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#636608
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Info: James Bond - Laserdisc Preservations: 1962-1971
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Flexicon9 said:

The SE DVD of OHMSS from the year 2000 seems to have great color timing and a good brightness level... well balanced.  The Blu-ray pumps up the contrast to much and blows out the image a bit too much.  How does the UE DVD rate in image quality vs. the other discs as far a color and brightness?  I know Lowry cleaned it up but is it less bright than the Blu-ray?  Also, is the recent DVD repackage that was released in 2012 exactly the same transfer as the UE DVD?

The BDs for all nine of the unreleased films are either exactly the same of tweaked.

The video mastered titles are pretty much the same (TLD, OP etc.)

The 4K remastered titles (YOLT, OHMSS, DAF) are tweaked to be slightly more accurate, but are brighter and colder too. OHMSS has the contrast blown out in addition to damage lines. The UE is on all DVD releases, and has correct contrast mostly, but with revisionist color timing that ruins some sequences.

TSWLM BD is an all new non-Lowry master. But the color is not fully correct either. No original audio too.

 

The question is this: Can the SE sources ever be cleaned up to a point of possible usage? They're so full of DVD nasties like Edge enhancement and heavy compression that it may not be possible. But they are by and large the LD transfers in 480p ala GOUT.

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#636604
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TV's Frink said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Begins-Youtube-PAL-NTSC-Versions-Released/post/636362/#TopicPost636362

Also, I've recently been on a foreign language thriller kick:

Timecrimes (Spanish, 2007)
Them (French, 2006)
Hell (German/Swiss, 2011)

 

I liked Timecrimes the best although I'm still not sure it made sense.  Hell was enjoyable until the end where things just fell into place too easily for our protagonists.  And Them was just okay.

If you haven't seen Tell No One (France), give it a try. Probably the best movie of the 2000's.

 

Little Caesar

The first WB gangster epic, the film that brought us the legend of Eddie G. Robinson, a Pre-Code film that was then banned for 15-20 years, a tight 80 minute narrative and the reason we have the gangster film.

A classic in every sense. 4 balls out of 4 cigars. See?

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#636602
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Info: Hard Boiled and The Killer
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Thanks, I appreciate the response. I was about to say that the Fox Lorber Killer disc has the same hum but at an even worse volume level. Makes perfect sense since an optical track was used. Criterion states that they had access to the 3 track magnetic master audio for Hard Boiled.

Whoa! There's a definite difference there!

The only thing is that we can't exactly tell what is supposed to be saturated and what is supposed to be bright. Part of me likes the appearance of the new Japanese disc until some sequences are over-brightened and lack the color saturation in some of the setting lighting, and the tweaked version appears far more balanced yet the depth of saturation in the blues/purples of the background has never seemed right to me on other transfers on DVD.

Either way, this is the best the film has ever looked on home video. I just wish there was an accurate source we could work from.

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#636463
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Info: Hard Boiled and The Killer
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If and when you do work on the Criterion audio for The Killer, the only things I see that need addressing are the very few pops that cause some dialogue or sound interruption (I think there's like 3-4 of these max) but more importantly there's a high frequency hum that goes through at least 3/4ths of the film. It is sometimes drowned out by the soundtrack but definitely there. I checked my own CLV disc and it is there as well, so it is indeed something inherent in the transfer or source material.

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#636298
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Bingowings said:

imperialscum said:

Magnolia. I didn't like it.

I was given it (and Salo) for for free when I purchased a Gamecube game from a now closed down second hand DVD/Games shop near my mum's house.

Oh yes, here's a great little movie to go along with your GameCube/Animal Crossing bundle...;)

Supergirl is a brilliant film not perfect by any means but better than any of the Burton related Batman films.

You must really have not liked Returns then.

Is Supergirl worth watching for any reason? I kinda never wanted to do anything past Superman II after seeing III and IV once.

 

The Ladykillers

There is nothing like classic Ealing. Nothing. A vibrant, warm, inviting, whimsical, charming and morbid gem. Alec Guiness is perfectly cast as the ever-patient gang leader, and it is an odd pleasure to see Herbert Lom and Peter Sellers together 9 years before A Shot in the Dark.

4 balls out of 4. Timeless classic.

SO LET'S REMAKE IT IN THE 00's WITH TOM HANKS, TRANSPORT THE SETTING TO MISSISSIPPI AND DUMB DOWN EVERYTHING...HMM SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA!

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#635541
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Info: Films re-color timed on video releases
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Knightmessenger said:

god I am so sick of getting a green or bluish tint on movies. I hate it when they do that with new movies because honestly do you want your movie to look like an instagram photo? But it's even worse when they can't get a classic film right. Maybe they should just scan a theatrical print. It will look better than a dvd because it's in HD and is true to the theatrical experience.

Honestly, the fact that the star wars deleted scenes weren't remastered didn't bother me. I liked seeing the grain on them.

I'm the same way. I usually like the deleted untouched material over the "pristine" transfer.

I still think that the archival versions of Blade Runner are too blue or teal in some scenes (not as bad as the final cut) but I'm still holding onto my 1997 dvd as well. Also some of the footage in Dangerous Days doc looks different from any version on dvd. It should be noted Charles de Lazuirika did post online in a discussion about Blade Runner and said they attempted to preserve the original look of the films for the past versions.

Good move I did this too but the '97 DVD is terrible. The CAV LD is far better on all counts and doesn't have all that awful artifacting in addition to rendering color better. The sound mix in the original Dolby Stereo is better than the 5.1. As far as the archival versions go they do seem a bit on the cold side visually and not at all like the earlier video incarnations. All the 80's transfers of theatrical and International cuts are very warm with an almost golden shine to them. (Look at 5 minutes of the Criterion.)  The archival versions look like a cross between this and the Director's Cut LD which seems to be from a more accurate scan. I'm almost convinced the DC LD is the most accurate color source.

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#635340
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Info: Hard Boiled and The Killer
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Weelll...just be careful, I always forget how bright this film is in certain sections and how prevalent the blues can be.

I just won a cheap copy of the Criterion CAV LD. The DVD version is the same master and as far as color is concerned, this is probably the most accurate source to work from. It has that correct darkness without going into teals and purples like many of the later DVD transfers do. The source print was a new struck 35mm IP and was approved by Woo, like Criterion's Killer transfer. The audio is a dream even for the limitations of a single mono track. Great clarity and definition for a film we know so well from low bitrate DVD and fuzzy VHS.

The LD feels like you're projecting your own 16mm print at home.

Stellar packaging to boot. However there was an interesting difference on the LD that is present on no other version. Criterion couldn't find clean opening titles for their transfer and resorted to the temp credits made for an English language print I assume. The red title cards are mistimed and are very grating. The original Cantonese opening is in the extras as is the end credits. The English language end credits excise a great deal of credits and THE END title card

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GDkJqAPlsA

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#634722
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Wonder why Sellers/Edwards never made another Panther  film in the 60's? They feuded and thought the idea was spent for a time. The Mirisch Co. thought there was another sequel ripe for making, but Sellers/Edwards came up with

The Party

which has to be one of the dullest, uninteresting bits of fluff ever produced. Even the Sellers touch is missing. It goes on and on and on. Never funny. Never remotely interesting. It's Peter in almost brownface doing a very stereotyped Indian voice, IN ONE REALLY DULL DINNER PARTY WHERE NOTHING HAPPENS EXCEPT SOME OCCASIONAL DUMB HIJINKS!!!

I would rather watch Casino Royale. 5 times in a row. At least that knows it is bad.

1/2 ball for somewhat trying out of 4 bad sitar themes.

Of course I decided to finally try that one-of 60's Panther film, the one made by the studio without Sellers/Edwards but with the writers of the 70's era sequels.

Inspector Clouseau

stars Alan Arkin who actually isn't a bad Jacques, but lacks the gravitas and inherent weakness of Peter. The film starts out messy but you are willing to forgive...until you realize that it really is that messy and only gets worse. Nothing can save this. It's beyond dull, becomes absolute tedium, the plot is only there to have more screentime, the direction is nonexistent.

Fun fact: Directed by the same Bud Yorkin of ruining Blade Runner fame.

Zero balls.

 

Speaking of classic sci-fi and remakes...they're remaking my LMS. Originally by James Cameron who did Avatar instead. 3D release planned soon for this.

Fantastic Voyage

I haven't seen this in years. One of the sci-fi classics I saw as a kid on late night cable many years ago. The effects still hold up for the most part, but what is more dating and cheesy are the silly surroundings of the Cold War infused sci-fi military operations that are absolutely ridiculous. Bad sets, bad operational ideas, I'm now wanting to read Asimov's novel because he refused to keep the script's story out of sheer silliness. It's a good idea and works well due to the almost real time pacing of that 60 minute clock, but overall lacks a big impact.

And seriously guys? You don't know who the saboteur is? Have you even looked at the freaking crew of five and SEN who is among them??? Helooooo!

2.5 balls out of 4 appropriately placed antibodies on clingy wetsuits...;)

 

But I have to say, I'm not a big fan of older sci-fi films because I wasn't ever heavy into the classic 50's period. That said, the 1951 original Day The Earth Stood Still is a bewilderingly powerful exception. That bowled me over, and 100% deserves its reputation.

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#634381
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Idea & Info: Cinerama 70mm '2001' preservation. Is it possible?
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Wow, thanks for the interest guys, this is the kinda stuff that's been floating around my head for a while.

The MGM and Warner should be identical with the 5.1 track from the last MGM LD release. They had planned a DTS LD which sadly was canceled in the last days of LD.

What I'm wondering is what about the 2001 corrected Warner DVD, which should be in between the MGM first disc and the new digital master. I've got this one and will give a spin through and spot check some things.

The MGM CLV is indeed not color accurate, it looks pitiful compared against the Criterion and as if the colorist simply went to sleep. The audio is the same and may be a bit cleaner (I'm only guessing as the Criterion was great except for 4-5 very minor spots of distortion/damage for the whole feature)

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#634377
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DTS audio preservation .... UPDATE 07 May 2015 ... Work In Progress
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The DKR 15/70 IMAX audio was some of the worst I've heard in a long while. Horridly loud in the first reel, and then far too quiet throughout in the dialogue scenes. It felt terribly dull to be honest.It may have bneen the IMAX theater though, many reported similar experiences with TDKR.

Is there enough interest to do a similar Theatrical Dolby thread? One for Stereo, Surround, SR and 5.1 mixes ported to LD and the like?

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#633757
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2001

When I learned of Roger Ebert's death, this was an immediate gut reaction. I put on my Criterion CAV set at full blast with the original 70mm mix. The color timing is different to any to any other transfer (looks like the prints) and was directly transferred from a 35mm IP and the 70mm 6 track master under SK's supervision.

Great LD title. Not just a film but a work of art and a statement on man's place in the universe whatever it may be.

The Caine Mutiny

I'm sure this is a great novel, but they must have cut out 90% of the book. This film is horridly underdeveloped and the only thing of interest must wait until the 80 minute mark. Bogie is wonderful in his last big important role, but is terribly underused, even his big courtroom scene is drastically reduced to a small bit. Way way way too much fat around little to no meat.

2.5 balls out of 4.

Invisible Stripes

Another late WB gangster film, this time more of a crossover with one of their 30's social dramas. Raft and Bogie are getting out of the joint, Raft wants to go straight-Bogie back to the high life.

The film plays everything straightforward, and Raft is at his best when playing the regretful man trying to do right. The supporting characters for once are written with some intelligence and do not become grating. Bogie is as always in these films the second-rate player who is expendable but absolutely mesmerizing. And Raft's younger brother in the film is played by a fresh young face that takes you five minutes to realize it's actually a very very young Bill Holden.

3 balls out of 4.

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#633544
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Info: Films re-color timed on video releases
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Superman is horridly obvious. A teal costume????? WTF??

 

At least with Blade Runner it was a creative decision by the whole restoration team and the director's personal choice. And the original versions were not altered. When watching the FC it isn't a big nagging issue. And the BDs should be redone because they are only BD25s with outdated codecs. The 35mm Final Cut was and is stunning and has none of the BD's issues. (I would know. I saw it eight times. In a week.)

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#632735
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Idea & Info: Cinerama 70mm '2001' preservation. Is it possible?
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Has anyone seen the film in 70mm?

I'm not sure as to how the timing was done. All prints I've seen look like the old editions, and the MGM LD had to be corrected to match the Criterion. The initial widescreen MGM Laser looks quite dull.

I don't think the new timing is wrong by any means, it comes from a better scan of higher generation materials. Yet it doesn't quite resemble theatrical.

Take a peek here at the MGM DVD shots. http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReview/2001.htm

It's a very subtle difference overall, almost giving a feeling of a baked appearance. This is a over sharpened DVD of the CAV set they did, but you get the idea. On film, 2001 looks like this but with the far greater detail and clarity found on the BD. All that really needs to be done I think is some general tweaking here and there perhaps to mimic printing processes of the time.

On the audio, the 5.1 should work just fine as it is supposedly the same original track. The new 5.1 mix is very good and shouldn't be jettisoned but loses the original sound design with directional dialogue panning meant to go across all five front channels. It really sounds different spatially to the original mix,especially when I've A/B ed with the Criterion PCM. Perhaps a hybrid track is in order where we could take the matrixed surround and combine it with the LFE channel?

The big issue is Smilebox; how to do it correctly, how to properly distort the image to create that sense of true depth, and also not infringe upon any rights because I'm pretty sure the process is copyrighted. Plus this isn't three strip Cinerama, but the more common single strip version where it was only projected onto the curvature instead of being technically designed for it.

BTW it's pretty much understood that the nearly 20 minutes of 2001 footage found in the WB underground vault in Kansas is the 12-20 minutes Stanley originally cut after the initial premieres. And of course in addition to killing Douglas Trumbull's innovative documentary, WB is sitting on absolutely priceless materials. And if someone is doing similarly with the original lost Strangelove ending (which there is evidence of!) I will find you and give you a cream pie. ;)

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#632583
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Idea & Info: Cinerama 70mm '2001' preservation. Is it possible?
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Ok, so here’s an idea I’ve tried to figure out for some time.

What if we took the current remastered HD 2001: A Space Odyssey master on the BD and tried to return it to something more akin to what played in 70mm Cinerama back in 1968?

The 6 track audio was put on the Criterion LD as Dolby Surround PCM, the later MGM LDs and was mixed into 5.1, and on the initial MGM DVD as 5.1. All of these have the original sound design intact with the correct dialog panning as intended. With what HH did on his 70mm SW mix, I think it’s definitely possible.

Then the color timing could be looked at, because the current SE DVD/BD and digital prints look different to the film as I have seen projected several times. In fact the prints look like all the old Criterion/MGM issues.

But perhaps most interesting of all, wouldn’t it be interesting to apply a Smilebox effect as was wonderfully used on the restored BD of How the West Was Won? This might finally give an idea of how impacting 2001 is theatrically. It was a single camera, single projector 70mm Cinerama film that was simply projected onto the famed deeply curved screen.

From the Kubrick site:

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If you’re a 2001 fan lucky enough to have a laser disc player, there are six disc versions the best of which come remarkably close to the theatrical experience. These versions are:

1. MGM Pan and Scan. Not worth it, for reasons expressed above.

2. Japanese letterbox CAV set, the first letterbox set available. I haven’t seen this, but reviews I’ve read indicate it falls far short of the later American transfers and isn’t worth having, it is probably costly as well.

3 & 4. CAV and CLV Criterion disc sets. CAV is 6 sides, including “specials” the CLV is 3 sides without specials. These sets both use the same transfer, done in 1988 by the Voyager companies’ legendary Maria Groumbos Palazzola. This was transferred from a 35mm “anamorphic” source (at the time of this transfer there was no 65mm/70mm telecine equipment in existence). The transfer was done in association with Full Metal Jacket’s editor, Martin Hunter and “dailies” of the transfer were sent to Stanley Kubrick in England. Kubrick faxed back comments and Palazzola has written that he required 6 runs through with changes before he would approve it. The transfer was “state of the art” for 1988, with good image detail, fairly low grain and good fidelity to Kubrick’s detailed color scheme. Even today the Criterion transfer is worthwhile viewing and no version – except the as-yet-unreleased (although broadcast) digital transfer from a new print supervised by Kubrick, using new technologies – captures the deep black of Kubrick’s space scenes as well. Unfortunately, in order to keep this deep black, many of the stars visible in the theatre simply cannot be seen, lessening the impression that the spacecraft are moving against the background. The sound was transferred from a 6 track magnetic master into the Dolby Surround format, and is as good as one could hope, adding greatly to the “you are there” feel which the small screen presentation cannot capture visually. Thankfully the film is presented with the overture and entr’acte music (short excerpts of Ligeti’s Atmospheres) and an extended playing of The Blue Danube at the end as “walk out” music. Following Criterion’s practice these are presented over a black screen.

The aspect ratio of this transfer is approximately 2.21:1, which is the 70mm aspect ratio, but this is misleading. This is because the transfer was taken from a 35mm “scope format” interpositive which was presented at 2.35:1 in the theatre (resulting in a strip being lost from the 70mm image in the theatrical presentation). When transferred to video, at 2.21:1 the sides of the 2.35:1 35mm image are also slightly compromised. Nothing important is missing from this version, but there is a small amount of image missing from the top, bottom, and sides of the original picture. The result is actually a slightly larger image than would have appeared otherwise.

5 MGM CLV “budget” transfer 3 sides. This is the first transfer of 2001 done from the original 65mm film, and the entire image, including the parts not visible in the Criterion is visible. The sound is equal to that in the Criterion. Reportedly Turner had a great deal of trouble with a “too red” oversaturated look and had to re transfer the film to get this result. Even so the color leaves much to be desired, and the prevalence of earth tones look very little like Kubrick’s color scheme. The transfer also varies in brightness from shot to shot making this, in my view, the worst version of the film, short of the pan and scans. The film is presented with amusingly inappropriate chapter titles, the funniest of which is “Beating the Bone”.

6. MGM CAV 25th Anniversary CAV box set, 6 sides. This is reportedly the same film to tape transfer as the CLV version, but it has been meticulously color corrected shot by shot before being mastered for laser disc. The result is the best video version, in my view, full of detail, low grain, with all of the stars visible and with the entire aspect ratio of the original 70mm presentation. Possibly this version does not capture the black of the space shots or Kurick’s color scheme quite as well as the Criterion, but it comes quite close. Both of the MGM versions have the overture, entr’acte and walk out music, but place intrusive titles on the screen presumably so we won’t think our TVs have broken (the CAV version has a more dignified looking title). Thankfully the 25th Anniversary CAV has re named the chapters “Beating the Bone” for example, is “The Evolution of Man”. Unfortunately the closing titles of the film are placed on a different side from the end of the movie itself, so that we miss out on the intentional contrast between the powerful final strains of Zarathustra and the “post climactic” (and humorous) Blue Danube.

This misses the 7th LD edition, an MGM CLV with Dolby ac3 5.1.

Thoughts?

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#632481
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DTS audio preservation .... UPDATE 07 May 2015 ... Work In Progress
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I think The Matrix is in a similar situation with other Warner 90's titles such as the later Batman films. Dolby and DTS releases theatrically, Dolby on LD, and for the new DVD/BDs a new 5.1 mix made from master files but re-EQd and mixed for modern homes and soundbars. And put into Dolby TrueHD.

So in essence The Matrix hasn't been heard in DTS since 1999.

I thank those on the lookout for Goldeneye and TND.

I'd like to request the DTS for The World Is Not Enough (may have had a ES  presentation) and for Batman Forever.