chyron8472

Possessed said:

You had to be reminded to drink? I’d forget my name before I forgot that.

Who are you again?

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

yotsuya said:

DominicCobb said:

yotsuya said:

I have just been revisiting the PT because I decided return to tackling them before trying TESB, ROTJ, or TFA. After watching them again I have to agree that ROTS is the most dramatic and is a great fast paced action film and tragedy. But I still feel that TPM got the universe right. Yes, we see the galaxy looking pretty good, but like fruit that is about to spoil, it looks good on the outside while hiding the rot on the inside. And the story goes where the characters are. The focus in the fall of the Republic so spending so much time on Coruscant makes sense.

I think one would argue though that the focus should not have been on the fall of the Republic, that should have merely been the backdrop to Anakin’s story. It isn’t quite in keeping with the other SW films to have galactic politics so far at the forefront of the story.

I disagree since the OT focused on the the rebellion against the Empire - something that is very much galactic politics.

Nope, that was merely the backdrop to the characters’ stories. We see more rebellion politics in Rogue One than we do in the entire OT put together (which isn’t saying much at all).

I disagree with respect to the PT, since the PT to a large degree was also Palpatine’s story, and so the galactic politics are the characters’ story. The Jedi order in the PT is also shown to be highly political, as such the politics are simply an integral part of the story told in the PT, in addition to being an integral part of Anakin’s personal history through his relationship with Palpatine.

But that’s the problem. The PT is Palpatine’s story when it should be Anakin’s. And the story should be about Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padme’s adventures amid the corrupt and crumbling Republic as it becomes (or moves to become) the Empire.

The OT isn’t about the Rebellion. It’s about the adventures of Luke, Leia, Han, etc. The politics play a part in the characters’ stories, even an integral part, but the story itself is not about the politics. It about good versus evil.

The PT is not about good versus evil. It’s not even about the lure of power, the dangers of fear, or the insidiousness of evil. It’s about how Palpatine manipulates the galaxy, from both sides of the conflict simultaneously, into making him Emperor. Anakin plays a role in Palpatine’s story in the PT when it should be the other way around.

dahmage said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

The circle is now complete.

It’s been complete since Day 1.

Not sure if you missed the joke or I missed a joke.

I miss Frink too.

DuracellEnergizer said:

I believe Handman once

DuracellEnergizer said:

snooker said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Question answered.

http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/

Anchorhead said:

luckydube56 said:

So…no acting like an asshole permitted in this thread. No d!cks either. Only pu$$ies?

Sorry. It was too easy and had to be done.

Reel it in.

We can discuss the state of toxic fandom without actually demonstrating it.

Indeed.

dahmage said:

I get crank when I haven’t eaten.

Don’t do school. Eat your drugs. Stay in vegetables.

DuracellEnergizer said:

chyron8472 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

And that’s my Star Trek.

Why does it have to be Star Trek? It could be some other series/franchise entirely, and let Star Trek be what it is.

Who said it has to be? I certainly didn’t. It’s a hypothetical “what if?” scenario.

It didn’t sound merely hypothetical. It sounded like you want Star Trek to be something it is not and doesn’t need to be, to the point that there’s no need to even call it Star Trek. I was saying if you wanted that, there’s nothing stopping it being its own entity rather than replace Trek—especially if the reasoning for replacing Trek is both due to real-world budgetary constraints, and that you don’t accept in-universe explanations of those constraints.

When you say “And that’s my Star Trek”, you suggest that what you propose is a superior concept to replace the current implementation rather than an entirely alternate concept that should stand on its own.

Warbler said:

I believe they are talking about merging the two timelines or creating yet another timeline. The whole thing is a mess. I believe Trek should be put out of its misery and then left to rest in peace.

I don’t see what that has to do with Kelvin, nor do I understand why Kelvin is supposed to be awful. It’s different, but it still feels like Star Trek. Discovery doesn’t feel like Star Trek.

I’m reserving judgment about Picard until there actually is something new regarding Picard to actually watch. Until then I’m pretty much ignoring any and all news about it because I’m neither enthused about nor interested in it.

Also, Warb, I think you put too much stock in what this or that supposed authority says is canon. In my view, they can say Discovery is in the Prime Universe all they want, but if it doesn’t make sense for it to be, I’m not required to consider it to be. Nevermind Picard, because there’s still nothing but talk at this point.

pleasehello said:

chyron8472 said:

luckydube56 said:

So wait…I was right the first time? This is a safe space thread?

No. Hush.

This is a thread where we discuss toxicity in the Star Wars fanbase, fanbases in general, and by extension society in general. What is wrong with that?

“Safe space” indeed. -.-

I would classify this as a safe-space thread that doesn’t really encourage discussion. We’re really only allowed to discuss “toxicity” as narrowly defined by the original poster, which is fine if that’s what he wants, but makes the thread pretty limited in scope.

OP: “if you are of a mind to take a stand and stick up for the aforementioned people making the movies and the people that like them that ARE being harrassed, then this is the place for it.”

I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with “safe spaces”, but let’s call a spade a spade, shall we?

I think the term “safe space” in this sense is rather derogatory.

Suffice it to say, complaining about this thread being a “safe space” feels to me like a complaint about not being given license to be an asshat.

Warbler said:

Discovery…Kelvin…the return of Picard…these current status of Star Trek! The current producers objectives: to completely f up Star Trek, to completely ruin it, to boldyly drive away the fans that no version of Trek could drive away before!

What?! Come on.

They rebooted Star Trek with the Kelvin Universe to attract a more mainstream audience. Discovery is a dumpster fire, yes, but not deliberately. And we really have no idea what they’ll do with Picard or if it will even actually lead to anything substantive.

DuracellEnergizer said:

And that’s my Star Trek.

Why does it have to be Star Trek? It could be some other series/franchise entirely, and let Star Trek be what it is.

Mrebo said:

Hope suspension of disbelief isn’t dead.

Basically this. The science of the franchise doesn’t have to make sense to our universe; it just has to make sense and be believable in and of its own universe.

luckydube56 said:

So wait…I was right the first time? This is a safe space thread?

No. Hush.

This is a thread where we discuss toxicity in the Star Wars fanbase, fanbases in general, and by extension society in general. What is wrong with that?

“Safe space” indeed. -.-

DuracellEnergizer said:

Possessed said:

Well they originated during TOS, and having them be Humanoid was the only way to make them convincing.

My philosophy is if you can’t make truly alien aliens, don’t include aliens in your story. The Trek universe is a largely anthropocentric universe anyway, so it would’ve been a better course of action to have made the Vulcans/Klingons/etc. derivations of humanity and left non-human entities out of the picture entirely.

or you could just decide to enjoy the show and not nitpick at how you wish in-universe explanations were this and not that.

Everyone in the galaxy speaking English doesn’t stop me from enjoying SG-1.

I mean, if you’re going to dismiss a common-ancestry explanation as junk science, I don’t see how saying that common ancestor came from Earth would make it any better.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Dek Rollins said:

I don’t see why Vulcans need to change any more than the rest of them do.

I’m not a fan of “human” aliens to begin with. Why make them aliens if they’re nearly identical to humans? May as well make them human offshoots.

Humanoid.*

The reason why the different races are humanoid is because they are all offshoots from the same parent species, but not from humans. Humans are also offshoots.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Chase_(episode)
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_humanoid

Handman said:

Possessed said:

No it isn’t. I mean I’ve never played it but playing a fantasy video game as a hobby isn’t pathetic.

No N0valyfe?

So, there are people here who say TPM is the best PT film?
…but its plot is completely pointless, as the only relevant bits are summed up by character dialogue in AOTC. The very fact that you can watch Star Wars in machete order (4-5-2-3-6) and cut out TPM altogether without missing anything says something.

Possessed said:

I look like a dam

DuracellEnergizer said:

newt

tauntaun

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Salamander

Racoon

DuracellEnergizer said:

Edmontosaurus

Shelob

dahmage said:

Yellow-bellied sapsucker

Rodent-of-unusual-size

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Unless Q drops in and gives Kirk a chance to save his father, oh wait, they’ve done that before. 😉

When did that happen? I don’t ever remember any story that had both Kirk and Q in it, in either timeline.

Not Kirk. There’s an “interactive movie” video game called Star Trek: Borg, where a Starfleet cadet is taken back in time 10 years to just before the events of Wolf 359 by Q, and given the opportunity to save his father and the USS Righteous from being vaporized by the Borg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Borg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GvEDBHAld8

It basically plays out like a TNG episode. If you like interactive movie games and are a fan of Trek, it’s amazing. I really enjoyed playing it when I was younger.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

nonpareils

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