clashradio

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I’m confused on which studio intro was in the theatrical release? My THX laserdisc has an animated “Hemdale Film Corporation” and jumps directly into the film. My '01 dvd and '06 BD have the MGM title followed by Orion, then starts the film.

Is it possible to make an original '71 edit using the letterbox laserdisc? Being how people who’ve seen the Grindhouse version say the only real differences are a few scenes near the middle have been switched around, and an extended scene with SEN and the boys (does this mean the '71 verson has the 30 extra seconds or the '78 edit)?

I know the color timing of the widescreen LD’s have been altered (both US and Japan) but Cedric T Sealion said the original P&S NTSC vhs has the correct timing. I’m wondering if the first Japan P&S laserdisc is the same as this vhs he’s talking about? (cat# 08JL-611620).

Ok so if I were to make a composite using the the Criterion LD for the mono track, would this LD also serve for a color reference to color-correct the BD? Would the 35th Anniversary BD be a good source to use?

Chewtobacca said:

Why are you using MPEG-2?

I still use MPEG-2, but want to try AVC. My NLE is Vega Pro 16. Have any ideas on what the best settings are for a two hour movie with PCM audio? Media is BD-25.

Williarob said:

TOOT is a plugin for AVISynth: https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=78338

Thanks I’ll have to check into that. I do use AVISynth for QTGMC, or IVTC depending on the source.

@ Williarob: Not sure what NLE you use but for Vegas Pro, the top video track is what will be the main image. I’m guessing you have to adjust the opacity of each track? or is there some type of averaging of the three files?

I have the Osprey 827e cap card which allows for simultaneously video and [digital] audio captures. Ya I only cap things that aren’t on dvd/BD like Star Wars, The Keep, THX-1138. Or like you I’ll cap for color reference and use the BD as my edit video source.

My next project will be cleaning up the Grindhouse BD of ESB (color correction, noise removal, stabilization). I’ll use the digital audio track from the 1987 Japanese Special Collection LD.

For the TOOT method, do you just overlay the video tracks and adjust the opacity? What is the advantage?

@ riftamos: it looks like your aspect ratio is too wide on these two screen caps.

@ willirob: what do you use for your comb filter? I’ve been using the EVAL adv 7842 board along with a HLD-X0. But have been reading about the Domesday Duplicator. Since it taps into the RF signal, it can make any low or average player give great results. I thought I had the best set-up by using the best player and best comb filter. I think it’s more geared toward PAL stuff at the moment.

I have to say reading this post has made me want to tackle this project too. My Grindhouse source is only 25gb so hats off to you for having access to the ProRes file! I have Vegas Pro 16 as my NLE. I’ve got most of the laserdiscs for reference, and I’ll probably use the 1987 Japan Special Collection for the digital audio track to sync. If I remember right the print(s) have some audio issues.

I also have neat Video for noise reduction. Man does that make a difference. Pro 16 has a stabilize feature, so the scenes on the ship deck can be easily fixed.

I think Williarob was able to explain it better than I could. It is best to capture at the original source of the media: 480i @ 29.97fps. I don’t think real-time capture software can IVTC as good as AVISynth in post.

For video-sourced material maybe capturing at 60fps is good, but if I had to guess I’d say for film-sourced material capturing at 480i 29.97 is best. The 24fps movie is slowed down to 23.97 during the telecine process. Thankfully there are programs out there that can detect 3:2 pull-down pattern and get rid of the extra fields.

If you’re going to upscale to 1080p, I’d use 23.97 as your frame rate, not 60p (59.94). You can use AVISynth to IVTC the 3:2 pulldown 29.97fps back to the original frame rate, or at least the original frame rate when telecined. The true original is 24fps.

Williarob said:

Also check out this thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-GOUT-in-HD-using-super-resolution-algorithm/id/17552

which contains some scripts (very slow ones!) that do a nice job with Video Enhancer’s AviSynth plugin. They also sell a stand alone app that works pretty well (and you get the plugin free when you buy it). http://www.infognition.com/videoenhancer/

Personally, I use Red Giant Shooter Suite’s “Instant 4K” for most of my upscaling in After Effects. It’s real easy - just resize he composition to the size you want, drop the effect on and boom. Instant 720p/1080p/UHD. Just remember to set the quality to “Best” before rendering. https://www.redgiant.com/products/instant-4k/

Awesome CatBus. And thank you Williarob. Both Infogniton and Red Giant sound totally awesome and what I’m looking for. I edit with Sony Vegas. Seems all the good third-party stuff is geared towards Adobe…

CatBus said:

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clashradio said:

JawsTDS said:

I did my scaling in VirtualDub paired with AviSynth, personally. But I’m sure there are other ways to do it.

I keep reading about Harmy’s version that used the 06 GOUT upscaled and was wondering what method? I’d like to upsale to the quality of Harmy and then re-sync the audio with one of my laserdiscs which has the 77 stereo track, then output to BD.

Silly question but why don’t you just use harmys? It should already be synced to whatever track you want to use. Hell it probably already has the track as an option.

Not only that, but Harmy’s versions are increasingly GOUT-free. ROTJ only has part of one scene from GOUT. If you want pure GOUT source, you probably want to look at Team Blu’s upscales – which you should be aware do not look as good as Harmy’s, given the source material.

Also, the 77 stereo Laserdisc track already on Harmy’s latest preservation is definitely better than what you’re trying to use. It’s from the only release of the 1977 stereo track in digital audio on Laserdisc (a Japanese pan & scan release, but the audio was great). It was then synced up to the GOUT and patched over wherever there were dropouts and warbles with the next-best analogue Laserdisc audio by some of our local audio luminaries with access to and experience with ridiculously expensive software. I don’t want to discourage the effort, if you’re just trying to learn how to do things and all, but it’s already been done, and really well.

Well the thing is; I know all this has been done before (X0 project, Harmy’s De-Specialized, Team Blu GOUT upscale). And I’m not trying to re-invent the wheel. I also don’t want you guys to think I’m being foolish but…My biggest hobby is video editing; can’t get enough of it. I have all of the best LD martial (even the Japan LD P&S w/77 stereo). I have a HLD-X0, CLD-99 & CLD-D703. Soon to have a Lumagen 2144. I’m still not sure what capture device to get yet (haven’t figured out if my Black Magic Intensity Shuttle usb 3.0 will do 1080p 23.976fps captures yet).

So two seperate yet related goals are to make a BD from a composite of the best LD’s (86 JSC/92 SWE/possibly 93/95 THX). And a BD upscale using the 2006 GOUT dvd synced to the P&S Japan LD.

Again I know it’s all been done and maybe I can’t match the quality. Editing and Star Wars…an hobbyist’s dream come true.

JawsTDS said:

I did my scaling in VirtualDub paired with AviSynth, personally. But I’m sure there are other ways to do it.

I keep reading about Harmy’s version that used the 06 GOUT upscaled and was wondering what method? I’d like to upsale to the quality of Harmy and then re-sync the audio with one of my laserdiscs which has the 77 stereo track, then output to BD.

Just wondering if upscaling is done by running the '06 dvd into some type of video processor like a Lumagen 2144? Or is done in a NLE?

You mean as a Third Party plug-in?

Ya, I'm sure Harmy's version would be better than what I could do...but I like editing...and a challenge. I'm learning how to edit with Vegas. I used Pinnacle for years.

Oh wow, ok thanks. So I will NOT use this as reference.

I’m attempting to de-specialize ANH using mainly the BD as the video source. I know color correcting has been addressed here, but I was wondering if it would be a good idea to use the new book called “Frames” as a reference guide? (scan the pictures and use a color matching plug-in). The stills are from the Special Editions of the Original 3, but they don’t seem to have the crushed Blacks etc. or maybe I’m just color blind?

Also, has anyone used Sony Vegas to CC? I was wondring if I could cheat and use your color settings?

Your ideas sound great. What video source do you plan on using? And I agree....ANH and ESB are all time classics....Jedi is almost as bad as Phantom Menance....

     I only ask about 48K because I made a new discovery. For years I've video recorded live bands with miniDV camcorders, and a separate soundboard audio source using a digital field recorder. I had the field recorder set to 16B 44K. I would then import the video to my computer via Firewire, and with it being digital video (or maybe all video being imported) Vegas sets the quantization & sample freq at 16B 48K. Once I started the editing of the multi-camera show, (all of the camera angles and the soundboard audio synced up), I noticed the board audio drifted a bit from the camera audio. Then I recorded a show at 16B 48K, and the board audio didn't drift at all from the video audio.

      I'm currently working on a Despecialized ANH, using the BD for the video and the '92 laserdisc for the audio. I imported the LD at 16B 48K, and so far it's synced up pretty good to the BD. I can't help but wonder if it would not have had I selected 44k? When I check the Properties in Vegas, it shows the 6.1 DTS audio from the BD is at 48K. And that's why I'm wondering if you're working with audio for video, if it needs to be sampled at 48K.

So are you saying if one were to make a Despecialized version, they could use the 1991 laserdisc as a reference guide since it has the extra five or so minutes that were originally cut out?

I am just curious as to why you used the LD for the mono source and not the dvd? Is it because the LD has PCM audio?