captainsolo

I don't think we could mark something like the Blus in store, but it would help to get the word out somehow. saveSW.com could be the go-to we point at for people who have no idea about all of the revisions.

Save a Prayer-Duran Duran

The Chauffeur

One of the great albums. Freaking perfect. (UK original that is. I hate the US dance remixes!)

TV version was shown up until a couple years ago. IIRC it is indeed the 82 US theatrical version with content edits for basic TV.

I need to re-watch the DVD workprint.

That will be fun. I'll go to most anything Rid does. Even enjoyed Robin Hood.

Ziggy Stardust said:

captainsolo said:

Tintin is going to be my final end-all litmus test for Spielberg. If it works, then he will have proven his mettle. But likely I will be just as disappointed as usual. And then I will completely give up on his output. (I haven't liked anything post 87 anyway, save for Crusade.)

What about Jurassic Park, Schindler's List, Minority Report, and Munich?

JP: No.  SL: I could never pin down my dislike of this one. Finally found somewhere online where Kubrick essentially described List as a movie about "winning" the Holocaust. Spot on. MR: bland. Not deep enough and not enough of an action serial. It doesn't know what it wants to be. Munich: trying way too hard for very little results. In my book Spielberg ends with Empire of the Sun and LC.

Deleted scene?

skyjedi2005 said:

Now where is Lawrence of Arabia, They did Bridge over the river kwai on blu ray right?

Sony has been working on it for years. 8K scan and all. Robert Harris has said it's been in the pipeline for some time and that he was consulted and involved in the process. Could finally be a home version somewhat worthy!

Ziggy Stardust said:

I own Bridge on blu-ray. Probably one of the few Alec Guinness movies I've seen.

How......................................................................dare you? ;) I haven't seen the Blu yet, but I know it will look weirder after seeing it for all the years in the improper 2.35 DVD/VHS. They should have included mono though.

Saw AOTC several times theatrically and remembered I saw it in IMAX.  Didn't notice the cuts honestly. The full-frame thing makes sense because it did look off. But not as off as the Omnimax version!

Probably an HD 04 ESB. Or maybe the new Blu version.

from SHTV forums:

Very few will admit a problem. It will only be after both industry and mass amounts of the public complain, people stop buying the disc, and the problem is inexpensive to fix.

DVD-BOY said:

none said:

Let's say they did take their time with this release, what would have been an approximate date for last change?  Do they need a month for reproduction of 100k copies of a 9 disc set?  How many did the 2004 set sell?

Disc replication could be relatively quick - perhaps just a couple of weeks to produce the numbers required:

http://www.singulus.de/de/optical-disc/replikationslinien/bluline-ii-features.html

This quotes a cycle time of 4.5s on a BD-50.

You're looking at 4-6 weeks beforehand to get stock into the logistic and fufillment warehouses.

You've also got to balance up what other titles are going through as well - Q3-Q4 obviously everyone is getting ready for Christmas.

Again, it's not about the date of the last change, that shouldn't be an issue because they shouldn't be being rushed.  There will be a cost involved in how quick the job can be turned around in - ficticous / unrealistic deadlines that have to be met. I have spent months discussing a job in the planning phase only to see the press release go up before the assets turn up , then the client is screaming they're going to miss their deadline.

I guess my main point is that there are different issues which are attributed to different points in the entire process:

• Editorial Changes - Lucas
• Colour Grading - Lucas / Post Production
• Humdinger - VT Ops who didn't runtime the layoff / tape dub
• Overbearing Sound Effects / Mix - Burtt / Wood / Whoever
• Reversed Rear Channels for 1 Real - Compressionist

 

If you flag a certain issue further down the line, the question is did your company introduce it and unfortunately 'is it good enough'.

The original Godfather DVD release looked awful, everyone said it was awful and I heard through a friend of a friend that he failed it during QC multiple times because it looked awful.  In the end the question was:

Does it look like the Master we were supplied? Yes it did.

Then it has passed QC.

A VT Op should have spotted the Humdinger glitch, but it's not his job to say the lightsabres look wrong, because as a fan he knows they should have white cores. And even if he did, who is going to listen to him?

Same as the original trilogy.  Lucas made the change in 1997 and as far as he's concerend it's done.  Everything else will be based on that, and that's the company line, that's what everyone is briefed on.  Perhaps every once in a while someone tries to suggest a return to the original versions, but probably get's fobbed off by their line manager, or their boss' boss because they know the company line and don't want to rock the boat.  These people have jobs and they can't Martyr themselves because the company doesn't see it the 'fans' way.

I knew there was a reason I just read here and keep my mouth shut - when the worst comes out of this community it's like a gang of whining armchair quaterbacks who don't have a clue how 'the real world' works.

I'm not justifying these practises, it's just the nature of the industry and sadly not every studio is like Criterion.

I think I'll go back to lurking...

This is a very good point. It's about getting the product out there and marketing the hell out of it to move a mass amount of copies. The film presentation is really the last thing on people's minds. Besides Criterion, Kino and Eureka/Masters of Cinema you're not really ever going to get  painstaking effort by a studio to present films-unless they have already poured a bunch of money into a restoration or new scan. Then they will be more likely to want to make sure that they get their money's worth. MOD services are getting better all the time, and if they move to HD then I think it will only get better. With these titles they have to use the best print from the studio and clean it up like a Criterion transfer. Not the best, but still more care than is put into a catalog release.

And the Godfathers-ugh...they never looked well from the first time I saw them on VHS to LD to that awful, awful DVD set. I gave that away years ago. RH's work on restoring them has got to be freaking near definitive. (Although I wished they had been able to do an analog film restoration, I understand the more cost-effective digital process, but they should have allowed for an 8K scan instead of 4K.)

At least George is only scribbling with his crayons on a crummy over-processed 1080p scan.

I Me Mine-The Beatles.

I like the rougher, more balls out tracks on Let it Be. Sounds like they just started jamming in the studio and shook everything off. Guess I really need to listed to Naked.

Ahh..but I have the Extraordinarily Deluxe Edition (best DVD reissue title ever)..in 1.66:1..complete with The Book of the Soundtrack of the Film. :) It's on it's way to Blu supposedly!

The Lincoln Lawyer-servicable, not good not bad just meh. 2 awkward zoom balls out of 4.

Oh god, for a second I thought you meant Peeping Tom. And then I would have severely Internet smited you.

My idea is to make a cerebral horror film, Just like back in the 50-60's. Now we can go where Corman/Price/Hammer couldn't but still remain cerebral.

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

skyjedi2005 said:

And what about the next James Bond flick have heard zero.

I heard something about the next James Bond film.

Apparently it won't be taking place in the Craig continuity, but in the original continuity, with Sean Connery reprising the role of James Bond. The plot revolves around an old, decrepit Bond with syphilis who comes out of retirement to save the world from the evil hybrid clone of Dr. No & Blofeld who is growing a clone army of Baron Samedis to use in his quest for world domination. This Bond film is to be the closing chapter of the original James Bond's story, with Bond dying in service to his Queen and country.

There are rumours that David Lynch had been hired to direct.

 

NOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! That's almost as bad as Tarantino! But wait....it kinda sounds a bit like the genius 1967 film...now that would be interesting...with Lynch, Polanski, Ken Russell and Nicholas Roeg as the co-directors.

But the new film is supposed to be directed by Sam Mendes and out in late 2012. They're going to try to make Bond an art film. It started creeping in during the mess of Quantum. This next one will be more "classical", meaning they will just take a step closer to the kind of movie they made a franchise out of, but still fall short of making any kind of actual statement or something worth the ticket.

Tintin is going to be my final end-all litmus test for Spielberg. If it works, then he will have proven his mettle. But likely I will be just as disappointed as usual. And then I will completely give up on his output. (I haven't liked anything post 87 anyway, save for Crusade.)

Yay! The 97-she exists! But fading already? What, do they purposefully mishandle and improperly store prints so that they deteriorate? Maybe these prints all sit in a Fox vault. Sounds like what an art house will typically get from a studio for a weekend rental.

If any LFL people read this: just transfer the original SE!

Any idea if it was shown in Dolby or DTS?

Why the hell did all the ESB Falcon cockpit scenes get cropped? It's like they thought "tighter means more intense". Kersh & co. framed the cockpit scenes tighter than the original film (which looks more like a mock up) so it looked less fake and more of a lived in environment but still kept plenty of room to have full view of everyone.

I should know how to do this, but I've never really archived anything before and only have my laptop to work with now. I need to upload some DL sized files I had previously made to somewhere like megaupload, which would mean I need to split into 100mb files. Can something like this be done in WinRar? And is a dlc file necessary?

Deliberate creative decision.

I managed to get the subs in the black bar letterbox area where they originally were by making a separate copy of each subtitle shot and then scaling to 16:9, shrinking the area to fit and cropping off everything but the subs, and then overlaying that on top of the black bottom letterbox of the main transfer. All in all it works pretty well. I didn't like the FCP text much anyway.

I'll probably upload these somewhere. Will shoot you a PM when I do so.

I did these late at night in my old school's editing lab. The player and capture device I had access to wasn't the greatest and the Macs fought me every step of the way. I didn't have time to really go through them frame by frame so on some of the discs there are a few glitched frames here and there.(by this I mean frames that appear as color blobs/bars/snow and sometimes with a brief audio dropout etc.)

I'd like to redo these with my own player as soon as I build my own editing PC. (If I can ever save up enough! ;)

If you'd like to have the ones I did finish that's no problem, but they are very very rough. I tried all kinds of things on these transfers just to see what was possible on the software I could use.  Each is a dual layer, hand scaled 16:9 disc. I did the scaling by hand because I couldn't get measurements to look right and I wanted to not crop any part of the frame-especially on the 1.66:1 titles. Gosh, that was a nightmare trying to measure and anamorphicize!

The IVTC I chose looks good for the most part, but I'm not really happy with the overall picture. The sound was originally to be PCM but I couldn't get an authoring that would work so I just encoded everything at 448 ac3. Dolby Surround titles are encoded as such.

Work chain: Imported LD and digital audio into Final Cut Pro in a lossless DV codec, cut together with any dropouts fixed with VHS if necessary, Scaled to fit a 16:9 anamorphic sequence, Exported as lossless quicktime mov, converted to Apple ProRes 422HQ, brought into Compressor and exported at maximum bitrate and Dolby ac3 @ 448 kbp/s (Surround encoded if necessary) with Reverse Telecine, DVD built and encoded in DVD Studio Pro to an .img file.

Titles done: (Dual Layer, 16:9, Trailers+Logos included if present)

Connery Collection Vol. 1: 1.66:1, 2.0 mono@448 kbp/s

SW Trilogy 97 SE+Doc: 2.35:1, 2.0 Dolby Surround encoded@ 448 kbp/s

The Spy Who Loved Me-1991 LD-2.35:1, 2.0 Dolby Surround encoded@ 448

You Only Live Twice-1989 LD-2.35:1, 2.0 mono@448

Chinatown-1993 LD-2.35:1, 2.0 mono, 2.0 isolated score@448

Anchorhead said:

captainsolo said:

OMG! Best gif ever!! Episode #26 The Car Hater!

Back to the thread.

Huge nerd myself.  Don't make me prove it by posting my gif of Yvonne Von Vondervon.  ;-)

 

*edit*

Fuck it, I'm doing it anyway;

(Mouth frozen open) Ohhhhhhhhhh!

One thing I'd love to do in my lifetime is restore both the US series and Japanese Mach-Go-Go from the original 35mm masters. I'm soo tired of the freaking Betacam masters done in 93 for VHS and DVD with the new logos and a few time compressed episodes.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

I am quite certain I saw the full Biggs reunion in the theater multiple times mid-1977. Unlike the hook, the Biggs scene isn't an incidental thing, but a lengthy scene with significant dialogue.  I don't expect people to believe me, but I don't mind... I'm confident my memory will be vindicated someday!

Strange how I recall it so vividly as well. I hope my memory isn't playing tricks on me, which it has and that time it was also a vivid memory. :-(

I saw it sometime between 2002 and 2005, thinking that "Luke's father" was the AOTC version of Anakin. I remember being quite fascinated about it for some time. It was actually what really inspired me to think about how Episode IV really came first and the film makers didn't really know how they would eventually portray Luke's father in the prequels. I started wondering about production history... then being intrigued by an unaltered VHS... then wanted to learn more about getting unaltered versions.. I suppose it inadvertently led to a chain of events which led me to this site...... jeez and I can't even find it.

It's ironic how a lie your memory plays on you can lead to so much...

I remember seeing it on a TV in widescreen, the exact same angle as in the Special Edition. I distinctly remember the Pilot's line "I knew you're father. He was the best starpilot in the galaxy," then he later said, "If you're half as good as he is, you'll be all right." 

If anyone's curious, at my disposal, I had the Faces Laserdiscs, the Widescreen Special Edition VHSes, the 1990 Trilogy Box Set, the mid-1980's CBS/Fox issues, From Star Wars to Jedi, and the 2004 set.

I know I've seen it somewhere somehow not theatrically and not in Deleted Magic etc.

danny_boy said:

 

On page 32 of the  latest edition of DVD review there is an interview with Matthew Wood:

Regarding the sound mix he says:

We have everything here that I could go through and all we have is a 4 track master that we used in 1997 to create the special editions; music,sound effects and dialogue all layered on top of each other with no separation.

So starting in 2004 we began the meticulouse job of going throughall the original elements of sound effects that were in Ben Burtts library.

Finding the original music masters and putting those back in synchronisation with the picture , and then pulling the dialogue from the original 1/4 inch master tapes and all the ADR masters to create a 5.1 or 6.1 master.It was a meticulouse labour of love to make sure every single sound effect,piece of dialogue and music that you heard was from the original..

It was'nt going to be a new piece of dialogue or a new take that you were not familiar with.It all had to have the emotional impact of the original, we just had to update it for the modern soundstage.

We would play the 4 track master that was used in the 70's then carried through the 80's VHS period,through the laserdisc period in the 90's then up until the special editions, then play back all the elements that we had put together from miles and miles of magnetic tape that we transfered into pro tools,rebuilding it in 30 second increments, listening for the right laser, the right darth vader breath,the right foot step.

Luckily we are both huge star wars fans(Wood and Dave Accord--clone wars sound designer) so it was not hard to do because if things were not right you just felt it.

We used our huge fandom as well as our professional prowess to make it work.

So no one has the original mono, stereo or six track? Just the 4 track master? This new mix is going to be some crazy Frankenstein creation.

The Golden age is the mid/late 30's through the 70's.

My vote is for the 60's mainly because of Lawrence and early John Barry.

Least favorite certainly would be the 2010's. Completely uninventive.

Today at 2:34

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/08/19/ridley-scott-blade-runner-harrison-ford/

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo! The article suggests a remake....please god no!!