chyron8472

TV’s Frink said:

Calm down. Seriously.

Ok you never said you were afraid of gay people. Obvious hyperbole. But yes I’m judging you for being uncomfortable around “overly-effeminate” men. It’s a complete overreaction to something that doesn’t affect you at all.

I have emotions and they are mine. I am allowed to have them. Whether it’s an overreaction is none of your concern. I am who I am. I do not fear gay men. I do not hate them. I do not mock them. I do not belittle them. I am merely uncomfortable with certain behaviors certain people display.

Damn it. I’m allowed to have feelings and I don’t need to justify myself to you. Stop flamebaiting me.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Calm down. Seriously.

Um…sure.

You could also get over being afraid of gay people. Seriously.

I’m not afraid of gay people. I never said I was. I said overly-effeminate men make me uncomfortable. I never said I fear them.

Get over yourself. And I would appreciate it if you would stop judging me and throwing that in my face.

Hypocrite.

Calm down. Seriously.

TV’s Frink said:

All I can assume at this point was that chyron managed to meet a guy once who purposely dressed as an attractive girl for the sole reason of humiliating him.

No. I browse websites on the internet (like Imgur) where I have been informed that the word exists and what it means. Simple as that.

Stop being so aggressive.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

Frink, if men who are hetero feel fooled or “trapped” by being attracted to biological men who dress like women, then that’s their prerogative. You can’t tell them to not feel that way or not be appalled when they encounter it.

They ought not to be mean, certainly, but they shouldn’t be chastised for feeling disgusted in such an obviously socking circumstance.

Uhhhhhhh… wow

What?? We’re human. If people feel uncomfortable about whatever it is, they should be allowed to be uncomfortable. If you’re going to be inclusive, you shouldn’t get to cherry-pick who you include or tell people they can’t have feelings that they do.

Hey we all know gay people make you feel uncomfortable when they “act gay” as you’ve said before.

So no. People aren’t allowed to have feelings then.

do you call them a derogatory slang term because they dare to make you feel uncomfortable?

No. I do use whatever language is relevant, and I try to be mature about it. I’ve never used the word “trap” to describe someone, nor am I likely to, but I do know what the word means. I have no power over whether people use it.

I didn’t know discussing the definition of a word was offensive.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

If you want people to be inclusive, then you should allow for legitimate questions. We didn’t invent the word. It’s just a word. We made no judgment about it. It’s just a thing that exists.

No judgment?

chyron8472 said:

Frink, if men who are hetero feel fooled or “trapped” by being attracted to biological men who dress like women, then that’s their prerogative. You can’t tell them to not feel that way or not be appalled when they encounter it.

They ought not to be mean, certainly, but they shouldn’t be chastised for feeling disgusted in such an obviously socking circumstance.

So you’re telling me that people aren’t allowed to have feelings if they don’t align with yours?

I’m saying people should be allowed, but that doesn’t give them license to be jerks. So no. No judgment.

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

Frink, if men who are hetero feel fooled or “trapped” by being attracted to biological men who dress like women, then that’s their prerogative. You can’t tell them to not feel that way or not be appalled when they encounter it.

They ought not to be mean, certainly, but they shouldn’t be chastised for feeling disgusted in such an obviously socking circumstance.

Uhhhhhhh… wow

What?? We’re human. If people feel uncomfortable about whatever it is, they should be allowed to be uncomfortable. If you’re going to be inclusive, you shouldn’t get to cherry-pick who you include or tell people they can’t have feelings that they do.

Such people shouldn’t use said feelings as motivation to mock or humiliate others, but they still should be allowed to feel uncomfortable if they so choose.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Frink, if men who are hetero feel fooled or “trapped” by being attracted to biological men who dress like women, then that’s their prerogative. You can’t tell them to not feel that way or not be appalled when they encounter it.

Oh ok, I guess I’ll listen to you rather than GLAAD.

Your post is ridiculous.

It is not. You’re being a child. Someone asked a legitimate question and we are discussing it. You are the one being immature here.

If you want people to be inclusive, then you should allow for legitimate questions. We didn’t invent the word. It’s just a word. We made no judgment about it. It’s just a thing that exists.

Frink, if men who are hetero feel fooled or “trapped” by being attracted to biological men who dress like women, then that’s their prerogative. You can’t tell them to not feel that way or not be appalled when they encounter it.

They ought not to be mean, certainly, but they shouldn’t be chastised for feeling disgusted in such an obviously socking circumstance.

Handman said:

So traps are guys who dress like girls, but it’s crazy to think that makes them a transvestite? I never heard the “trap” term until four or five years ago.

Do you even know the difference?

Traps are guys who dress convincingly like attractive girls. That is, it’s a trap because a hetero male likely finds them attractive up until realizing they have male sexual organs.

I suppose you could call it a subset of the broader term transvestite, since transvestite gives no consideration to attractiveness.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

It’s wonderful we’re having this discussion in 2018.

Sorry.

Why? You don’t need to be sorry about that.

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

All Republicans are Trump supporters whether they admit it or not. It’s his party now.

You’d cry too if it happened to you.

Yes I would.

With that said, the right has been building towards this moment for a long time now. Trump is just the logical (absurd, yet logical) conclusion. I don’t think I have to worry about it happening to me because we aren’t the party of Fox News and Breitbart, and everything that comes with it.

It is the next logical step, although I don’t think it’s a conclusion by any means.

It’s what the right (or America in general, I suppose) gets for allowing the ball to roll down the hill starting from Lee Atwater, through to Rush, and Hannity, and Fox News. I talked to my family recently and lamented how disappointing it is that so many Republicans demonize opposition and glorify themselves so as to maintain lockstep with whatever nonsense Republican leadership is up to. My Dad then mentioned that they’ve been doing that since Lee Atwater was a political consultant for Ronald Reagan; and that Atwater, in fact, apologized on his deathbed for causing this.

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

Not really. Didn’t vote for him but have been pleasantly surprised by many policy decisions/nominations. The tariff and immigration policies are not to my liking. Then there are the personal issues and inability to be focused and coherent. On the other side are people in hysterics. Neither side makes it easy for people who care about the policy issues.

The Presidency is not just solely about policy issues. It is a leadership position. He is the commander and chief of the military.

Commander-in-chief.

…just saying.

I finished Ahsoka. It’s a good story. Interestingly, I found that one need never have watched the Prequel films in order to understand what is going on, but it is extremely important to have watched The Clone Wars TV series (at least the last couple seasons) because the story refers to several key events that happened. The story also does not introduce characters that appeared in the show as though to an audience who hadn’t watched it (or had only watched the Prequels). It does give context and backstory, but only to preface Ahsoka’s feelings or actions at the time in the story.

I enjoyed it, and I’m glad I did because I was more than a bit disappointed by a few Star Wars stories I’d listened to recently. So I’m glad such disappointment isn’t a continuing trend.

pittrek said:

I feel ashamed I love it more than the Discovery trailer.

Why should you be ashamed? The Orville is a better show.

Nice to see you’re okay.

Also, you smell. Take a shower. 😉

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

This thread is gold, Jerry.

Jerry?

Jerry Seinfeld.

Tobar said:

Frankly, these days you’re legitimately better off buying a pre-made system. Individual parts costs are through the roof and so it’s actually cheaper to buy pre-made now.

Well, I took Tobar’s advice and bought a prebuilt PC. I bought it on Amazon Prime Day this week when it was on sale for $650 (instead of it’s current $750 price).

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B6H4GNY

CYBERPOWERPC Gamer Xtreme GXIVR8020A5
Mobo: MSI B360M Bazooka
CPU: Intel Core i5-8400 (2.8GHz 6 Core)
RAM: 8 GB DDR4 (1 x 8GB)
Video: AMD Radeon RX 580 4GB

It comes with a 1TB 7200RPM HDD, but I think I’m going to migrate my drives from my old PC into my new on instead. The one major niggle I have is that the case isn’t designed to have an optical drive (ie. Bluray burner), but I suppose I can get an external enclosure for my burner and plug it in through USB. After all, the only thing I use my Bluray burner for is ripping my physical movies and shows and burning fanedits.

Dek Rollins said:

That’s the biggest problem here. I’m annoyed that implications are ignored, but I’m more annoyed by “hey, why don’t we just redo a bunch of stuff the old show did?”

I feel like they’re damned if they do and they’re damned if they don’t. If they do something similar, they get crap because it’s similar. If they do something different, they get crap because it’s different. Or it’s different in the wrong way, or it’s… whatever it is that people don’t know they want but know they don’t want that.

Voyager and Enterprise are too much like TNG. DS9 is too much like Babylon 5. The Kelvin Universe is too much like Star Wars but with an Apple-style aesthetic on the bridge. For that matter, Star Wars is now too much like Marvel or too much like A New Hope or Old Luke is not enough like Young Luke.

I feel like people too often enjoy not liking things. Whereas I’m saying people don’t have to like it but they don’t have to make the time to bitch about it either.

Dek Rollins said:

chyron8472 said:

Mrebo said:

chyron8472 said:

Dek Rollins said:

Man the thing I love about Enterprise is that everything Kirk supposedly did first was actually done first by this Archer guy. That’s the best and most original writing to come out of Star Trek in years.

What did Kirk supposedly do first that no one else in the whole of Starfleet couldn’t have similarly done previously? By the time Kirk became a captain, Starfleet had been around for hundreds of years.

Enterprise doesn’t retcon Kirk doing anything first. And just because Kirk is routinely going where no man has gone before doesn’t mean no man has ever been anywhere Kirk ever goes.

Kirk apologist!

Well, seriously. It’s not like no one is going to go anywhere until Kirk gets around to doing it. TOS never says 1701 was the first ship to ever time travel; encounter the Romulans; or get the Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites in the same room at the same time. I’m not sure what thunder Archer is supposed to have stolen from Kirk.

Did someone mention Romulans?

No one from Starfleet ever did see them in Enterprise. Heard their voice on audio-only comms, or saw their ships, yes. Saw the actual face of a Romulan? No. Administrator V’Las of the Vulcan High Command did see (one of) them, but no one else did and he was kicked out of the High Command not long before that organization was dissolved entirely.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Kir'Shara_(episode)

The Earth-Romulan War (which takes place one year after Enterprise ended) happened before Kirk took command, and Kirk in TOS mentions no one had seen what they look like yet. But they are cousin-species to Vulcans, so it would make sense for a Vulcan not in Starfleet to once have seen them, especially if the Romulans are deviously trying to throw the Alpha Quadrant species into chaos from behind the scenes.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Earth-Romulan_War

And how about Spock being the first Vulcan to join Starfleet?

The USS Intrepid in TOS is entirely manned by Vulcans, so no. That’s not a thing.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Immunity_Syndrome_(episode)

Also, T’Pol transferred her commission from the Vulcan fleet; she never enrolled at Starfleet Academy.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t want “therapy”. I think the concept is shit.

in other words, you refuse to get help. So don’t say “I don’t refuse to do anything”.

No, I said I don’t want therapy. I think my second statement makes clear that I don’t see it as “help”.

To be fair, it’s expensive; they only know about you what you want them to know; you only get an hour at a time to talk;
and they only (pretend to) care about you so long as you pay them.

I would say a better solution is to have a friend to talk to about stuff like that, but I’m one to talk because I don’t have one of those either.

Mrebo said:

chyron8472 said:

Dek Rollins said:

Man the thing I love about Enterprise is that everything Kirk supposedly did first was actually done first by this Archer guy. That’s the best and most original writing to come out of Star Trek in years.

What did Kirk supposedly do first that no one else in the whole of Starfleet couldn’t have similarly done previously? By the time Kirk became a captain, Starfleet had been around for hundreds of years.

Enterprise doesn’t retcon Kirk doing anything first. And just because Kirk is routinely going where no man has gone before doesn’t mean no man has ever been anywhere Kirk ever goes.

Kirk apologist!

Well, seriously. It’s not like no one is going to go anywhere until Kirk gets around to doing it. TOS never says 1701 was the first ship to ever time travel; encounter the Romulans; or get the Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites in the same room at the same time. I’m not sure what thunder Archer is supposed to have stolen from Kirk.

Dek Rollins said:

Man the thing I love about Enterprise is that everything Kirk supposedly did first was actually done first by this Archer guy. That’s the best and most original writing to come out of Star Trek in years.

What did Kirk supposedly do first that no one else in the whole of Starfleet couldn’t have similarly done previously? By the time Kirk became a captain, Starfleet had been around for over a hundred years.

Enterprise doesn’t retcon Kirk doing anything first. And just because Kirk is routinely going where no man has gone before doesn’t mean no man has ever been anywhere Kirk ever goes.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Dek Rollins said:

Man the thing I love about Enterprise is that everything Kirk supposedly did first was actually done first by this Archer guy. That’s the best and most original writing to come out of Star Trek in years.

Dammit. If I had known that from the start, I would’ve watched this years ago and made it my #1 priority to rewatch it every year.

Except that his saying that would fall flat on its face had he actually watched the show.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Not sorry.

If it weren’t for the rules in place here, I would give this the response it deserves.

moviefreakedmind said:

But that is what we are discussing! Discrimination is not always illegal. The basic concept is generally true, but not always. The real target, ultimately, is the intolerance itself, which can manifest in all manner of ways that would be difficult to end without destroying freedom.

Discrimination based on immutable characteristics is illegal.

I’m assuming many people believe said characteristic is not necessarily immutable.