Hmmm, that would actually work well. We maybe could delete the entire TIE attack sequence, and cut from Luke being sad about Obi-Wan's death to the Falcon approaching Yavin IV.
I agree that it would actually work well, unfortunately not many people are ready to part with the TIE attack sequence, myself included. The TIE attack sequence, just like the droid factory sequence in AOTC, serves absolutely no purpose in the story; it's just for show. Nevertheless, it's what made Star Wars Star Wars. I tried my very best with the site to keep the original Star Wars as much as possible, while at the same time integrating some other saga elements...this way the purists would be happy (apparently not judging by the polls) and the prequel lovers would also be happy because the saga is a little more consistent.
Originally posted by: Scruffy
Firefox decided to crash and take over half my reply with it. So here's my attempt at rewriting the whole #$%#@ thing. I'm sure I forgot some of it, but that's what I get for not planning on my web browser crashing while it's not even doing anything.
No offense, but I had to vote "It sucks." Just looking at the beginning of the ANH page, you're doing the same thing Lucas is infamous for -- flattening out character arcs for the sake of "consistency." Vader should emphatically not act the same way in ANH as he does in ESB. ANH was a life-changing experience for him; as the ESB crawl tells us, he's a man possessed. Before, he was just a man doing a job for a boss he didn't like in a universe that didn't like him. Afterwards, he has a new hope, he's reevaluating everything he's believed about his family and his boss for 20 years, he's planning a coup.
It was also a big career boost. Vader was definitely subordinate to Grand Moff Tarkin; we see Tarkin is already an Imperial officer in RotS when Vader is still learning how to feed himself and crying into his pillow each night. Tarkin's been around longer, is more politically astute, and Palpatine probably considers him more trustworthy. With Tarkin's death, Vader went up in the Emperor's eyes for two reasons. First, there is one less competitor for the Emperor's attention. Second, Vader had shown tactical judgment that Tarkin (and Tagge, Yularen, etc.) lacked. His decision to ignore Tarkin's hubris and personally lead DS-61 into battle nearly saved the Death Star, and if Vader had been in command, the Death Star would've survived. That gave Vader all the justification he needed to lobby for command of Death Squadron, under the pretext that he would use it to hunt down and destroy the Rebellion.
I also see nothing wrong with Vader getting guff from Admiral Motti (or was that Tagge?) in the conference room. He's a flag officer, so he's probably been part of the military establishment longer than "Darth Vader" has, and has no idea who this guy is. Just some nut in a life-support suit who is one of many Imperial military advisors. Maybe a loyal Jedi who wasn't killed in the Purge. Motti remembers the Jedi as some kind of crazy cult that tried to take over the Republic but fell before the might of technology and military discipline. In Motti's mind, the power of the Force really is insignificant compared to technological terrors. He needs to voice that, both to establish the elite's opinion of Force-users in the ANH era and to put Vader in his place for the audience.
To wit, I saw Vader's fall and it was disappointing. I've also seen Vader's rise and I like it. Given the choice, I would keep it.
You mention some very good points there, Scruffy. The only part I didn't like was "No offense, but I had to vote "It sucks."
c'mon man, it couldn't be that bad! Especially some of the prequel changes...oh well...anyways back to our discussion...
Here's the way I see it: Vader's been around for 18+ years doing nothing but killing Jedi and terrorizing the galaxy. He, next to the Emperor, is the symbol of fear and power in the galaxy. Him being a Sith also helps in this case. When Lucas was making Star Wars in the 70's, I doubt he even had the slightest clue as to what a Sith is and how they should act. This changed of course over time.
Now, when a person with that much power and respect hears a phrase like, "Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerous ways Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion..." it would be like...WHAT?! He's dissing his religion and what he believes in, not to mention something that is PROVEN to be the greatest power in the galaxy?! If that were me, I'd kick his ass all the way to the Bahamas. In ESB, the two officers that made bad judgements and tactical mistakes were intantly KILLED by Vader, but a mistake is not made with the intention of being malicious. Admiral Motti openly insulted him and degraded him in front of the other officers...which, if he were the ESB Vader, would have led to a fate much worse than death...
To add to the effect, Tarkin tells him, "Vader, release him!", like he's saying, "Sparky, down boy!" WHAT?! Talking to a Sith like that?? Also Leia's line, "I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash", adds even more to the effect by making it seem like that was Tarkin's reputation throughout the galaxy.
I agree that Tarkin should have a lot of authority, but not more than Vader.