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I’m extremely grateful for all the work Adywan and the team have put into this project. ESB Revisited has been in progress almost as long as my wife and I have been married. While Tanya is not a crazy SW fan, even she has appreciated ANH Revisited for its amazing technical achievements.

Now, this evening we will both be enjoying ESB Revisited for the first time. Thank you for all of the hard work through personal and technical challenges! It’s clearly been an act of love and will to get you through this. Also, thanks to Mrs. Adywan and mini-Adywans for their sacrifices in making this happen.

Now, to try and gauge the timing…

I’ve been lurking/hanging out here for a LONG time watching the progress Adywan and his team have made on this project. I’m very happy to see that the efforts are almost at their completion. Whatever day it gets released will be a day of joy for both myself and my family. Yes, even Tanya my wife who isn’t exactly a fanatic of star wars, knows about Ady’s ESB Revisited and has been looking forward to it.

In regard to the Revisited concept itself, the existing ANH Revisited, and the future plans for the Revisited saga, I can only offer my humble thanks to Adywan and his team, along with a deserved measure of shock and awe. The work, pain, and suffering will be long remembered by SW fans everywhere.

Welcome to the Internet Hot Rod, where everything you say can either be taken fully seriously or with not even a grain of salt depending on the mood of the reader! ;)

I thought Ady had plans to add Balckberry Jedi into the prequels...  Maybe I was wrong.  :P

TV's Frink said:

adywan said:

TV's Frink said:

After adywan is done with the prequels, can someone make me a ham sandwich?

 You want mayo on that?

 Of course.

Ham Sandwich: Revisited

 Frink, here ya go!

I have no idea what is really going on but, I am outraged and offended regarding whomever I should be outraged and offended about.  Whoever you are, you need to be ashamed of yourself.

Of course, the above statement is highly cynical and not to be taken seriously.

Please don't mind, it's not like this post is being made to artificially inflate my post count.

:D

I only jump in here from time to time but, here come my 2 cents.

While I too, long for the entire Revisited saga to be completed so I can burn it to Blu-Ray and place it in cases along-side the unopened copies of the prequel and original trilogy blu-rays which I will never watch, I also understand that something like this takes the time and talents of many people, most of all Ady himself.

The only thing I can conceive of that might possibly make things happen faster would be if the community paid out enough money for Ady to literally live off of, which I believe, according to fan-fiction law/etiquette is illegal.  I have every confidence that if the fan community could make a living for Adywan doing this, they would.

However, Adywan has a real life and a real job outside of all this.  He probably is working 80-100+ hour weeks between his regular job and the Revisited saga.  That doesn't even include the time and efforts of all of the other volunteers who have assisted him.

I also agree with the rest of the community that whenever Ady completes some project and visibly shows it to us, there are probably 3-5 "behind the scenes" things being done for the future.  Maybe he shows us that 1 scene with model work is completed but, guess what, he filmed other sequences for later.  Maybe he already has the layout in mind for the entire prequel trilogy and, chances are when he takes his "year off" he is so passionate about the project that we all know he won't be able to truly put it down.

So, in short, while I do understand where certain people are coming from with comments regarding the timing of releases, I feel that they are based on unrealistic expectations.  For crying out loud, if Lucasfilm couldn't, and didn't create the special editions and prequels as they should have been with a huge team of people and nearly infinite monetary resources in a multi-year period, what in the world makes anyone think that one director/producer and a team of volunteers could possibly get the job done in a similar time frame!?  Adywan and everyone involved in this project do incredible work, and I doubt many in the community would disagree if I ventured to say that their work is BETTER than Lucasfilm's in many ways.

I don't care if it takes 10, 15, or 25 years.  It is well-worth the wait.  If people are getting "bored" with the updates, then step away for a while and check back in 6 months, or in a year and see all the amazing stuff that happens.  Participating in the process and seeing it unfold is half the magic, at least, for me it is.

::END RANT::

::Back to my hidey hole:: 

::Slips back into carefully disguised hidden base of operations until something else inspires a return::

(After putting hand sanitizer on, burning the excess off taking some dead skin with it and then washing thoroughly with anti-bacterial soap)

The opinion of Adywan and yourself doesn't weigh even near as much as my own and that of GL combined, no offense. Let's agree to disagree and move on. I don't want to stink up this thread any further than it has been.

 GL's opinion is one thing, however, lumping yours in with his as if they weigh the same, not so much.  While you might AGREE with GL's opinion on the framing, which I can respect, that does not mean that your opinion has any greater value than anyone's here.

GL's opinion does carry weight, as it was his property to do with whatever he wanted.  You can agree with him, and that is fine.  But, in this thread which is about Ady's edit, at the end of the day, you can disagree and state your agreement with GL but, that doesn't make your opinion any more valid than anyone else's opinion, especially the person in charge of the edit.

An opinion is an opinion.  I felt that Ady gave enough backup to enforce why he decided to make his changes.  You can agree or disagree but, at the end of the day, the change to the edit is made and fits what Ady's vision for the project is.

What I don't think any of us can do is to pretend that our opinions carry the same weight as GL by a long shot, or more weight than Ady's when it comes to this particular edit.  The fact is that you cannot lump/combine the "force" of your opinion with GL's as GL has no control over this edit.

You are entitled to your opinion.  You disagree.  Fine.  That is a valid opinion but, no greater than anyone else on this thread.  Agree to disagree and move on, but don't make yourself out to have some level of authority that you do not have.  Who gets to judge the weight of opinions and also be objective about it in a discussion?  Not any one person in the discussion for sure as they are all biased to their own views.

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I think the real question here shouldn't be about framing, 4th wall, etc.  The real question should be, is anyone honestly going to enjoy the film any LESS because of the change?

Yes, we are all Star Wars techies/geeks, otherwise we wouldn't be here.  However, at the end of the day if changing from cropped frame to full frame is going to destroy your enjoyment of the film then don't watch the edit.

However, I strongly believe that for all of the technical discussions that have been had in this thread, at the end of the day when the edit is finally released, nobody is going to care about the arguments.  Instead, they will be watching one of the best interpretations/adaptations of ESB available and will be fully immersed in the experience.

Without the technical discussions, the edit would not be what it is.  That is absolutely and unequivocally true.  However, it is Ady's edit and I highly doubt that anyone who has been waiting for it is going to enjoy the film any less in full-frame vs. cropped.

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I am also of the opinion that seeing the full, non-cropped frame is better.  I just personally like seeing the full-frame footage because, that was the version that was originally printed, and I like seeing as much of the Falcon as possible.

In terms of lens distortion, 4th walls, and all that other stuff, I honestly wouldn't be paying enough attention to notice.  Granted I enjoy the changes Ady makes but, not just because they are all in your face and noticeable.  It is the subtle things that we are not always conscious of that really add to scenes.

I personally probably wouldn't have noticed this change unless it was pointed out but, I am glad Ady made it.  Being true to the original framing of the film means a lot to me, regardless of my reasons being good or bad for it.

Great work Ady!  I look forward to seeing the full film in the future.

**Pokes head out of hiding hole, sees that flood of notification emails was over a squabble between multiple forum members.**

Ady, just keep doing what you are doing.

To those with their own ideas for edits, they are appreciated and entertaining.  However, I doubt Ady can comment on or vet them all.  There are a multitude of people on these forums who DO have the time though, and if you are serious about your project, start a new thread.  You will find tons of encouragement and constructive criticism to be had there.

To those egging others on, yup, its fun and entertaining for a while but, gets old quick.

To TV's Frink:  Dude, you are only on 2.0!?  Man, you need to upgrade, your cynicism module isn't on par with the latest model.

**retreats back into hidey hole**

Personally, I say get rid of Hayden and leave the rest of the force ghost sequence as is.  I think it demonstrates the fact that Vader has had a change of heart and spirit in the destruction of the Emperor and that order has been restored to the force, joining the old allies Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Anakin.

Here is a free, open source non linear editor called Lightworks.  However, the workflow is much different than editors like Adobe Premiere or Final Cut.  It doesn't come with HD codec support in the free version.

Even if you want the HD codec the "pro" license of the software is only $60.

If you can understand and embrace the workflow logic which they use, which I believe is similar to Avid, then you should be in business.

It is a fully-developed platform which has been and is still used in the movie industry.

http://www.lwks.com

I haven't posted on here in a while so, this might be a bit lengthy.

1. The Battle of Hoth scenes look incredible.  While some of the elements have a slight hint of a CG look to them, they are nowhere nearly as bad as the ones in the Special Editions.  It always boggles my mind that ILM could make dinosaurs look amazing in the original Jurassic Park and then could do such shoddy work in the SE.

2. The largest reservation that I have about tackling 5 films at once is that we likely will not see anything for roughly 10-15 years.  Granted, it has been a long and worth-while wait for ESB:R, but, without a larger team and resources there would be HUGE wait to see the results.  That and this would force me to buy the Prequel Trilogy on Blu-Ray much earlier than I had anticipated.

3. I like the changes proposed for the PT.  Anakin and Vader appearing as separate characters is genius, if it can be pulled off correctly.  For all intents and purposes Anakin "dies" after the battle with Obi-Wan, both to the viewer and to Obi-Wan himself.

4. I disagree with Bingowings on the point about the droids.  The fact is, at the end of the 3rd Prequel before the ownership of the droids being handed over, it is asked that their memories be wiped, just to correct the fact that they seem to have no knowledge of Darth Vader, Anakin or anything else in the OT.

    The fact is, it would be much more logical to have the droids serve SOME purpose in the PT but, not enough to the point of being "significant".  This would account for R2's "wisdom" about some things, seeing as the memory wipe mentioned in the 3rd Prequel wouldn't have to happen.

5. Dang I wish I lived in the UK and could directly help with this!

hrgiger said:

I want to know who's arm is in that puppet!

Best idea ever.  Replace Yoda with a hand, painted green, "speaking" the lines and moving around like it can actually see/address a person...

HILARIOUS

Or my birthday, May 23rd, but, I'm not holding my breath.

They are saying a "summer" release which means anytime from May through August.  I think May is out of reach due to a hard drive crash on April 1st.  However, I would think June or July would not be out of the question.

At least, that is my understanding.  Am I right guys?

doubleofive said:

 

As funny as that would be, I don't think Vader needs to see vital signs to know when he's freaking people out, and what other use would that technology be on a Star Destroyer? I doubt the Empire is that concerned about overstressing their employees. ;-)

 

Yes but, maybe Vader would take some level of satisfaction in seeing the blip of the EKG level off; not to mention the satisfaction of seeing an additional visual of fear.

Although, I'm sure he can "sense" such things, being that fear is an emotion leading one to the dark side anyway.

As for the Empire itself, you are absolutely correct.  Their employees are just numbers to them.  Why do you think stormtrooper armor is designed to allow the wearer to be killed in a single shot?  You should hear about their "retirement" plan.  Let's just say that it would be better to work until one dies of natural causes...

The amount of small detail in there is incredible.  I never would have seen the 2nd unit shots if not for the screen grab comparisons.

I like the subtle display changes and the change in the Ion Cannon effects.  Brilliant!

While I know it won't be out in time for my birthday on May 23rd. I am really looking forward to this release!

Hence me stating that they may remain shrink-wrapped.  I may just wait for Ady to finish all of the revisits...  Won't buy the prequels until absolutely necessary, which won't be for several years probably...

I am pleased to announce that thanks to an early birthday gift, I now have possession of my own copy of the Original Trilogy on Blu-Ray.  I may or may not be removing the shrink-wrap because, I am almost scared to see how butchered the blu-ray editions are.

However, and more importantly, this means I will be able to download ESB: Revisited without any fear of "Imperial Entanglements".

Well, that is an important part of a fan edit...  Is it not?

Plus, some of us are too cheap or lazy to purchase a blu-ray burner.  I also have like 50 blank DVDs and would need to buy blank blu-ray discs, another added expense when I have a solution that will work for me as is.