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#168133
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"If your going to add a part where he talks about giving his lightsaber to his son. I think it would have to go like this[I wrote this a while ago]:

The dream Anakin wakes up rest of the events up to Hayden saying "It's just a dream"

Anakin walks over to where his lightsaber is
Anakin: I want him to have this. I want him to become a Jedi.
Padme: Him? Why do you think it's a boy?
Anakin: He was in my dream.
Padme: Now how could that be a bad dream?
Anakin: There was something else ... You die in childbirth. [rest of scene plays out]
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That would work in some sense...except that I don't think Anakin was expecting to die...or join the darkside, or be away from his child in any sense. It might make more sense if he said that he wanted his son to be a Jedi or something...but that wouldn't really be lightsaber-specific. I think the best and easiest way to take care of that is to just do what I did and replace "Your father" with "I". And when you think about it, it makes a lot more sense. Little things like this are what makes the saga feel more consistent and complete, just like Battlewars said.

I was also thinking of another picky idea to put on my site, and I wanna get some feedback on it first. In ANH Han Solo says, "I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money." What if...we reversed those two lines? I think it would make a lot more sense and go much better with the conversation. Check it out:

HAN: I'm not in this for your revolution and I'm not it for you, princess. I'm in it for the money and I expect to be well paid.

LEIA: If money is all that you love, then that's what you'll receive.

I think it works pretty well...any thoughts?
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#168064
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"i know he had to lie but about everything? lucas made a mistake by not adding a scene in the prequels where anakin asks obi wan to give his lightsaber to his son if anything happens to him
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Lucas should go back and film a scene like that in ROTS during the part when he's flying the burning ship
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That would be impossible...I mean what's he going to tell him?

ANAKIN: Now we're really picking up speed! By the way, since we're gonna die anyway, I better tell you something master. I'm secretly married to Padme, and we've had sex so many times that its impossible for her NOT to be pregnant, so if we crash and I die but you don't somehow, could you please give my lightsaber to my child when he/she grows up?

OBI-WAN: WTF?!?!

PALPATINE: Damn bro, you're even more twisted than I am!

ARTOO: Beeep bep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep?!?!

"In ESB Tarkin is dead, and Vader isn't humaniod anymore (in ANH he still was 50% man, 50% machine, in ESB, it was just a heartless cyborg)."

Actually he didn't change at all between ANH and ESB. All that changed was that he was given the command of a starship of his own. But his body/mind did not change the slightest.

"About your changes, I think you should better make the PT fit the OT, and not the other way around, because thats the same mistake GL made, is to make the OT fit the PT, and not vica-versa."

Actually, that is exactly what I was trying to do. If you look at my PT changes, especially ROTS, you'll see a lot of things that, in my opinion, make the tie between the OT and PT 10 times better than the way Lucas has it.
Another thing you have to realize is this: what is the PT? Just a bunch of fancy computer graphics put togethter and called a trilogy. The OT on the other hand, has a lot less of this and a lot more humanity. Adding CGI to a movie after it's already made is easy. Adding humanity to a movie after it's already made is hard, and in some cases, impossible. That's why to establish saga continuity, a lot of changes are going to have to be done to the OT, whereas the changes done to the PT aren't for continuity, but to improve the quality of the movies themselves.

"AOTC was incredibly close to being the greatest Star Wars film ever
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Almost as close as Paul W. S. Anderson and Uwe Boll are to being directors...
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Believe me it was. This movie had THE MOST potential of being, not just the best SW movie, but the best movie of all time if it had been done properly. It was supposed to be a LOVE STORY in the Star Wars universe, you can't beat that...and they screwed it up...big time. And like I said, it's at the bottom of my list of favorites. What a shame

"By the way, as far as reediting prequels goes, the first and most important change is eliminating any trace of Wooden Christensen. Everything else is secondary."

I really wish that were possible...but I think we should also give the guy a break because he's had so much criticism over his performance in AOTC...if it wasn't for his improved performance in ROTS, I think his career as an actor would have been finished. I think it's all the director's fault anyway...an actor is a director's tool, and you can't hit the nail on the head if you can't aim the hammer.
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#168008
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Hmmm, that would actually work well. We maybe could delete the entire TIE attack sequence, and cut from Luke being sad about Obi-Wan's death to the Falcon approaching Yavin IV.

I agree that it would actually work well, unfortunately not many people are ready to part with the TIE attack sequence, myself included. The TIE attack sequence, just like the droid factory sequence in AOTC, serves absolutely no purpose in the story; it's just for show. Nevertheless, it's what made Star Wars Star Wars. I tried my very best with the site to keep the original Star Wars as much as possible, while at the same time integrating some other saga elements...this way the purists would be happy (apparently not judging by the polls) and the prequel lovers would also be happy because the saga is a little more consistent.

Originally posted by: Scruffy
Firefox decided to crash and take over half my reply with it. So here's my attempt at rewriting the whole #$%#@ thing. I'm sure I forgot some of it, but that's what I get for not planning on my web browser crashing while it's not even doing anything.

No offense, but I had to vote "It sucks." Just looking at the beginning of the ANH page, you're doing the same thing Lucas is infamous for -- flattening out character arcs for the sake of "consistency." Vader should emphatically not act the same way in ANH as he does in ESB. ANH was a life-changing experience for him; as the ESB crawl tells us, he's a man possessed. Before, he was just a man doing a job for a boss he didn't like in a universe that didn't like him. Afterwards, he has a new hope, he's reevaluating everything he's believed about his family and his boss for 20 years, he's planning a coup.

It was also a big career boost. Vader was definitely subordinate to Grand Moff Tarkin; we see Tarkin is already an Imperial officer in RotS when Vader is still learning how to feed himself and crying into his pillow each night. Tarkin's been around longer, is more politically astute, and Palpatine probably considers him more trustworthy. With Tarkin's death, Vader went up in the Emperor's eyes for two reasons. First, there is one less competitor for the Emperor's attention. Second, Vader had shown tactical judgment that Tarkin (and Tagge, Yularen, etc.) lacked. His decision to ignore Tarkin's hubris and personally lead DS-61 into battle nearly saved the Death Star, and if Vader had been in command, the Death Star would've survived. That gave Vader all the justification he needed to lobby for command of Death Squadron, under the pretext that he would use it to hunt down and destroy the Rebellion.

I also see nothing wrong with Vader getting guff from Admiral Motti (or was that Tagge?) in the conference room. He's a flag officer, so he's probably been part of the military establishment longer than "Darth Vader" has, and has no idea who this guy is. Just some nut in a life-support suit who is one of many Imperial military advisors. Maybe a loyal Jedi who wasn't killed in the Purge. Motti remembers the Jedi as some kind of crazy cult that tried to take over the Republic but fell before the might of technology and military discipline. In Motti's mind, the power of the Force really is insignificant compared to technological terrors. He needs to voice that, both to establish the elite's opinion of Force-users in the ANH era and to put Vader in his place for the audience.

To wit, I saw Vader's fall and it was disappointing. I've also seen Vader's rise and I like it. Given the choice, I would keep it.


You mention some very good points there, Scruffy. The only part I didn't like was "No offense, but I had to vote "It sucks." c'mon man, it couldn't be that bad! Especially some of the prequel changes...oh well...anyways back to our discussion...

Here's the way I see it: Vader's been around for 18+ years doing nothing but killing Jedi and terrorizing the galaxy. He, next to the Emperor, is the symbol of fear and power in the galaxy. Him being a Sith also helps in this case. When Lucas was making Star Wars in the 70's, I doubt he even had the slightest clue as to what a Sith is and how they should act. This changed of course over time.

Now, when a person with that much power and respect hears a phrase like, "Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerous ways Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion..." it would be like...WHAT?! He's dissing his religion and what he believes in, not to mention something that is PROVEN to be the greatest power in the galaxy?! If that were me, I'd kick his ass all the way to the Bahamas. In ESB, the two officers that made bad judgements and tactical mistakes were intantly KILLED by Vader, but a mistake is not made with the intention of being malicious. Admiral Motti openly insulted him and degraded him in front of the other officers...which, if he were the ESB Vader, would have led to a fate much worse than death...

To add to the effect, Tarkin tells him, "Vader, release him!", like he's saying, "Sparky, down boy!" WHAT?! Talking to a Sith like that?? Also Leia's line, "I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash", adds even more to the effect by making it seem like that was Tarkin's reputation throughout the galaxy.

I agree that Tarkin should have a lot of authority, but not more than Vader.
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#167597
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"Also, I just glanced at your AotC changes and noticed the thing about more footage with Anakin's two sabers. There was more that was cut, but there was also footage of Dooku using two sabers against Yoda that was cut as well (thought you'd like to know). "

Yeah I know about those scenes. I saw all the cut scenes on T'bone's site, but decided that Dooku is more of a single-saber, singe-blade fan. I think as an aristocrat, he sees anything other than a single sword as uncivilized. I also think I read this somewhere, maybe the novelization, but I can't remember.

Adamwankenobi, still awaiting your post dude...
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#167213
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Knolly, you may be interested to know that I've updated the site with the idea that you gave me. I modified it a bit to be less drastic, but it's close. I seriously never would have thought of it if it wasn't for you, so thanx This will be mentioned on the site shortly...

"OK, I'll comment at TF.N on which are great, and on which do not make sense to me."

I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts...the good and the bad...
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#167195
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"I ran across that site a while back, after a link from TF.N. Most of the changes are things I would LOVE to see made, but some of them just make me say "WTF?"

I would love to know which ones those are cuz at this point I'm getting very little feedback. When you have time, email me and tell me about them, or since you're a member of TF.N, post them there for a nice discussion. The more feedback I get, the more I'll be able to improve the list to eliminate any stupid changes or add things that I've never thought of...
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#167189
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"Old Ben was just up to his tricks with varying point of view. You may want to rethink some of your material on this site of yours because most everyone on here won't accept any changes in the OOT."

Hmm, think about it...Ben would have no reason to lie to Luke about something like that. He wouldn't gain anything by telling him that it was his father that had wanted it as opposed to telling him that HE wanted it...which I think is the truth in this case since he feels that Luke's the only hope for the Jedi. Also, at this point, Obi-Wan hadn't told a lie to Luke yet, he only starts lying to him when he asks him about how his father died...which is obvious because he looks nervous and break eye-contact with Luke while saying it. So IMO, he has no reason to lie, so why do it when it's unnecesarry? ...it's debatable though...

And believe me, I rethought the material on my site many times...otherwise I wouldn't have posted it

"May I recommend a better approach to the Grievous problem?
Have him walking tall and powerful, ala Clone Wars, at the beginning. Then, have Anakin take Dooku's red saber after the battle. At one point in the bridge battle, in which we could hopefully have some Grievous dueling Obi-Wan and Anakin, Anakin gets pushed away, and finally, just ignites Dooku's saber and throws it like a spear and hits Grievous in the chest. Grievous collapses and starts coughing while he hits the deactivate button (Basically, this just removes the need to see the last ep of Clone Wars to know why Grievous coughes). Grievous could ignite the saber and throw it out the window, then maybe grab it in space and then use it against Obi-Wan on Utapau.
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Nice... I am seriously going to think about adding your idea to the site...good job.... BTW if u have more ideas like this, use my email or the other thread that I mentioned...it keeps things organized and makes my job easier. Great idea though...
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#167177
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The changes you refer to are designed strictly for better saga continuity. Vader's character is very inconsistent in ANH with regards to the other movies, thus the changes to Tarkin's lines and some of Vader's actions. The droid one is just to improve the image to not feel so 70's, again to make the graphics in the saga more or less consistent.
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#167170
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Hi, I’m one of those people who’s had enough of Lucas’s constant changes to the movies, Greedo shooting first, etc. and have recently created a site called Master Edition. At first glance, this site looks like it creates even more things that Lucas should change…which it does, but if you look closer, you’ll notice that a lot of the changes actually UNDO some of the changes he did to the Special Editions, along with fixing up plot holes, crappy graphics, inconsistent dialogue, etc. to make all the movies flow as one big saga, while at the same time making each movie appear to stand on its own two feet better. Most of the changes I’ve proposed are to the prequels, while the changes to the originals are pretty modest. Either way, I think it’s worth checking out.

Ultimately, my dream is that Master Edition be released along with the original theatrical versions of each film in a 12-disc boxed set. This way people could watch what they want, when they want, and a lot of people would be very happy. Best of all, a version like this would mean a guarantee of no more future changes, which is what a lot of people are looking for.