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Info & a REQUEST: Muppet Christmas Carol - Extended TV Edit

alloneword said:

Never knew about this. Great find!

Thanks 😀

I suppose this can be preserved by re-insterting it into the 2002 Pan and Scan DVD, which also has “When Love is Gone”.

I would presume so, but I don’t know if there were any other little changes. I suppose I could easily do that at least as a stopgap.

I’m no expert, but it’s my understanding that these syndicated TV edits of films would usually add a lot of cut material to pad the running time to neatly fill a broadcast timeslot.

VintageMan94 said:

And On a VHS Release too?

Which song do you mean?

WLIG was also on many (all?) pre-DVD home video releases. Of course, there is now an HD version of WLIG from the digital releases’ extras which has even been fan-edited back into the film very nicely.

As for the extended Marley song, I believe its visuals are unique to the old TV version, though I’d love to be wrong about this.

Info & a REQUEST: Muppet Christmas Carol - Extended TV Edit

There’s a video here on YouTube of a longer version of the song “Marley & Marley” from The Muppet Christmas Carol. It contains the extra intro and final verse heard on the soundtrack CD.

From the description and comments, it seems this was the version broadcast on TV before High Def.

Does anyone remember this version of the film? Were there any other extra or alternate bits?

It’s a long shot, but does anyone have any full recording of this syndicated edit, or a higher-quality video of the extended Marley song?

Info: Any interest in these bits of of old British TV?

While tidying, I found a few bits of old British TV which I don’t think are commercially available on some old DVD-Rs. Anyone interested?

Heroes Unmasked episodes 1-12
BBC’s behind-the-scenes documentary series about NBC’s Heroes

Interview with a couple of Heroes actors on BBC Breakfast News in 2007.

Green Wing - Comic Relief special 2005
Special mini-episode of the sitcom Green Wing which aired as part of the Red Nose Day/Comic Relief telethon in 2005

2 episodes of the original Crystal Maze game show from the 1990s

Assorted old British continuity/idents/station breaks

Disney Mickey's Christmas Carol Hybrid (4:3 + 16:9) (Released)

tonik2000 said:

boffy said:

Nicely done, I can’t see the join. Is that AviSynth’s AutoOverlay?

Yes, it is. Use it too?

I tinkered with it for one shot of my Freddie Mercury video, but couldn’t get it looking as good as you’ve done so ended up just aligning it manually in Resolve. My two source videos were rather different from each other in exposure, colouring, noise/grain, etc…

Freddie Mercury - I Was Born To Love You - HD Authentic Edition (Released)

Long-time lurker, first time contributor. Most of Freddie Mercury’s solo videos have been officially remastered in HD from the original film footage. These HD versions were released in 2019 in the Never Boring box set, on YouTube, and iTunes.

However, there were some editing changes. I’ve tried to fix these in the video for I Was Born To Love You, to create a version in HD which is closer to the 1985 original.

Here is a beta version of my preservation on YouTube. Constructive feedback is welcomed. Also, can anyone think of a snappier title than “Authentic Edition”?

Here are some screenshots for comparison:

This shot runs backwards on the Blu-ray. I reversed to put it right.

This one cuts off early on all the HD versions. I transition seamlessly to an upscale partway through to restore the missing end.

Re-created a slight zoom-in which was missing on all HD versions.

This shot starts a lot later on the Blu-ray. Restored using the complete shot from the iTunes version.

I can’t properly re-create this overlay effect without access to the separate elements, but I’ve fudged it to look closer to the original.

A few shots of Freddie with dancers up on a podium were very magenta in all the remastered versions. I’ve done my best to bring these closer to the original, and to be consistent with other shots in the remaster.

This shot is rather more saturated in the remaster. I haven’t changed it, as it ends in a crossfade…

…but I have de-magenta’d this one to at least be consistent.

Another colour grading tweak

The Big List of Changes to the Star Wars films

I’m reading Anthony Daniels’ book I Am C-3PO, and I’ve just found a slightly different take on the story of one of the first film’s audio differences.

IIRC, the received wisdom is that his whole “tractor beam” line was recorded in a broom cupboard in the UK, and flown over during the mixing process; this is why it was in the mono mix, but not the 1977 stereo/surround one.

Daniels’ version of the story is slightly different.

At some point during editing, they phoned me. […] Would I please go to a studio in London and record an extra line? Of course. What was it?

“That’s holding the ship here.”
“Is that it?”
“Yes. We forgot to say what a tractor beam is actually for.”
“The tractor beam, that is holding the ship here, is coupled to the main reactor is seven locations.”

It was one of the quickest jobs ever but it worked, once they plopped in the new words. The audience would never know the line was compiled over five thousand miles, and many weeks, apart.

I don’t believe I’ve heard any mix which includes “that is holding the ship here”, though I only have the various 1977 mixes to hand this week. Is it in any other mix, or is there an equivalent in any of the foreign language dubs?

I’m not saying the usual version of the story is wrong. Indeed, it seems to fit the facts better than this new one; Mr. Daniels can be forgiven for mis-remembering something which happened over 40 years ago. I just thought another side of an oft-recounted tale may be of interest to some of you.

Magix (Sony) Vegas Pro Edit & DVD (and Blu-ray) Architect for $25 - Flash Sale

First, I hope this isn’t against forum policy. I’m not affiliated with any of the companies involved, nor am I getting any payment for posting this, and I couldn’t see anything against it in the FAQ.
I just thought it may be useful to fan editors.

Until Tuesday 25/12/2018, you can buy Magix Vegas Pro Edit 15 (AKA Sony Vegas), DVD Architect 7, and more for $25

Humble Bundle do short-term sales of bundles of books, games, software, etc…
One of their current bundles is video and audio editing software from Magix, the company who bought Sony’s Creative Software division a couple of years ago.

There are different tiers you can buy. The top tier where you get everything is $25.

The bundle is available to buy until Christmas Day 2018. After you’ve bought it, you can log in to the site and download or re-download the software at any time in the future.

Some of the money goes to charity. If you click Choose where your money goes >, you can even decide how yours is divided up between the charity, Magix, and the website.

I currently use Vegas 14 which I got in a similar Humble Bundle a while ago. I find it has the right balance for me of ease, power, and ability to run on mediocre hardware. I haven’t used DVD Architect before, but I’ve had a quick play and seen it can also author Blu-rays.

Why would starfields have been shot on colour film stock?

I’ve just read one of American Cinematographer’s great collection of interviews about the making of the Star Wars films: (

This one is about the motion-control model photography, and I’m a little confused by this statement.

the star-move is photographed directly onto color negative and set aside for laboratory delivery

We know they had black and white film stock on hand, because the same interview discusses them shooting motion-control elements on b/w to check they all line up.

So why would the monochrome star fields be shot on colour negative? Is there some inherent difficulty in optically compositing colour and b/w film together?

Info: 4K77 vs. Despecialized - Tatooine Outdoors

Here’s a relevant quote from an interview around the time of the original release.

George Lucas said:
I visualized an extremely bizarre, Gregg Toland-like surreal look with strange over-exposed colors, a lot of shadows, a lot of hot areas.

I’m not sure exactly what’s meant by “over-exposed colors” here though. It could refer to overall brightness: in digital terms, all channels over-exposed with blown-out highlights. Alternatively, it could mean over-saturated colour: one or two channels over-exposed, e.g. a shot that’s more or less monochrome red with solid bright red highlights.

Off the top of my head and from a look at 4K77’s thumbnails, I can’t think of any examples of the latter in the original Star Wars. So, I think this supports the idea some scenes were intended to be over-exposed.

EDIT: Just re-watched 4K77, and there are some shots in the garbage compactor and Tie fighters with some very saturated coloured lighting. Does anyone more familiar with film-making terminology know which of the above (or something else I haven’t considered) is the most likely meaning of “strange over-exposed colors”?

Star Wars 1997 DTS CD-ROMs (Released)

I’ve seen contradictory information in different places; has it been determined if these 97SE theatrical mixes are the same as the on the 97SE laserdiscs (apart from codec, bitrate, and possible attenuation of the surrounds)?

Also, was the sound completely/majorly remixed for 2004 DVDs, or is the 2004 mix largely the same as either/both of the 1997 mixes (apart from obvious changes like Emperor, Boba Fett, etc.?)

Harmy's RETURN OF THE JEDI Despecialized Edition HD - V2.5 - AVCHD DVD9 & NTSC DVD5 (Released)

My wife and I just finished re-watching the OT with Deathalo’s tweak of Harmy’s 2.0WP. It’s wonderful, everything I’ve been hoping for since I first watched the (very nice) 1.0 version.

Thank you Harmy, and every unbelievably dedicated fan whose work has helped make this possible. This is definitely my new go-to version of RotJ.

The Mono Mix Restoration Project (Released)

I’ve read through this thread, and I’m unclear on a couple of points. Does anyone know:

  1. What source(s) the latest publicly-available version of the mono mix restoration is derived from?

  2. What version is muxed into the MKV of Harmy’s ANH DeEd 2.5?

I ask because I re-watched that the other day, with the mono mix; it sounded so good, I can’t believe it’s derived from a couple of bootleg VHS tapes!