ZkinandBonez

Tobar said:

Highly recommend anyone interested to check out the panel. Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni LOVE Star Wars and have put their hearts and souls into it.

Not only that, one of Favreau’s goals was to try to appeal to every kind of Star Wars fan so he’s put in as much stuff from the last 40 years of Star Wars into it as he could. He specifically called out that he’s recanonized a ton of EU material in the series.

My personal favorite thing that I’ve seen so far from the series are the Blurrgs which originally appeared in the Ewok movie Battle For Endor! But there’s so much more in there.

It also had a callback to Boba Fett’s first apperance in the Holiday Special cartoon;

Favreau posted a photo a while back with the sound-fork thing, but the sizzle reel showed “The Mandalorian” riding a Dewback in a similar pose to the cartoon.

Darth Muffy said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Darth Muffy said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Someone uploaded footage of the sizzle reel on YouTube. Not going to post a link, and it probably won’t be up for long, but it does look amazing. Has a very Rogue One feel to it, but with a clear Sergio Leone Western feel added to it as well. Hopefully they’ll officially upload the video soon, but I’m guessing they’re waiting for the Ep. IX hype to die down a bit first.

Also dont forget the leaked trailer from Jeremy at Geeks + Gamers aka The StarWars Toxic fandom who looked like a ghost after when he relised hes going to get into serious trouble for streaming it 😆

How’d he get a hold of a trailer? I though the conventions only showed sizzle reels, set photos, etc.

Also, you’d think a relatively well know YouTuber would have more common sense than that.

EDIT: Just looked up his YT page. Its so strange to me when someone who’s so negative towards the new SW still bothers to spend time and money going to Star Wars Celebration and even uploads footage from all the panels (incl. Ep.IX).

Hes since removed the 30min video of the trailer and him looking a little worried but I got a sneaky suspicion it was downloaded before being removed and might show up on the spleen 😉

Some of his highlights on his channel from the celebration are Kathleen Kennedy Suddenly has a plan & also Interview - Trump Supporter at StarWars Celebration. Seriously the guys a joke.

It’s too bad that YT is structured in such a way that hyperbole and clickbait tends to get the most views. There’s only a very small handful of SW YouTubers that I can take seriously.

Darth Muffy said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Someone uploaded footage of the sizzle reel on YouTube. Not going to post a link, and it probably won’t be up for long, but it does look amazing. Has a very Rogue One feel to it, but with a clear Sergio Leone Western feel added to it as well. Hopefully they’ll officially upload the video soon, but I’m guessing they’re waiting for the Ep. IX hype to die down a bit first.

Also dont forget the leaked trailer from Jeremy at Geeks + Gamers aka The StarWars Toxic fandom who looked like a ghost after when he relised hes going to get into serious trouble for streaming it 😆

How’d he get a hold of a trailer? I though the conventions only showed sizzle reels, set photos, etc. Also, you’d think a relatively well know YouTuber would have more common sense than that.

EDIT: Just looked up his YT page. Its so strange to me when someone who’s so negative towards the new SW still bothers to spend time and money going to Star Wars Celebration and even uploads footage from all the panels (incl. Ep.IX).

Someone uploaded footage of the sizzle reel on YouTube. Not going to post a link, and it probably won’t be up for long, but it does look amazing. Has a very Rogue One feel to it, but with a clear Sergio Leone Western feel added to it as well. Hopefully they’ll officially upload the video soon, but I’m guessing they’re waiting for the Ep. IX hype to die down a bit first.

Critic & Fan Reactions from 1980 - STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - HelloGreedo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MOA6aHx5mg

EC Henry: speculations on Palpatine in ep. IX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBELV0uxyo8

This is pretty much how I hope they end up using Palpatine in the film. It would be a lot more powerful than simply bringing him back to life, it could potentially add a lot of Rey’s development, and it would be a genuinely god way to bring all three trilogies together n a thoughtful manner.

joefavs said:

Matt.F said:

Speculation…

Shmi “There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him. I can’t explain what happened.”

Palpatine using abilities “some consider to be unnatural” conjured this child of the force within Shmi (a random slave of no importance). Palpatine is secretly Anakin Skywalker’s father (and acts like it throughout the PT).

Palpatine - having survived his fall down the Death Star chasm (much like Luke survived the Cloud City chasm - it rhymes!) used those same abilities to create Rey, again within a random junker of no importance. Palpatine is Rey father, she’s of the same line.

Seems at least possible?

Rey would have only been conceived a decade or so after the Battle of Endor. I think it’s more likely that Palpatine won’t literally appear but rather that our heroes will be dealing with some kind of contingency plan he set up before he died. After all, the books and comics have been dropping breadcrumbs to that effect since Shattered Empire and the Aftermath trilogy.

It could simply by a cameo by McDiarmid as one of the sentinel droids; https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sentinel_(Contingency)

Though if they end up visiting the wreck of the DS2 I think some kind of Force Vision makes the most sense.

Matt.F said:

I agree, it might not be Palpatine in physical form… but we haven’t yet seen the Sith equivalent of a Force Ghost have we?

A Sith Wraith perhaps? (SW has never been shy pinching bits and bobs from other mythology and that would be rather Sauron like).

The only canon appearance of a Dark Side Force “Ghost”, to my knowledge, was in the Clone Wars series. And that wasn’t really a proper Force Ghost, but more of an after-image in the Force.

So far the new canon has been avoiding Dark Side Force Ghosts, but they could probably change the already pretty vague rules if Abrams wants a proper Force Ghost.

pleasehello said:

ZkinandBonez said:

pleasehello said:

Guess who’s back!

Since they’re apparently going to visit the wreck of the DS2…

Where did you get that tidbit?

Isn’t it in the trailer?

The shot at 1:37.

It looks like the DS poking out of an ocean. They were planning something similar for TFA, so I figured they’d simply reused the idea.

pleasehello said:

Guess who’s back!

Since they’re apparently going to visit the wreck of the DS2, I’m guessing Palpatine might appear as either a Force Ghost, or more likely, as some kind of Force Vision. Might be similar to the Thrawn trilogy where the death of the Emperor left behind an imprint in the Force.

Or Lucasfilm could just be messing with us in the trailer. Wouldn’t technically be the first time.

“New York, NY—March 15, 2019 — In celebration of Marvel’s 80th Anniversary, Marvel is releasing a special Facsimile edition of the 1977 STAR WARS #50! Coinciding directly with May’s upcoming STAR WARS #108 one-shot.”

https://www.cbr.com/marvel-aniversary-star-wars-50-facsimile/

DominicCobb said:

eBay has been kind to me. Recently purchased issues 3, 5, 6, 9, 18, and 49 all for a decent price (my collection beforehand was just 8, 12, 15, and 24).

Oh and also I got an original number 1.

Neat. I’ve been trying to get some of the movie adaptation issues myself, but they’re always a bit out of my price range (at least as far as what I’m willing to spend on single issues).

I’ve occasionally used eBay to find some of the more obscure comics I’m after (and gotten lucky a few times), but I try avoid it as I enjoy visiting comic shops whenever I’m abroad.

Are you collecting any specific issues, story-arcs, etc. or just grabbing any orig. Marvel SW you can get your hands on?

Managed to get another issue of Star Wars Weekly during my last day in the UK.

I bought the other 2/3 of the “Princess Alone” story last year, and finally got to “complete” the story.

I’ve always really liked this story. Not only was it nice to the Leia do a “solo” mission for a change, but it was interesting to get to see the more “Orwellian” aspects of the Empire, especially in a story so early on in SW history. In many ways it’s a lot darker than most of what followed in the EU later on.

SilverWook said:

I found a bunch of those SW weekly issues here in the states back in the late 80’s at a curio shop that sold everything from antiques to old magazines. Many of the pages had been colored in by someone with magic markers, much to my annoyance.

I can imagine that would be quite tempting to do as a kid. I did something similar to an illustrated book when I was like five years old. However, it actually turned out really well. I’m guessing you weren’t so lucky?

My latest haul of classic SW.
I’m in London so I went back to 30th Century Comics where I got some more Star Wars Weekly magazines last year. I’ve been trying to get some of the UK exclusive stories, but they didn’t have any this time so I picked the three which I felt had the most impressive covers. I’ve always really liked the SWW #92 cover (I even photoshopped a text-less version of it and a few others a while back.)

This time I also got some American SW comics (in addition to plenty of non-SW comics). And even though I generally only collects issues from the Goodwin/Infantino run, I figured I’d make an exception for ‘Riders in the Void’ because of the amazing art (and since it’s a standalone story). Ditto on the ESB Weekly issue, though Infantino did the cover (Al Williamson’s art also looks great in B&W).

IG-88 voiced by Taika Waititi could turn out to be pretty interesting.

I wonder if they’re making IG-88 into a more sinister version of K2-SO, or if this is more like how Marton Csokas voiced Poggle in AOTC (so basically just a cameo).

SilverWook said:

I didn’t realize until watching the TPM extras again that this is taking place right outside Senator Palpatine’s apartment! I always thought they were meeting at some other location where they were not likely to be seen or noticed. You can even see in the documentary that it’s part of the apartment set.

Either the building Palpatine lives in is really empty, or the neighbors take no notice of him skulking around in a black robe and being visited by creepy characters. Meanwhile, Chancellor Valorum probably can’t go out for coffee without baseless charges of corruption being lobbed at him.

I can almost buy that Chancellor Palpatine has time to sneak off to a broom closet or something to put the robe on and give orders to his minions via hologram, but this is pushing it. 😛

It is a bit silly, but Palpatine was only the senator of a fairly unimportant planet at this point, so I guess it kind of make sense.

Though the idea of Maul just striding through the front door of a high class apartment building is kind of amusing. I’m guessing he snuck past the guard, or something.

Zachary VIII said:

Spoilers for the canon Darth Vader comic series:

The clone biochips in canon are dumb. I’ve just read the Darth Vader comic and in it a Jedi uses Order 66 to make a clone squad turn on their Inquisitor leaders because they’re technically still in the list of Jedi. He just says “execute Order 66” and the clones start gunning down the Inquisitors. What the hell is that? Why is “Order 66” a magic spell that anyone can use now instead of only the Chancellor himself?

I’d assume because he (and probably Vader) were the only ones to know about the triggering phrase at that point. Most of the Jedi who heard it ended up dead, and Palpatine did end up replacing (most) clone troopers with recruits during the first couple of years of the Empire anyway.

I also can’t recall it ever being stated that the order had to come from Palaptine himself, which wouldn’t have made any sense as the Kaminoan’s didn’t know about Palpatine. I can’t remember the details, but a few high ranking Kaminoans were told it was a safeguard against rogue Jedi ordered by Sifo Dyas and Tyrannus/Dooku.

And the whole inhibitor chips thing did fail briefly during a Clone Wars arc, so it was never a foolproof method to begin with (probably because of all the secrecy around it). Basically the chips made them suddenly hate all Jedi, and since Sith and Inquisitor’s weren’t a thing when they were programmed into their brains, it makes sense that it’d give them an urge to kill anyone associated with the concept of “Jedi” in a generalized manner.

(Anyway, as with most PT/CW era ideas, it gets rather convoluted.)

SilverWook said:

I think all those Imperials died when the station they were on blew up, so Vader didn’t get to throttle any of them.

At least he got to mind-trick one of them to wander out an airlock.

RogueLeader said:

ZkinandBonez said:

DominicCobb said:

Well I’m fairness I don’t believe The Mandolorian would qualify as ST era.

True, but I feel like it’s going to “set-up” the First Order and other ST-lore at least in some ways.

This is a cool thing about the Mandalorian. I’ve heard a lot of people say it would’ve been cool if the First Order had been like anti-rebels, with limited equipment and resources. That would be cool to see. Something like a scrappy Imperial Remnant, and I think we could still get that in the Mandalorian, and stories like it that are set in this time period.

While the official Galactic Empire surrendered and the war is technically over, there could be a few straggling warlords holding onto control of a handful of far flung star systems. It seems the titular character in the Mandalorian will run into some kind of Imperial faction. Their exact identity is still a bit of a mystery, but this is what I’m hoping for. According the new canon the Empire was officially defeated one year after the Battle of Endor, but according to Jon Favreau this is a few years after that (like 2-3?), so that means the Empire still exists in some form (possibly as the proto-First Order or some other remnant faction like I mentioned earlier).

It could be reminiscent to the old EU, but these Imperial Remnants are more concerned with maintaining control over what little power they have left, rather than trying to take on the New Republic constantly. You could even have a new series like the Rogue Squadron novels that are about small New Republic units trying to liberate handfuls of systems from Imperial control.

I think it would be a nice middle ground between the old EU and the new canon. And if most of the Remnants they have dealt with over the years had been very minor threats on the galactic scale, it would help explain why they didn’t immediately perceive the First Order as a threat, thinking it was just another warlord faction barely surviving on the edge of known space.

This is exactly what I’ve been hoping for as well.

I’m a big fan of the post-Endor/Imperial-Remnant era in Legends, so it’d be really interesting if something similar were to show up in an actual SW TV show.

RogueLeader said:

I think on the surface the OT and ST are similar, but given time for the canon to explore that time period (which they have been avoiding as to give as much creative freedom to the filmmakers as possible), these the two era can potentially feel quite distinct.

I think the political situation in the buildup to the war can be grounds for a very compelling story about politics and espionage. The show Resistance does get into that a bit. Spies within the Senate, and unknown threat in uncharted space.

I think this new war has a lot of potential to set itself apart from the Galactic Civil War as well. The Resistance can literally fit on the Falcon, even the Rebellion was better off in its worst condition. How will they recruit help? How will they actually fight the First Order? Will they use even more dirty, guerrilla tactics rather than open battles like the Rebellion did?

The First Order are invaders rather than the de facto government, how will they treat their citizens and the Resistance compared to the Old Empire? Will they be more radical? More aggressive? You also have the dynamic between the old guard and the new, the Imperials vets vs the First Order generation and how they perceive each other.

And for me, one of the most interesting things is the fact that the leaders on both sides are in fact mother and son. The family drama has manifested into a galactic-scale war, even more so than the Galactic Civil War if you think about it. I definitely think it is possible for this conflict to stand out from the OT, but I guess we’ll just have to wait and see how they handle it in IX and further media.

You make some great points. And I’ll probably soften up to the ST era EU in the future as they start to explore it in more detail and take more risks with the lore.

I am quite curious about what they’re planning to add in the thirty years between the OT and the ST.

DominicCobb said:

Well I’m fairness I don’t believe The Mandolorian would qualify as ST era.

True, but I feel like it’s going to “set-up” the First Order and other ST-lore at least in some ways.

DominicCobb said:

ZkinandBonez said:

DominicCobb said:

ZkinandBonez said:

fmalover said:

I recently gave the prequel trilogy another try and you know what? My distaste for TFA has rekindled my appreciation of the PT. Now I enjoy, like really enjoy, the PT. Are they objectively bad movies? Hell yes, but I still rate them above TFA. That’s how much I dislike TFA.

I’ve had a similar experience, though for me it has more to do with the lore. Needless to say the PT films aren’t too well made, but I like the distinct world Lucas built for it much more than what we’ve gotten so far in the ST. For me SW is more than just the movies, and so far I’ve had no interest in the ST EU. The Clone Wars era EU on the other hand I’ve found more original and nuanced.

I’ve enjoyed the ST as movies, but the lore has IMO been very bland and boring.

That probably explains a bit why some PT fans hate the ST (and potentially vice versa?). I could give a shit about lore, and I feel like on of the biggest issues of the PT is putting lore and world building in front of effective storytelling. I mean I like SW lore, but in my mind that’s what the EU is for. When I watch a movie, I want a good movie, and in my opinion the ST delivers far above the PT in that regard.

I agree with all of the above, but I personally (like many fans) spend more time with EU material than just the movies. And so far I’ve had more fun with stories originating from the PT than the ST. It just boils down to individual priorities. For some fans the EU is really important and if the new movies don’t serve as platforms for interesting new stories, then those movies just aren’t that interesting to them, regardless of how well they were made.

As a film fan I admire the ST more than the PT, but as a SW fan I lean more towards the PT.

I’m sure we’ll eventually get a decent amount of ST EU material, just seems like it’ll be delayed in comparison.

Hell, we’re getting a whole theme park experience as part of the ST EU, I’d say that’s pretty cool.

Sure, thought it’s not really the amount that is bothering me and many other fans, it’s rather that the new lore feels too similar to the OT. The PT, despite giving us awkward dialogue, bad CG, etc, etc. did at the very least give us a completely different conflict between new factions that felt different from the OT. ST material kind of just feel like a “reskin” of the OT rather than something new. Some fans like that, and I get why; “don’t fix what isn’t broken” etc. but for some fans it’s just kind of dull.

The new theme park does seem pretty impressive, and it’ll be fun to see how all of that is going to work out. And I am also quite exited about the Mandalorian TV series, so I do enjoy the new canon overall, I’ve just also gotten a newfound appreciation of the Clone Wars era in general.

DominicCobb said:

ZkinandBonez said:

fmalover said:

I recently gave the prequel trilogy another try and you know what? My distaste for TFA has rekindled my appreciation of the PT. Now I enjoy, like really enjoy, the PT. Are they objectively bad movies? Hell yes, but I still rate them above TFA. That’s how much I dislike TFA.

I’ve had a similar experience, though for me it has more to do with the lore. Needless to say the PT films aren’t too well made, but I like the distinct world Lucas built for it much more than what we’ve gotten so far in the ST. For me SW is more than just the movies, and so far I’ve had no interest in the ST EU. The Clone Wars era EU on the other hand I’ve found more original and nuanced.

I’ve enjoyed the ST as movies, but the lore has IMO been very bland and boring.

That probably explains a bit why some PT fans hate the ST (and potentially vice versa?). I could give a shit about lore, and I feel like on of the biggest issues of the PT is putting lore and world building in front of effective storytelling. I mean I like SW lore, but in my mind that’s what the EU is for. When I watch a movie, I want a good movie, and in my opinion the ST delivers far above the PT in that regard.

I agree with all of the above, but I personally (like many fans) spend more time with EU material than just the movies. And so far I’ve had more fun with stories originating from the PT than the ST. It just boils down to individual priorities. For some fans the EU is really important and if the new movies don’t serve as platforms for interesting new stories, then those movies just aren’t that interesting to them, regardless of how well they were made.

As a film fan I admire the ST more than the PT, but as a SW fan I lean more towards the PT.

fmalover said:

I recently gave the prequel trilogy another try and you know what? My distaste for TFA has rekindled my appreciation of the PT. Now I enjoy, like really enjoy, the PT. Are they objectively bad movies? Hell yes, but I still rate them above TFA. That’s how much I dislike TFA.

I’ve had a similar experience, though for me it has more to do with the lore. Needless to say the PT films aren’t too well made, but I like the distinct world Lucas built for it much more than what we’ve gotten so far in the ST. For me SW is more than just the movies, and so far I’ve had no interest in the ST EU. The Clone Wars era EU on the other hand I’ve found more original and nuanced.

I’ve enjoyed the ST as movies, but the lore has IMO been very bland and boring.

I think the biggest flaws of TLJ came from what little Abrams gave Johnson to work with. I honestly think the whole Luke plot-line, which seems to be what most SW fans who didn’t like the film complain about, was as good as it really could have been considering where Abrams ended TFA.

If Johnson gets to do a truly original SW trilogy I think it could potentially be really interesting. I think TLJ was simply too shackled by TFA’s re-use of OT ideas & iconography, especially Abram’s “Mystery-box” ending. I also don’t think Johnson works too well with “kid-friendly” material. I think if he was allowed to go in a direction more similar to Rogue One it would work a lot better. The darker aspects/moments of TLJ are IMO what worked best.

I made a thread about the “George Lucas Explains his Universe” interview from 1977 included in Rinzler’s book a few years back.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Lucas-EU-in-1977-midi-chlorians-space-gypsies-and-crystal-currency/id/51354

It’s really frustrating that such a popular book has an edited section in it. I personally don’t have any problems with midichlorians (I get why Lucas felt the need to add them to the lore), but it annoys me that Lucas is trying to retcon film history. A lot of SW fans still insist that Lucas had the whole thing planned from the beginning because of Rinzler’s book. It even says so on the Wookieepedia article for midichlorians.