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#58669
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Here's a Hint of the Public's Reaction
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Not true. Fox just entered a deal with Criterion which included the release of several 70s art house titles, like Altman's 3 Women. Beyond the Valley of the Dolls is scheduled to be released by Criterion soon in all its X-rated glory. Roger Ebert will be beaming with pride (and likely provide a commentary).


That's encouraging. I wasn't aware Fox had done this

Step 1 is done!
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#57993
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The Criterion thing could work simply because of how expensive the discs are. Figure they'd price them at 39.95 each...and you're talkin almost 200 dollars for the OOT. Factor that in with the numbers who'd buy it (it'd be big consdiering many are upset about the changes and the completists who aren't) and it could be a nice profit. Fox has no deal with Criterion for ANY of their films though...they're quite possesive.

About ROTJ, I must say that it's got much more going for it than any of the prequels. Not only is it the climax, but it is masterfully directed by the late and great Richard Marquand (so sad he didn't get to keep on directing, he was quite talented). The atmosphere is steely and dark on the Empire's ships, and lush with green on Endor. The two styles get to clash wonderfully during the final battle, and this one definitely has the highest production values. Lucas got his hands on the script for this one, but aside from the Ewoks (who are tolerable in my opinion since they did almost kill the heroes and played drums with a stormtropper head...can't say that for the Gungans) Kasdan works his magic again especially in any scene with Luke or Vader.

The prequels have there merits, but they have yet to achieve any sense of timelessness like the OT. Nothing new or exciting is presented in them. Revenge of the Sith could surprise everyone, but let's use the confetti for New Years 2005 just in case.
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#56942
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Here's a Hint of the Public's Reaction
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
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If this is true why are the DVDs breaking sales records


give me some figures jimbo?
what are they at?


I hate to say it, but he's right. The box has been a top seller at places like Amazon.com and DVDEmpire.com ever since its announcement and has even been the top seller at both . This Article Reveals the Massive Response to the Opening of Pre-Orders

No figures are given, but many people have indeed ordered this set and intend to buy it. That also doesn't consider the general public who will pick it up when they see it in stores (and some who will be swayed to the dark side upon seeing the gleaming silver box, restored footage, etc.)

It's nice to see that the discontent does exist outside of this petition though.
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#56601
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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Originally posted by: Galahad_Skywalker
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Originally posted by: alexborn007
I was ok with the McDiarmid change until it became apparent that they changed the dialogue. Too apparent.

This is sad. I understand the continuity thing, but why destroy the creepiness of the scene?!?!?! The original, even in the SE was a chilling scene. Now, it just points out things the Emperor would obviously know since he's in cahootz with Vader. Good bye poignancy.

I was actually tempted to buy the set once I heard the scream had been taken out. That was a nice day...

"Vader: The son of Skywalker must not become a jedi..."


You're not buying it now, though, are you?



Negative

I was close (if the ESB scream was gone, the SE of Empire is pretty harmless) until this change was made so blantantly clear. I'd love for it to be all a funny hoax and we're actually getting the OOT versions in September...yeah...that'd be funny.


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Originally posted by: jimbo
The scream has been taken out. Really I never really disliked this change so I am also neutral towards it being taken out. Still it will appear to those who disliked it so I am happy its gone. I personally like the Emperor change. It does enhance the scene but it is a bit unfair to Clive Revill. I guess this is what this site is for right.


Well, that's cool if you like it. However, I urge you to watch the original scene. The ONLY thing IMO that is added is that rapport between the Emperor and Vader from ROTJ. But seriously...the Emperor is so darn mysterious in the first two films and now he just lays it out with dialogue that is way too wordy. It's perfect how he only fully reveals himself for the final film. I'd be much more comfy with this if they didn't change the dialogue. The Death Star is barely mentioned in ESB...didn't anyone else think that fit the Empire's dictatorship and style of disinformation/deception?

Mr. Revill's dialogue was much more poignant.

"We have a new enemy-- Luke Skywalker."

"We have a new enemy. The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."

If we're watching the films from 1-6, like Lucas wants I'm sure, then this is OBVIOUS! The original line works just fine and is great for pacing and mood (plus, Vader and the Emperor know what he really is...the new scene tries too hard to fool us which is a moot point because we know). And if we've decided to show a n00b the OT, then the name will be MEANINGLESS. They'll have to deduce what's going on. Bad idea for a movie where everything was delivered at the perfect moment.

I like the look, and I like seeing McDiarmid back in action as the Vitamin D deprived Emperor.

But:
A) You can't always get what you want (should be the cardinal rule of film making)
B) It screws over a good actor
C) The new dialogue messes with the pacing and as I said before, mystery of the scene.

Just food for thought

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#56470
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I was ok with the McDiarmid change until it became apparent that they changed the dialogue. Too apparent.

This is sad. I understand the continuity thing, but why destroy the creepiness of the scene?!?!?! The original, even in the SE was a chilling scene. Now, it just points out things the Emperor would obviously know since he's in cahootz with Vader. Good bye poignancy.

I was actually tempted to buy the set once I heard the scream had been taken out. That was a nice day...

"Vader: The son of Skywalker must not become a jedi..."
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#55753
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Bootleg DVDs
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Hey for all you DVD guys...I have an interesting option that could help improve picture quality drastically.

After the video is captured, you could attempt (this would require mammoth HD space) to import the video into an editing program (e.g. Adobe Premiere) and use its color balancing and attempt to sharpen the picture up. I've been able to work some interesting results with my own work and in the hands of an experienced person, could touch up the films nicely. Plus, you'd be able to test the side breaks and get them perfect.

Also, it can export the file as a DVD video file so all you'd need to do is burn the disc. Dunno if this has been covered already, just FYI
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#55274
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Star Wars DVD Covers
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Originally posted by: Rikter
Originally posted by: alexborn007
Hey, could anyone whip up a cover for a 7 Disc DVD set? Sorry if this is a lot to ask... Or Rikter, I remember you saying something about it a while back Anyways, any help would be great!

Thanks a bunch!



Give me ALL the specs man - EVERY thing bitrate - chapter times - run time what is on the extras - are there menus - all of it.

I do have a rather full cargo hold at this time doing covers for others - but get me some spec and give me a few weeks as I'm working on a set for the Magnolia set now .

RiK



Ask and ye shall recieve!!!

Star Wars Trilogy 7-Disc DVD Set:
-All films on two discs with maximum constant bit-rates of 8-9 MB
-Audio Commentary from the Definitive LD
-Dolby Pro-Logic Soundtrack from the 1995 faces set
-Run times are
-Menus w/ play and commentary options
-Supplemental disc with:
- Definitive LD features (can't find the Ben Burtt and Dennis Muren interviews though)
- From Star Wars to Jedi
-Chapter selection for each film
ANH: Disc one: 13 Ch. Disc two: 15 Ch. Chapters
ESB: D1: 19 Ch. D2: 16 Ch.
ROTJ: D1: 16 Ch. D2: 14 Ch.
-Widescreen

Hope this is a good starting point

I'll be happy to help with any more info needed.
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#55011
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Originally posted by: Obi-Wan Spicoli
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
meh... regardless of how many things they fix and dont fix... i keep on remembering that its gonna have all the SE bastardized scenes...
so i guess its not too much to get excited about...

I feel the same way. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter what they change because I won't be buying them anyway. These aren't the films I grew up.

On another note, check out this holographic Emperor action figure that will be offered later this year. Specifically, check out the picture of the front of the card. It's small and hard to make out, but it appears to be very similar to the images we've been seeing. And the fact that Hasbro has chosen to produce a figure representing this specific scene in TESB pretty much confirms the rumors.



"KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!"

Serious Orwellian nightmare going on here...
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#54915
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Originals not lost
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
plus how long do you think those VHS tapes will last...
not forever!

I have 2 different sets of the OT on VHS myself and both are starting to show wear and tear...
so give it about 10 more years and its almost safe to say that no one will have a nice looking copy on VHS....



Every VHS copy I have is on its way down the drain. Fast. The newest release is almost ten years old. Like a previous poster said, for a B-Movie yes, but not for Star Wars. The lack of regard to all of the things that make the theatrical versions unique outside of this board is deplorable. For films so strong, every version should be available from the theatrical versions (I'm exlcuding the incidentals like the Pre-ANH) to whatever concoction Lucas whips up in the coming years.

"It's not good business!"
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#54674
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
We all know why he's thiner: so he could fit on that pre-determined space.



LOL.

The SE Jabba seriously bothers me because he looks so unlike the ROTJ version. I always saw Jabba as this immobile, hideous gangster who moved seldom and with much effort when he did. He's also very nice in ANH. There's obviously some comraderie between Solo and Hutt, but honestly...is this guy a ruthless gangster by just calling people "my boy"? It also does not help that not much effort was put into it by the ILM team if the stories are true (hmmm I wonder why they'd not want to work on a project like this ).

The whole thing is a mess. Touch ups are one thing, but I can imagine it'd be hard enough to create Jabba if the actor hadn't been there. And for what it's worth, the TPM Jabba looked kinda weak. He's a puppet creation, and darn it he should stay one. Watch From Star Wars to Jedi and you'll see those pupetteers had PERSONALITY. They all gave some kind of life to him. The smoking guy, the tail waggler ("Backward and forward, backward and forward..."), etc. A CG Jabba is a bunch of wires.
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#54543
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A Cover for the 7 DVD Set?
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Hey all,

Just wondering if anyone has customized one of the great looking covers for the DVDs to accomodate the seven disc set floating around. I've tried, but still keep coming up short on decent versions (even tried my own hand at it and no luck)...if there are any out there, or there is someone willing to create one, I'd appriciate it!!! Sorry for the tall order, but the cover art I currently have was kinda damaged in a recent move

Thanks again for any help
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#54467
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Laser Discs
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The 7 disc DVD set floating around uses those as the masters. They look pretty decent actually. The brightness is up too high, but if you lower it, the picture is actually really good. I have a 27" HDTV and it's more than enjoyable on it. I think the supplement disc is cut short, but it's a great mix of the definitive collection's features and the 1995 release's fidelity.

EDIT: The author uses a set which has some kind of line on the screen during the Mynock scene in ESB. Other than that, no other anomalies exist to my knowledge.
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#54423
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My take on anything from digitalbits or aintitcool is that it's a wonderful advertisement for whichever DVD mentioned (right or wrong) . This is THE most anticipated DVD release ever. Period. People are getting excited and are sparking these fires of news bits and supposed changes. Personally, you cannot change the Sebatian Shaw scenes unless you do both. Lucas being a continuity freak has to know this. The nonsense about a jedi's soul just doesn't sound right (and if it is, I'll buy four more bootleg DVD sets).

Even though the digitalbits.com has the info, Lucasfilm hasn't said a thing. I know that the digitalbits is pretty reliable, but anyone here will agree with me...if there's a release they are shooting in the dark about in terms of news, it's this one. Lucasfilm is too busy restoring these classics to be meddling with stuff like that or confirming/debunking every rumor. The big set Lucas wants to do after Episode III will probably have all these changes (or variations of them). This release is for the public because we want it so bad. The SE's took about two years to make, and changes on the scale of the Hayden and Emperor thing were in them. The DVD's were announced in early 2004, so they couldn't have been working on them for too long before that. The time tables work in favor of the release being nearly unchanged. It's all speculation though until Lucasfilm says a word. I could be completely off my rocker and they've done even more than people think. If anyone has a time machine I'd use it because that's the only way we could ever know for sure hehe

Anyway, enough rambling on my part, I anxiously awat the 9/21 release date and finding out 100% for sure what was changed (or a nice press release from Lucasfilm in a few weeks going over the changes...that'd let me know how guilty I'd feel when buying the set).
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#54374
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Originally posted by: Luke30
alexborn007 I know you answered this once before but how has ben burrt re-master the sound for the star wars trilogy on dvd?


Well, as mentioned, nothing official has been said. Just tid bits from Lucasfilm reps. But it seems as though they are basically going back to the oldest of the old and remastering it. The SE's seemed to have been rushed a bit in the sound department so the films (ANH especially) is being broken down almost sound by sound through the original stems. Which, if memory serves, are essentially the individual tracks of those sound spikes you'd see on the side of film (so seperate SFX, dialogue and music tracks). What I don't know and am not well aversed enough to tell you is if this means actually going back to ORIGINAL mag track (the tape used to record audio and then mixed into the film) or just returning to an older print and doing a step by step tune up.

It would seem like they are doing something really intense though as the film's quality has degenerated considerably. Plus, the best any of them were ever mastered for was LD and its resolution leaves a lot to be desired these days. Hope this helps you, but all I've heard is the comment about the sound stems (which is exciting nonetheless). Expect a mammoth and beautiful remaster though. Burtt is no schlub
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#54364
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Originally posted by: Luke30
Does anyone know what changes (at lease for right now) are being made for the star wars trilogy on dvd?


As far as I know, nothing has been confirmed. All that's been said is "there will be changes". My guess is we won't know anything 100% until 9/21 or some enterprising individual puts them on the internet.
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#54257
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Unfortunitly the Hayden head thing is definutly real. As for looks scream no he didn't have to but it is really nothing to complain about. I am completly neutral toward this change. The wampa is a great change that improves the scene so much.


I'm just a sucker for "less is more". That sums up a lot about Star Wars in general right now. So little is left to the imagination anymore. The prequels are notorious for this IMO, but that's not for this thread.

And even though the Hayden thing seems so definite, I'm gonna wait until 9/21 to say who's right