in Empire Strikes Back? He learned that from the Clone Wars.

It’s only through the teachings of Qui-Gon, who became his master after Revenge of the Sith and was basically the perfect Jedi, even if nobody could see it, was Yoda able to grow into the character he is in Empire Strikes Back.

I’d find this a lot more compelling if this was an actual plot thread in the prequels, instead of something people just inferred from a bunch of EU media.

When Yoda says this in Empire, it’s not hard to imagine he’s saying this from firsthand experience. But in the prequels, that’s really not what’s portrayed. Yoda has no character arc where he learns the horrors of war. If it’s true that he learned this through Qui-Gon, you gotta remember that this is entirely off-screen, after the credits roll in Episode 3.

It is a plot thread in the prequels. It is clear by the end of ROTS that the war was a mistake, given that Palpatine engineered the whole thing for his own ends, and it lead to the near extinction of the Jedi order. Yoda obviously recognizes this and learns from it as his open admission that he’s failed and his exiling himself to Dagobah bears out.

Tobar said:

Loving this thread. A couple years ago I was really into researching the various inspirations for Star Wars, sadly I’ve forgotten a lot of it. I did end up adding the Lensman series to my reading list but have yet to get around to it. Coincidentally, last night I think I might have stumbled something. I was browsing around Netflix when I came across High Noon and this image came up:

Lucas was definitely inspired by westerns. The Searchers, in particular, had a clear influence on both Star Wars and Attack of the Clones.

Stardust1138 said:

Revenge of the Sith is great. I love the film. It’s my second favourite of the Prequels and fourth overall in my rankings as of right now. I don’t get why some people call Anakin’s fall to the Dark Side rushed as we see it being built to in the previous two films. In The Phantom Menace we see Anakin’s fear and in Attack of the Clones we see his anger and in Revenge of the Sith we see his hate. As our wise green friend says: “Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

Agreed 100%. I think that all three prequels are really strong additions to the saga. I go back and forth between ROTS and TPM as my personal favorite. ROTS has the tragic angle and some of the best action in the PT but struggles at times to wrap everything up and set up the needed status quo for ANH. TPM is better plotted and has some really interesting world building. It also has the best lightsaber duel in the entire saga. The climax is admittedly overstuffed though and the first 20 minutes or so feel really rushed. I like AOTC but it looses some points because of the Sifo Dyas mystery angle, which was never really wrapped up until TCW, and some of the more over-the-top romantic dialogue.

Excellent analysis. The more I’ve watched the prequels the more I’ve noticed how much they add to the characters from the OT.

G&G-Fan said:

When he says “Failed I have” in Revenge of the Sith, he isn’t just talking about losing to Sidious in a duel, he’s talking about how he failed the galaxy because the Jedi Order lost its way.

Yoda’s leaving the battle with Sidious unfinished always bothered me but looking at it this way it starts to make more sense. Believing he’s already failed, he sees no reason to prolong the battle and risk the legacy of the Jedi dying with him.

RIP.

Children of the Jedi is a gem and you will not speak ill of it.

That’s what it was called! I read a whole bunch of EU books around the same time and they kinda blur together. I do remember liking parts of the Callista trilogy (I think Darksaber was my favorite) but the ghost thing was weird. I also wasn’t expecting semi-graphic bedroom scenes in a star wars book…

I’ve only had limited experience with the EU but I’d be surprised if there was anything worse then The Crystal Star. I can also vaguely recall a novel where Luke falls in love with a ghost or something.

I’m not sure if there will be any interest in this but here goes…

I’ve long been of fan of De Mille’s The King of Kings and feel that it is one of his best pictures and one of the best movies made about the life of Christ. With that said I also don’t really think there is a definitive cut of the film. The longer, roadshow version is superior in many ways but the general release saves the Technicolor for the end of the film, which makes the resurrection narrative stand out more. The Criterion DVD for the general release uses the 1931 score for the film’s re-release by Hugo Riesenfeld which I quite like while I find the synth score for the roadshow version rather distracting.

Here’s what I am proposing with this edit.

1. Replace the technicolor opening scene from the roadshow version with the b/w one from the wide release.

2. Re-score the roadshow version with the orchestral score by Hugo Reisenfeld (this may be tricky as the wide release is significantly shorter)

For my source I am planning on using the Criterion DVD as its the best release available to the best of my knowledge.

Could someone PM me with directions on where I can download/torrent this. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly is one of my all time favorites and I’d kill for a decent Home Video release.