chyron8472

Jeebus said:

Then why can’t all the times Kylo isn’t being unquestionably evil just be thrown under “Ben Solo?” Why couldn’t someone say; “it wasn’t Kylo feeling the call of the light side, that was Ben Solo momentarily showing through. Kylo is 100% evil.”

There is no indication that the First Order (apart from Snoke) knows who Ren really is. And Kylo Ren only admits his call to the Light to the shadow of Vader and to his father; and his father calls him Ben, not Ren.

And besides that, we’ve had at least 4 unquestionably evil characters in the franchise, 2 in the OT alone; why would you want another?

Yes. That’s the way the Dark Side works.

You don’t think it’s been played out?

No. Star Wars is fantasy. It’s also a longstanding franchise with certain tropes it has created for itself to follow. To stray too far from them is to not understand what makes Star Wars what it is. This is why so many longstanding Star Trek fans hate Star Trek: Discovery.

Personally, I think if anything the “there is no good or evil; everyone is flawed” trope that has been popular lately (The Walking Dead, Battlestar Galactica, ST:Discovery, Game of Thrones) has been overused.

JEDIT: Oh, and Star Wars has had more than 4 evil dark side characters (eg. Asajj Ventress), if you include The Clone Wars or Rebels.

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

my understanding of the Dark Side is that to become a master of the dark side of the Force—not just able to use it, but to control it and to bend it to your own will—becoming unquestionably evil is pretty much a requirement.

Does Vader fall under that?

Are you seriously asking if Vader is unquestionably evil?

Vader wasn’t unquestionably evil. He was pretty evil, but “there was still good in him.”

Star Wars seems to divorce students of the Dark Side from their former selves, from the perspectives of both Ben Kenobi and Vader himself (and Luke, now that I remember “It’s the name of your true self, you’ve only forgotten.”) That is, Vader was unquestionably evil—evil enough to hold Captain Raymus Antilles in the air by his head until his neck snapped under his own body weight, among other things—but the good that is Anakin is still buried in there somewhere. Once Anakin was redeemed, Vader was defeated.

If what you were asking was if Vader is able to control the Force itself and to manipulate it to his own designs, such a topic moves out of the films and into books. I haven’t read Vader-centric books like Lords of the Sith, for example, but Sith-centric books I have read (like the Darth Bane trilogy and Darth Plagueis) seem to suggest that to be lukewarm with the Dark Side is to be limited in one’s force abilities or their effectiveness. This is in part why Kylo Ren was only mediocre in his saber battle against Finn and Rey, for example. According to Darth Bane’s take on the Dark Side, Kylo Ren should have fueled his use of the Dark Side by focusing on the pain in his side from the blaster wound. The physical pain should have aided him, not hindered him, were he proficient enough with the dark side of the Force.

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

my understanding of the Dark Side is that to become a master of the dark side of the Force—not just able to use it, but to control it and to bend it to your own will—becoming unquestionably evil is pretty much a requirement.

Does Vader fall under that?

Are you seriously asking if Vader is unquestionably evil?

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

I love how, concurrently, TFA was too much like Star Wars and Kylo was not enough like Vader.

TFA’s plot was very much like Star Wars. Kylo Ren’s character was very much not like Vader.

The two aren’t mutually exclusive concepts.

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

My problem with Ren really is that he isn’t menacing. He’s dangerous, yes, but he lacks the underlying menace that is embodied in most of the other films’ villains up to this point. He’s not just a hothead; he’s… he’s a kid with unimaginable powers and a massive chip on his shoulder, rather than being a dark and unquestionably evil soul.

Being dark and unquestionably evil is boring at this point.

In your opinion. Besides, my understanding of the Dark Side is that to become a master of the dark side of the Force—not just able to use it, but to control it and to bend it to your own will—becoming unquestionably evil is pretty much a requirement.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Ugh.

How to Train Your Dragon 2

THIS is a movie. Fantastic. I love it.
Speaking of music, I love this song and how you can feel Stoick and Valka’s love for each other:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tEYV6QBw0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDJNv_T6u4U

TV’s Frink said:

Q: Why would a dad take his daughter to the My Little Pony movie?
A: 'Cause he’s a good dad.

Q: Why would a dad post a My Little Pony gif?
A: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Frozen.

It’s not my favorite Disney film. At all. It has its moments, but the plot begs for more backstory and explanation of early story contrivances regarding the Elsa character; the movie’s message of female empowerment does not speak to me personally; and the true villain of the story turns out to be rather ineffectual, and not in an amusing or comical way. The film is not actually about the villain at all, who is really more of a side character to the plot.

“Ani?! My goodness, you’ve grown.”

“I’ve accepted the truth that you were once Anakin Skywalker—my father.”

“That name no longer has any meaning for me.”

DuracellEnergizer said:

Wrong thread, but I approve anyway.

“I’ve accepted the truth that you were once Anakin Skywalker—my father.”

“That name no longer has any meaning for me.”

Well, given the correlations the movie directly makes with Star Wars, I suppose the comparison of antagonists one most heavily draws from is with Vader. And while Vader was much more of an enigma in Star Wars, he was also much more threatening. Such a comparison, I think, cheapens Kylo Ren as a character. It makes me wonder how his character would come across for someone who hadn’t watched the OT before.

My problem with Ren really is that he isn’t menacing. He’s dangerous, yes, but he lacks the underlying menace that is embodied in most of the other films’ villains up to this point. He’s not just a hothead; he’s… he’s a kid with unimaginable powers and a massive chip on his shoulder, rather than being a dark and unquestionably evil soul.

Having said that, I guess that’s part of his character? In the movie, he openly acknowledges that the Light Side is calling to him, as opposed to Vader who said things like “That name no longer has any meaning for me.” When Kylo Ren says that he killed Ben Solo, you can hear some of the uncertainty in his voice.

I don’t know, I guess his lack of menace was intentional for the character, but it makes him feel like less credible as an antagonist compared to Vader, Dooku, Grievous, or even Maul. He feels more like Snoke’s pawn than the others do of Palpatine.

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yhwx said:

Sheesh.

Indeed. He needs to pull the stick out.

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

I was making fun of who(m?)ever it was that couldn’t understand why my little girls would want to see the My Little Pony movie. Handman, maybe.

Handman was the one that asked why your daughters wanted to see it. I was the one that you made fun of for saying I’d only expose my kids to entertainment that I liked.

I like My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. I like it enough to have taken my 2yo to see the recent movie in the theatre on opening day.

Nice to know you put ketchup on your hot dogs.

It isn’t just Audacity. And apparently the other channels aren’t technically completely blank. But there is a problem. I installed WavePad and this is what it shows:

ToscheStation said:

dahmage said:

But, they DID go beyond just one film, we all have seen it.

Yes, and they were only able to do so (successfully, I might add) because Lucas and co. introduced - or rather, re-introduced - connections (yes, familial) between the characters that made it more…breathable…instead of the somewhat ‘claustrophobic’ feel of the original film within the stand-alone movie paradigm.

I’m sorry, what? What exactly is “claustrophobic” about the plot and characters of Star Wars?

And besides that, from where in the Original Trilogy do we learn anything about Han Solo’s backstory? Prior to and during Star Wars, he was a selfish, scoundrelly smuggler; he had unpaid debts to crime lords; and he won the ship he now owns from his old friend, Lando. That’s it. That’s all we ever learn about his pre-OT past from the OT itself. Does that make him any less of a compelling character, especially in the original Star Wars film?

I just mounted my ROTR BD image and opened it in Media Player Classic.

6 channels, it says.

JEDIT:

Okay, I don’t know if this is Audacity’s fault but I got the same result.
I ran the M2TS from my BD image through tsMuxer and demuxed the AC3, then loaded it in Audacity.

It makes me want to check other software to make sure it isn’t Audacity goofing up.

Sideways sighscraper.

liamnotneeson said:

all of the protagonists are new, unrelated to the plot before and after the movie, and die at the end

Dude, spoilers.

lol jk

TV’s Frink said:

LordZerome1080 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Sorry to hear that, but why on earth would she want to watch My Little Pony? :p

I’m with TV’s Frink on this. Show her Beauty And The Beast instead.

You missed the joke.

Explain the joke to me, please.