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#473982
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Idea: a 'Love at First Bite' (1979) Original Theatrical Audio Preservation?
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Hi all,

Is there anyone out there interested in preserving the original theatrical audio from the 1979 film Love at First Bite, or perhaps knows of an existing preservation? From Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_at_First_Bite#Notes ):

For reasons never made quite clear by any of the producers or distributors of this film, the music in one pivotal scene was changed from the original theatrical song of “I Love the Nightlife (Disco Round)” as performed by Alicia Bridges to a cover of another disco-style song (“The Man That I Love”) [???] which causes the mood of the scene to be lost. Oddly enough, even though every release of the film (both VHS and DVD) since 1979 contains the edited music in this scene, the credits were never changed to remove reference to the Alicia Bridges song and give proper acknowledgment for the song that was used.

I have access to the theatrical audio on cassette from when the movie was originally shown in '79 and am willing to make a transfer for whoever is interested-- preferably somebody willing to clean it up some and sync it to the video, as the cassettes themselves are over 30 years old and I have minimal experience doing such a thing. Anybody want to take a stab at this?

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#467797
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Theater Performance Preservations
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none said:

Added 'blitter' 70mm audio recording info. which seems to be what Belbucus worked from.

FWIW, my audio recording is a bootleg transfer of the 35mm version to cassette, straight from the Dolby decoder in '77. I sent a couple of short clips to Belbucus who confirmed it was likely not from the 70mm version. Not sure what he worked from for his restoration work but I don't recall ever sending him the full recording.

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#424529
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J. Williams &amp; LSO, The EMPIRE STRIKES BACK <em>AUDIOPHILE EDITION</em> - Restored &amp; Remastered Score (Released)
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Hi ABC,

I listened to a bit of CD3--the remastered RSO LP--and all I can say is wow. I'm so glad that 7fn was able to provide the master transfers for you to work with. My LP set is in near-mint condition (played maybe twice in its lifetime) but I definitely do not have the capture equipment that 7fn used. In fact the only digital component in my stereo setup is my CD player. :P I couldn't tell from listening that it was sourced from the LP; the remastering is so crisp!

I'd also like to say that this is the first ever recording of Imperial March I've heard where I could distinctly pick out a piano accompaniment to the low strings at the beginning. It's very low but it's there. Again, you've done some amazing work here, thank you!

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#421071
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J. Williams &amp; LSO, The EMPIRE STRIKES BACK <em>AUDIOPHILE EDITION</em> - Restored &amp; Remastered Score (Released)
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JediMasterFisher said:

I really would love to hear this. I really enjoyed the earlier releases :)

Count this as a "me too!" I've been following this thread with interest, seeing as I have the original RSO LP (played maybe three times total) and would love to hear how A B C has cleaned it up and enhanced it. =) The positive feedback from everyone so far has my interest piqued!

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#329795
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Info: [<em>self deleted</em>]
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negative1 said:

so i can string it out, and get 1 reel at a time until its done..

 

or just make a deal for all the rest of them at once,

eat the cost of it, and just get it over with...

 

well what would you do??????

If it were me, and if you can afford it now, I would get them all at once. At least then we know they're all in our hands; fewer points of failure as you mentioned.

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#301572
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Info: MacAddict interview with Matthew Wood of Skywalker Sound
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I was going through my CD’s recently and came across an interview from the disc included with the August 2002 issue of MacAddict magazine. It has an exclusive interview with Matthew Wood of Skywalker Sound, discussing how Macs were used to create the soundtrack for AOTC and TPM. Somewhat technical interview but some interesting behind-the-scenes discussion and footage of the Skywalker facility.

Here’s a summary from the text file that came with it:

Skywalker Sounds

An Exclusive Interview with Star Wars: Episode II’s Supervising Sound Editor, Matthew Wood

By now, you’ve no doubt seen one of this summer’s biggest blockbusters—Star Wars: Episode II—and marveled at the awesome scenery, digital effects wizardry, and computer-generated characters that proliferated throughout the saga. But this spectacular eye candy would be nothing if it weren’t for the amazing sounds that accompanied them. And those sounds wouldn’t even be there if it weren’t for the Mac.

In this month’s video, we got the opportunity to set foot on George Lucas’s legendary Skywalker Ranch, and talk with Skywalker Sound’s Matthew Wood (the supervising sound editor for Episode II) about how Macs played a key role in creating all aspects of the movie’s soundtrack. Find out how Wood snagged his enviable position with the help of his Mac, how Wood and Episode II’s sound designer, Ben Burtt, created the sound effects, see Wood’s revolutionary portable ADR (automated dialog replacement) rig, get a peek inside of Skywalker Sound’s facilities, and even hear a bit of Episode II in Spanish. If you’re curious about how the dialog, foley, music, sound effects, and ADR were incorporated into the final 5.1 THX master mix, Wood tells all.

(You need QuickTime 5 or later to watch this video.)

Did a search for this and I don’t think this has been preserved or included in any fan documentaries-- if it has then please feel free to correct me. If there’s any interest I can zip it up and post it somewhere, it’s 22:18 and 93MB

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#293172
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The Mono Mix Restoration Project (Released)
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I listened to the whole thing as well and I would just like to express my gratitude to you, Belbucus, and to everyone else involved in this restoration. Considering the limited availability of the source material, what you've done and what I heard was nothing short of astounding. I'm hoping that this mix will be eventually synced with the XØ project and made available as an alternate audio mix
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#286443
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1980 Empire RSO 2 LP set (Released)
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Before I open my big mouth again claiming I have something I don't , is this the LP set you're referring to?

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/2298/dscf0154kf5.th.jpg
http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0154kf5.jpg

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/2364/dscf0155ky8.th.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0155ky8.jpg

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/9162/dscf0157ie9.th.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0157ie9.jpg

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/3669/dscf0158bf0.th.jpg
http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0158bf0.jpg

If so, then yes I have a copy of this also. It's only been played a handful of times and even though the album cover is somewhat worn, the records themselves are still in pretty good shape
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#283957
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: Zion

The '93 versions have a different fade out and fade in from the part where 3PO says, "Why I should stick my neck out for you..." to "Thank the Maker!". The fade out beginning at 01:19:28:18 (X0 TC Print time) happens about 30 frames sooner on the SC. Why does this happen? Your guess is as good as mine.


In the film, there is a reel change at that point (the new reel starts with the scene where 3PO says "Thank the Maker!")... not sure if that may have influenced the difference in fade out. Maybe the print master used to create the SC was rough around the edges at the end of that reel, and so the fade was bumped forward to compensate? Just speculation on my part...
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#250366
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: tweaker
I think preserving the matte issue is kinda ridiculous. We're not talking about something that is a result of special effects limitations of the day. You don't see similar issues popping up throughout the film (not that I'm aware of). Somebody screwed up, and the crappy mattes made it into the finished film. As sort of a side thing, I can understand the preserving of the mattes in order to keep that "opening night" feel, but as far as the finished film, no.

What is being preserved here is the original "finished film." Since the "crappy mattes made it into the finished film," they too should be preserved regardless of whether they belong there or not.

If we were talking about fixing that scene where the guy in the storm trooper outfit whacks his head, that would be too much, as it would involve taking drastic measures to fix a real-life scene, something that happened on set and was recorded to film, and kept for the finished movie. The mattes, on the other hand, are the result of somebody in the SFX department being asleep at the wheel.


Where do we draw the line, then? Certainly the jump cuts when Luke turns his lightsaber on/off could have been fixed using 1970's technology, but they were not. Same with the matte lines. I have no doubt there will be a number of projects spawned after the completion of this project that will use the X0 material as its source-- these projects can and should be allowed the freedom to pick and choose what corrections to make-- but IMO as far as initial preservation goes, if it was printed to film, it should stay.
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#250352
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: boris
So what? of course they weren't intended to be obvious, but then again neither was leaving Jabba in ANH on the cutting room floor. Lucas had obviously intended to put it in if he'd shot the scene... going with what was in '77, though, the matte lines and boxes, the orange blob under Luke's speeder were all there.


I agree. We can argue night and day over how the film was "intended" to be seen on opening day, but there is one thing that cannot be argued, and that is how it was shown on opening day. This is what should be preserved... IMO the garbage mattes, orange blob, etc. should stay in.
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#248874
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1977 70mm Soundtrack Strikes Back (Released)
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I've actually had a couple of PMs asking me for my recording in spite of the fact it's most likely the 35mm mix. I went ahead and uploaded them to rapidshare for anyone interested:

http://rapidshare.de/files/34949627/Star_Wars_1977_-_1.flac.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/35302345/Star_Wars_1977_-_2_complete.flac.flac.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/35060670/Star_Wars_1977_-_3.flac.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/35064069/Star_Wars_1977_-_4.flac.html

Again, the recording is in pretty bad shape, don't expect much. If anything it's a good reference as far as content goes-- straight from the film projector.
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#232486
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1977 70mm Soundtrack Strikes Back (Released)
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Wow-- I didn't realize there would be so much interest in these tapes. I was under the impression that the mono mix was the rarest of the three and that these cassettes were worthless. Good thing we kept them around

However, I did want to make sure that I got my facts straight before offering a transfer or maybe even the tapes themselves, just so no one ends up wasting their time on account of some misinformation on my part. I did a bit of online research and fact-checking with both my father and the theatre's other manager at the time and found some more information...

The transfer was done by patching only L and R into a Pioneer cassette deck (not battery powered). The transfer was spread out over multiple sessions since the soundtrack overlaps when a tape flip is made, however the ending credits music is indeed cut off by about 2 minutes or so. The boom tracks were not specifically mixed in but the transfer is pretty bass-y in places (such as certain sound effects and explosions).

I listened to part of the recording done by morgands1 and found some interesting comparisons between my version and his:
- During the shots immediately following Luke's "They're sandpeople all right, I can see one of them now," in the recording you can hear a more defined echo of the cries in the canyon. On my tapes this effect is less pronounced... perhaps the cries were also spread across center and surround channels?
- From SKot in the other 70mm thread:
Right after the Grand Moff Tarkin line that gets cut off, it cuts to the dead Jawa scene... and there is what sounds like a trumpet solo in the soundtrack. It sounded really odd to me, different from what I've heard before, kind of like if someone was playing 'Taps' much too loudly during the scene.
I noticed this as well on the tapes but again, it was less pronounced. Quite possible again that the music was mixed into the center channel.

Here's where everything may very well be a moot point: the theatre in question was the Stuart Theatre in Lincoln NE. My father swears that theatre had to have been equipped for 70mm because according to him, certain films only had so much of the curtains open up to reveal the screen whereas others would open the curtains all the way to reveal the entire screen. The other manager of the theatre claims that only 35mm films were ever shown at that particular theatre. This could mean that the mix I have may in fact not be of the 70mm but instead the 35mm stereo. Mind you, both of these recollections are from 30 years ago, so I can't confirm or deny this as I can't find much information about this theatre online nor is it listed as a theatre where Star Wars was played in 1977 despite its run at the Stuart starting late that year. I saw Episode I at this theatre before it closed down around 2000 and as I recall, the screen was about the same size, maybe only slightly smaller, than the local IMAX cinema near me. Any Lincoln NE natives here to offer input?

Morgands1's recording sounds *much* clearer than my tapes. I think if a transfer were to be made it would be best used as more or less a reference to perhaps recreate a surround mix based on the 35mm mix which we already have. Sort of like de-ANH'ing the film, but applied to the soundtrack?

I've made a transfer from cassette to CD by patching directly into an audio CD burner (best method I can do). I know this is far from the "best" possible transfer but if anyone seriously interested wants a sample to confirm whether or not it would be worth it to transfer the entire soundtrack (the tapes themselves are located in the Chicago area), shoot me a PM with specifics on what you're looking for.
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#231169
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1977 70mm Soundtrack Strikes Back (Released)
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I mentioned this in passing over on the X0 Project thread, but for what it's worth, I've got a transfer of the 70mm audio mix straight to cassette tape. My father was fortunate enough to have been an assistant manager of a theatre in 1977 and ripped the soundtrack directly from the projection equipment, through patch cables into a cassette deck, and onto two dual-sided 60 minute cassettes, which have been stored in plastic cases for the past 25 years.

I don't know how good of a source 25-year-old tape is though... when I played it recently I found it warbles a bit but the line "Blast it Biggs where are you" is indeed there and it seems to be an actual stereo recording (not downmixed to mono/upmixed to stereo). I'm sure someone with a background in audio might be able to do something with it but it definitely needs some work.