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If it’s not teal and in better shape than the TC and EC HD masters I’m thinking it should be rather easy to make a version of the TC from it and sync the superior LD audio. I wish that was the second disc rather than another copy of the EC disc.

Still. Amazing news. I love WAC, and hope they eventually do the Fleischers.

Warner Archive just announced they are releasing a brand new 2017 HD master of the 188 minute tv version.
Holy…
It will be a bluray release packaged with a second disc of the regular extended cut.

Most interesting is that if it’s a new master they did themselves it will likely be without the added teal.
I still can’t believe this good news.

SilverWook said:

Bring back Short Round! Would be nice to see him grown up and following in Indy’s footsteps.

What I was dying for in the fourth film.

I think both Raiders and Temple are those rare things in being perfect films. What most people seem to react against Temple for is the fact that it is even MORE of a 1930’s adventure than Raiders. What makes it special however, is by trying so hard to be the opposite of the first film it manages to find its own place and truly work in its own right. And this is even when the story is clearly inspired lock, stock and barrel from Gunga Din.

Beginning with Last Crusade I think Lucas lost interest as he seemingly didn’t even like the story elements he was coming up with. Outside of the built up father-son relationship and some great moments of iconic scenes TLC really suffers from being both by the numbers and derivative of the series. It was as if they decided top consciously do the opposite of Temple and revisit many of the same elements as Raiders.

Kingdom was unforgivably bad to me. I had hoped they would leave it at that but I really have no desire in anything 5 related.

That said I did recently play Lego Indy and that got me excited again so I think I’m going to dive into more of the novels. I’ve read the novelizations and a book or two which were far better in tone and story than the films had gotten.

I liked Fate of Atlantis but the age and style of the game make it cumbersome these days. The later games are all pretty damn bad and have lackluster stories. Infernal Machine was infernally frustrating on the n64 (that. damn. jeep.) , and Emperor’s Tomb was almost as bad. Staff of Kings is really not worth it, but if it ever comes across the cheap bins I may give it a go. Uncharted is okay, but it doesn’t fill that fedora sized hole in gaming. Why they can’t just give in and let someone really make an amazing game? Why not go nuts and have Rockstar or Rocksteady do it?

Long list: Batman Forever, Flash Gordon, The Shadow, The Phantom and many many more. Why some deride Temple of Doom will forever confuse me.

For me personally the Bonds have never and will never be treated with the respect they deserve, almost as a victim of the series’ success. LTK is where I draw the line in the sand, as the Brosnan era is where all the real modern issues started cropping up. They have their moments but all four have deeply problematic flaws despite my continual defense of them.

The first sixteen though are inscribed upon my being. LTK was long bashed about until modern sensibilities “rediscovered” it and now it is TLD that is the forgotten film. It absolutely kills me when I see deep negativity concerning what are labeled as lesser entries. Not liking a particular style is one thing, but to write off films when the writer clearly did not understand the tone or aim is another entirely. Derision about the Mankiewicz trilogy (DAF, LALD, TMWTGG) gets me right in the gut. The first is a dark humored cartoon strip for adults, the second a back to basics two fisted adventure story, and the third an attempt to bring back grandeur. Additionally there were the declining fortunes of the British film industry to consider, the falling box office returns and the dissolution of the Saltzman-Broccoli partnership during this time.
Moonraker long gets derided for the admittedly off putting humor, but overall it tries to go beyond TSWLM in terms of scale. Octopussy suffers from its messy script but overall works as a fine piece of craftsmanship-and absolutely obliterates the pitiful NSNA.
AVTAK is an oddball. It was clear the series was downshifting amidst changing times, but by keeping Roger on for another go, it allows for a much more somber and refreshing tone of older age to begin seeping in that provides much more interest in what is admittedly a far lower key story.

The ultimate I may be mad entry? I absolutely adore the 1967 Casino Royale now. Madcap, balls to the wall insane, but really quite damn hilarious and quirky-with a cast you couldn’t even dream up. I think it is not only the best worst film ever made, but unforgettably masterful. The Herculean effort of bringing the multitude of materials into something even resembling cohesion finally sank in and I actually think in some strange way it actually works.

As you guys all know the current era made me want to go jump off a cliff, but they’ve managed to go steadily downhill ever since. The worst was Spectre because now that they want to finally reintroduce classic elements it becomes painfully obvious that it just doesn’t work with the current style. Spectre was literally like a beyond dull unending fashion/fragrance/car advertisement. At the very least QoS tried to introduce some gritty never before done elements despite having a script crisis far worse than TND did.

I will admit that I’ve only been absolutely destroyed by how devastatingly bad a picture is a handful of times. One was CR 2006. One was Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. One was TFA. And then there was what happened to poor Speed. Oh gosh it’s like reopening a fresh wound. My curiosity got the better of me and I went to Speed Racer in what was an empty theater during its second week. I get what they were going after in terms of tone, but jeez how could you literally miss 99.99999% of what the original was about? Most painful was that the actual heart and spirit of the show was absolutely nowhere to be found. This should have been the greatest car film ever made, it should have been about racing and misadventures, it should have been deeply rooted in Japanese ethics. But bright colors beyond any comprehension. Hubba Hubba.

Again these are my own thoughts and if you liked any of these that’s absolutely your prerogative.

Just wanted to say after spinning this again: The new disc is perfection aside from not having all the Criterion features. The 7.1 is the best sounding version ever completed as it perfectly recreates the original panning sound design of the six track release-and far better so than any previous mix including, LD, matrixed versions and the discrete 5.1.

If you don’t have this already what are you waiting for?

Your tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker.
–then I’ll see you in hell!

Ultimately I think this is yet another of the problems/issues created by the multitudes of drafts getting redone and reduced over and over before finally becoming a simple lower budget filmable narrative that was then retconned and further complicated by the plot twists in the sequels that then undermined the story of the first film. The EU made attempts to define some of these which are now out so again we’re back at square one.

Soooo…I’m just going to stick with the adoptive parents who may or may not actually be blood relatives.
As a kid I often wondered how in the hell would Vader not recognize his only relatives suddenly have offspring and could only surmise that there was some pain inherent to his character that would make Tatooine the last place he would ever go…yet Vader seemingly has no restrictions or memory of anything in SW because the character shift didn’t exist yet…isn’t the inconsistent retconning fun? 😉

Sorry, yes I was referring to The World is Not Enough.

I’m so flipping excited for this.

I still find myself saying: Yesterday was a Lie coming soon to DVD.

97 Jabba over the replacement any day.

De wanna wanga.

There are several references to Owen being Obi-wan’s brother or relative in the EU and I’ve always wondered exactly how that would have worked.

I think it was clumsily handled in AOTC but the actual relationships should have already been explored long before now IMO. This would be something to do in the Obi-Wan film.

The big difference is in newer film stocks, and a different cameraman. For example look at Temple of Doom vs Raiders. Same team but three years of technical advancements and roughly a different look because of it.

ROTJ has overall a much flatter look to it that is indeed less visually appealing on the surface.

Well this doesn’t bode well.

How do you make a serious space adventure western? Ahh yes get the director of Billy Elliot and The Reader.

The Kenobi novel is really the best starting point for a screenplay as it is practically already tailor made for adaptation. Personally I would have pitched that but slightly expanded to have at least one off-planet sequence.

At best I get the feeling this will be another TWINE scenario where a more art house type director is hired for a big budget feature and there is a complete disconnect between story, characters and action sequences.

Beautiful. This is the only place I ever find myself drooling for mouse droppings. 😉

Everybody mixed in matrixed form for years and it took several years for 5.1 to really take hold. Thus many mid 90’s films still have very good if not better 2.0 surround tracks as that was what got the most attention-especially if theaters hadn’t paid for and new hardware or if the DD 5.1 track went out which it often did.

On the home front it was all about mixing in matrix for ProLogic with no real frills. The 93 mixes are fantastic for the time and for the most part seem to at least make an attempt to stick to the original efforts in spite of the new sound effects here and there.

Fantastic news!
Bring on the gory details!

The archive.org version is identical to the Image release right down to the visible upper right frame edge and cue mark. It appears someone posted the Image version.

The Image disc is literally an LD port right down to early DVD era conversion stuff and video issues like I’ve seen on crummy LD to DVD conversions. Pretty good though and it seems an approximation of what older releases on tape looked like.

I think I might have some of my childhood public domain tapes around somewhere.

By the way great Tumblr site, somehow I had missed you were doing this and publishing the results. After seeing that I’m fully convinced that my previous assumption was right, and what Warner has done was to utilize the negatives and mucked up the intircate differences by trying to standardize openings/closings and frame gaps to cut back on workflow. This is a common practice and can even be seen on the Batman '66 restoration where the opening and closing titles were simply done once and a repeated for every episode. (There’s a noticeable frame wobble) But at least there they got it right and have the appropriate different titles for the season three episodes.

Also, the Bosko release was to have been derived from the best available 35 mm print sources whereas most of the others are all derived from show prints, Worn prints or 16mm reductions. That’s why the Warner negative sourced disc and the Bosko 35mm sourced disc are relatively similar and why I’ve always felt the Bosko is the best overall reference despite being from aged materials.

I kind of really want to obtain the original Bosko release to see if there are any differences, though I really doubt it. It was done for VHS, and I’m pretty sure the DVD is a straight transfer of that but of far better quality much like the image DVD is a direct port of the laser disc.

Hmm…I’ll have to check my Image disc when I get home tonight. My guess would be that the horn line should fade into the closing theme but perhaps the frames went missing over time or the closing logo was standardized and meant to be inserted at the end.

I haven’t gotten to do more than a very quick sampling but Han does say “Trust me” (original) instead of “I can see a lot better now” (SE) which indicates possibly this is derived from the Dolby Stereo master.

I’ll have to check when I get home from work. Your current plans sound fine Puggo, but I will admit I love these so much that an even better version would be awesome.

I found the official note about the mono mix when I was recently reading the 1983 making of ROTJ book. In the final schedule it lists a breakdown of every item by day and lists a day for the 70 mm, a day for the Dolby Stereo mix and a day for the mono mix. Given that ESB and Raiders had dedicated monos I’m pretty positive that ROTJ did-even if there are no differences it would still be important because they would have done a dedicated mix for the format most likely instead of just a fold down.

PSBs mono had many differences, most of which later showed up in the 97 SE remix.

If worse comes to worse could there be just an MKV file version? I remember harmy or someone saying that PSB samples uncompressed were much better then the dvd5 final version.

As for audio, it’s much like ESB in that most of the pre-definitive collection audio tracks seem almost identical and are likely all derived from the theatrical stereo with perhaps some minor massaging here and there for the formats.

Widescreen review on BF:
Both versions of the soundtrack are a blast and you had better be braced into your seat when things get revved up and the 25Hz deep bass kicks in at reference level. The use of the discrete 5.1 palette is wonderful with energized directional and motion effects throughout the soundfield. But the Dolby Surround® version delivers an even fuller bass soundfield experience, with the discrete better articulated.