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#1422232
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What do you LIKE about the EU?
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JadedSkywalker said:

Just got my Boxtree first printing of Dark Empire it is slightly less tall than the us edition also on lousy quality non glossy paper. Very disappointed. The only positive is the content is identical to the first US printing, but it looks so muddy i feel like i wasted 25 dollars. In fact its on worse paper than the original run of comics of which i own the first edition of issue #1. Now i’m tempted to get the Epic Collection from Marvel to compare.

Why would you want glossy paper for something that wasn’t originally printed on glossy paper?

I haven’t read the boxtree edition of DE so I can’t really tell how “muddy” it is compared to the original issues, and it’s obviously a flaw if it’s worse, but I don’t see how glossy paper is necessarily the “solution”. I own the Norwegian translation of DE from the late 90’s and they were printed on fairly pulpy paper and I’d say that’s quite appropriate for the series and probably what quite close to Cam Kennedy had in mind while doing the colours. That is unless the original six issue run was done on something fancy like Baxter paper? I know there was a lot of experimenting done at that time.

You might want to get a hold of The 2003 TPB. It is on fairly glossy paper, and I personally think it looks artificially bright, but it’s a lot better IMO than a lot of modern Marvel reprints which always seem excessively bright and cheaply printed to me (i.e. the ink easily smudges, etc).

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#1422218
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What is the best way to watch Clone Wars (2003)
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I have no idea about the differences in quality, but the idea of watching it in 1 hour blocks sounds kind of exhausting to me. Keep in mind that the first two seasons (or “volumes” as they call them for some reason) were made up out of less than 5 minute long shorts jam-packed with action. Seriously, a lot happens in these shorts. There is sort of a single story told throughout the first two volumes, at least as far as Anakin and Obi-Wan is concerned, but there’s a lot of filler shorts as well. Volume 3 is much more like a regular cartoon with 20 minute episodes and tells two parallel stories just prior to the events of ROTS.

I don’t know where you can watch it as a series of shorts or episodes as the YouTube versions also combines everything into one movie. However, if the D+ version is anything like the YT version it should be fairly obvious when each short ends and the next one begins.

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#1422061
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<strong>Jedi Knight</strong> games | Dark Forces, JK: DFII, JK: MOTS, JKII: Jedi Outcast, JK: Jedi Academy
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Some of the favourite SW-related moments from childhood is watching my older brother play Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy, and later playing them myself.

There was a point in my early teens where I no longer had access to the full games but only the demo of Jedi Academy and I played that demo so many times that I basically figured out every game exploit and glitches that were possible in the two available levels. Let’s just say there’s a lot of weird stuff you can do to these games if you’re a bored teen with too much time on his hands, and it got even weirder once I got my hands on the full games again. I still have my old save files and some of them are practically works of abstract art.

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#1422060
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<strong>Shadows Of The Empire</strong> | Lucasfilm's mid-to-late 1990's EU multimedia project
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I’m too young to remember this, but I did get into SW just a few years later in 1999 so there was still plenty of SotE stuff around. The comic series was the first EU material I ever read, followed by Dark Empire, both of which I borrowed from my older brother.

I read the Steve Perry novel many years later and I feel that it doesn’t get quite the attention it deserves. Sure it’s hardly one of the absolutely greatest SW novels ever written, though I would say it’s definitely among the best of the 90’s. I also think it’s a great starting point for people interested in SW novels as it’s so directly tied to the plot of the OT, plus it’s a lot easier to read one novel than have to commit to a series or trilogy right off the bat.

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#1421637
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<strong>Disney+</strong> streaming platform : <strong>Star Wars content</strong> &amp; various other info
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These shows are either region locked or given different release dates for different locations, because I just checked my D+ account in Norway and I couldn’t find any of them.

BTW, has anyone looked at The Story of the Faithful Wookiee? I’m curious about which version it is. Is it the “normal version” that’s been on YouTube for a while now or the slightly extended version with the fake alien commercial breaks?

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#1421359
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Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
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The Virtual Production of The Mandalorian, Season Two
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gX4N5rDYeQ - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (7 mins long).

The blurb:
“For the second season of Lucasfilm’s hit Disney+ series, The Mandalorian, Industrial Light & Magic reengineered their StageCraft virtual production platform rolling out version 2.0 in which ILM introduced among other things, Helios, Industrial Light & Magic’s first cinematic render engine designed for real-time visual effects. Engineered from the ground up with film and television production in mind, Helios offers incredible performance, high fidelity real-time ray tracing, the ability to rip through scenes of unparalleled complexity, all while leveraging ILM’s unrivaled color science, and was designed from the start to work seamlessly with ILM StageCraft.
The purpose-built, production-hardened platform allows filmmakers to explore new ideas, communicate concepts, and execute shots in a collaborative and flexible production environment.”

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#1420263
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What do you LIKE about the EU?
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JadedSkywalker said:

I like Dark Empire. It was just reprinted by Marvel, and looks to be the definitive printing.

I won’t know if it is as good as the original printing in terms of paper quality until my copy arrives.

I found that my first edition is ruined by a coffee stain, and i cannot afford to replace it. So i assume the newest printing will do.

I don’t own any original 1991 copies of Dark Empire, but I assumed they were printed on newsprint paper?

I only own the 2003 TPB (in English anyway) which is very nice though a tad too “bright” IMO (as most modern reprints tend to be). The newsprint used for the Norwegian issues I’ve had since I was kid however really does the dark-colours of Cam Kennedy’s art proper justice.

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#1420015
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Making-Of Documentaries - YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds
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The only making-of I’ve seen that is just about as weird and disjointed as the film (and director) it’s about.

Ciao, Federico! (1970) - The Making of ‘Fellini Satyricon’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGxHCB1KBMo - from the Cinematographers on cinematography YouTube channel (1 hour long).

The blurb:
“This documentary film was produced by Gideon Bachmann in 1970. It features various clips from archival interviews with the legendary Italian director as well as plenty of archival footage from the shooting of Fellini Satyricon.”

IMDB link

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#1418429
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Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
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Behind the Magic: The Visual Effects of The Mandalorian Season 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb6Aww3LIDE - from the official ILMVFX YouTube channel (3:30 mins long).

The blurb:
“Visual effects work on The Mandalorian was completed in all five of ILM’s studios (San Francisco, Singapore, Vancouver, London, and Sydney) as well as a contingent of other vendors under ILM’s supervision. The season’s 8 episodes encompassed nearly 5,000 visual effects shots in addition to all of ILM’s real-time effects work done for use during principal photography. The effects team leveraged virtually every trick in the book, from miniatures and motion control to traditional puppeteering, advanced animatronics, spectacular special effects, and photo-real CG. Here’s a sampling of ILM’s post visual effects work done for the series that garnered ILM 13 Visual Effects Society Award nominations.”

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#1418188
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<strong>Star Wars: Droids</strong> (animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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Rodney-2187 said:

Maybe they aren’t putting Droids up yet because they think it will cause confusion with A Droid Story.

Makes sense. Hopefully they’ll release it some time not too long after the new series. Since they’re releasing the Ewok movies and carton as their own thing, and the Boba Fett cartoon some months before The Book of Boba Fett it wouldn’t surprise me if they’ll try use the new Droid series as a way to create some interest in younger viewers by releasing the original Droids series not too long afterwards.

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#1418078
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<strong>Star Wars: Droids</strong> (animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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I’m genuinely surprised that even the Ewok content and the HS cartoon is being made available at all, so now I’m sure Droids will come along eventually.

I’m assuming the Ewok movies and the cartoon will be in HD, so maybe there are some restoration problems? Or it could just be a marketing tactic and they’ll release Droids at some point right before or right after Star Wars: A Droid Story this December.

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#1418032
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<strong>Disney+</strong> streaming platform : <strong>Star Wars content</strong> &amp; various other info
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SilverWook said:

I have never ever heard the HS animated segment called that before. Somebody had better produce some vintage documentation backing that up, or I’m calling bantha poodoo. 😉

I’ve always known it as just “The Faithful Wookiee.” Maybe it’s from the 2011 blu-ray set? I think the animated short was included there as a bonus feature. Or maybe it’s just a fan-name that ended up sticking?


Since D+ is clearly not releasing the whole HS, I wonder if they’ll use the extended version of the animated short. According to this list of true and false urban legends relating to the HS (scroll down to the bottom) there’s a slightly extended cut with different intros and outros (not including Lumpy watching the computer screen) and a fake commercial with aliens in superhero costumes.

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#1416620
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Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
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screams in the void said:

If I have to put a label to it , I prefer Space Fantasy .As a huge fan of the original Marvel Comic , I love the tagline , " The Greatest Space Fantasy Of All !"

Yes, nice and straight forward.
And i emphasizes space as a setting instead of lingering on science (even if tech is still present in SW).

This section from the Wikipedia page for Science Fantasy (closest “official” equivalent) summarizes the recent discussion pretty succinctly I think;
“Distinguishing between science fiction and fantasy, Rod Serling claimed that the former was “the improbable made possible” while the latter was “the impossible made probable”. As a combination of the two, science fantasy gives a scientific veneer of realism to things that simply could not happen in the real world under any circumstances. Where science fiction does not permit the existence of fantasy or supernatural elements, science fantasy explicitly relies upon them.”

Also interesting how it specifically mentions that the old pulps appealed to the “New Wave” writers of the 1960s (which I would say Lucas qualifies as), who were “exasperated by the limitations of ‘hard’ SF”. Seems pretty close to what I wrote in my essay, though I focused more on the German Expressionist influences (which I’m sure film students of that time would have been very much aware of).

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#1416474
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Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
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yotsuya said:

ZkinandBonez said:
So, all my ramblings aside (I’m probably starting to sound like a broken record at this point), most people will most likely continue to label anything with spaceships as sci-fi and anything with wizards as fantasy, so all we can really do is provide sub-genres for those of us who do care about the minutiae of fiction. But I find it especially fun to challenge the genre definitions of Star Wars in particular as the very first movie basically has a wizard in a spaceship.

And then you have Star Wars with spaceships and wizards. For me the ESP-ness of the Force places this in Space Opera.

Sure, space opera is a very accurate niche-genre label to place SW in. Not sure why ESP specifically would put it in that genre, you could make the argument that ESP is more of a paranormal trope, but the pseudo-science nature of it coupled with the adventure, melodrama, ect. definitely qualifies. Though it’s funny to me how the Wikipedia page for space opera specifies that the “opera” refers to soap operas and not traditional opera, as I think the latter fits quite well too, maybe even better. Maybe it’s just me, but I would say that SW has a certain Wagnerian quality to it.
My only real issue with the Space Opera classification is that it’s by definition a very pulpy and trashy genre, or at least that’s what the person who coined the term put into it. Maybe that’s changed since, I’ve read a lot of old pulps but not too much space opera. SW definitely has a lot of pulpy elements to it, but I think it succeeded in transcending the pulps it was initially trying to emulate. An argument could be made to place SW in the Sword and Planet genre however, though ironically it might be a bit too tech-focused to fit that genre (even if the tech doesn’t actually make a lot of sense).

I dunno. Maybe trying to find a specific genre for something like SW is impossible. I’m probably seeing this from an author’s perspective and sometimes you can’t even properly categorize your own work. And Star Wars is in many ways the ultimate genre mashup. I do like the term space opera though, and even if I’m not a big fan of the original definition, it does sound right when talking about Star Wars.

PS. I’m not quite sure what you meant by your first sentence as you just re-phrased what I wrote in my previous post. Does space opera tend to have wizards and magic in it? Like I said, I’m not too well versed in the genre, but what I associate with it is stuff like Flash Gordon and the Lensman series.

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#1416324
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Discussion: What is the oldest Star Wars merchandise in your collection?
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The oldest SW item I own is an August 1977 (15th printing) edition of the original Star Wars novelization. Although this version was printed about a year or so after the first edition, it is for all intents and purposes the exact same book as the first paperback, minus the little “review” of the film added to the cover.

Other than that my oldest merchandise has to be comics. I did get three Kenner figures a few years back, but I have no idea when exactly they were made and considering how ridiculously cheap I got them for they might even be fakes for all I know.

However, I do know that the first Norwegian Star Wars annual (see photo below) which was printed in early 1978 and it’s also the first piece of SW merchandise ever made available in Norway in general. Norway didn’t get much in terms of SW comics until a regular series started in 1983, but I do have all the annuals released before that.

I also own a copy Marvel’s Star Wars #11 which was released February 7, 1978, plus several other issues from the same series (only a few of them are included in the photo below). I have a nearly complete collection of the Marvel comics published between ANH and ESB.

Other than this, at least as far as pre-90’s SW is concerned, I own a UK print of Splinter of the Mind’s Eye that might be from 1978, copies of the remaining two novelizations, a 1983 book-and-record (minus the record) based on Marvel comics’ Droid World and the aforementioned cheap Kenner figures. Most of my collection is from the 90’s and my own childhood in the early 2000’s.

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#1415729
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Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
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I see what your’re saying, and I agree that it’s probably the only practical way of dealing with these genres. I personally find reducing stories to just technology and magic a bit too rigid as these are just tools used by characters in stories, and ultimately stories are about people and themes. Although it’s probably not all that practical, I personally would like for these to define genres. But technology and magic is probably the simplest way to separate genres as it at least gives people a sense of the aesthetic/atmosphere of the book or movie they are about to read/watch.

It does still annoy me though, since I feel that spaceships doesn’t necessarily mean sci-fi unless it serves a theme of science, and magic doesn’t always denote fantasy, especially when it’s not done in a mythological way.

For example:
Even though Asimov’s books include a lot of things that probably won’t/can’t happen (though this has been said of sci-fi many times until it actually does happen), yet his ideas are as I’ve mentioned before with Star Trek, rooted in themes of human exploration/development. The society depicted in the Foundation books may seem exaggerated and fantasy-like, but the idea of storing all human knowledge to minimize the duration of an inevitable age of barbarism predicted through an a scientific method that can simulate the most likely outcomes of predictable human behaviour, is at it’s core a very science-based concept. We can argue about exactly how possible this is, though computers are only now starting to be able to do large-scale simulations, so who knows. Asimov made it a math-like process, but he wrote it in a time when computers were just starting to become somewhat useful. The idea however, is science-rooted. And it’s from the 50’s, so it still has that veneer of Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers, but the ideas are all based on intellectual concepts, and the human stories are only second priority, almost treated as a mere necessity as civilizations do of course center around people. What Asimov is really interested in though is civilization as an concept.

Fantasy on the other hand, at least when done properly, I would say is more rooted in themes of mythology and fairy tales. Unfortunately, a lot of modern fantasy is written from a sci-fi viewpoint were magic is basically a metaphysical science with specific rules to be obeyed. Now this is an interesting concept, but it really should get it’s own sub-label (which it kind of already has in Hard Magic) as it has little to do with true fantasy. Classical fantasy, like Narnia or The Wizard of Oz are, like mythology, purely symbolic affairs. They are not meant to be made sense of through literal interpretations. Even when fantasy creates an elaborate lore, like Lord of the Rings, you can rarely figure out how exactly the magic works or where exactly the stories take place. People have tried to superimpose Middle-Earth over mas of Europe, but like Erewhon and Newhon, it’s a nowhere and a nowhen. Likewise with Star Wars, you can find many videos online where fans speculate whether the SW-galaxy is supposed to exist in our universe/dimension, but like those who tried to equate the Shire with England and Rohan with Norway, I feel they are missing the point.

Of course where things get really complicated is when you star to analyse writers like Robert E. Howard who literally superimposed his own Hyborean age map over a map of Europe and created his own fictional pre-historic timeline for the earth. Is that fantasy? Sci-fi? Maybe the old term science fantasy still applies to his work in particular. The again there’s not much science in his writing. Maybe speculative fantasy should be a thing.

So, all my ramblings aside (I’m probably starting to sound like a broken record at this point), most people will most likely continue to label anything with spaceships as sci-fi and anything with wizards as fantasy, so all we can really do is provide sub-genres for those of us who do care about the minutiae of fiction. But I find it especially fun to challenge the genre definitions of Star Wars in particular as the very first movie basically has a wizard in a spaceship.

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#1414759
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Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
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Oh, I agree, there’s definitely a lot of genre overlap with SW. And much of sci-fi does defy any single label. However, since science fiction has the word “science” in it I personally tend to equate it to the term speculative fiction which implies at least a certain degree of what’s being shown will be plausible one day. SW doesn’t really fit into that genre, nor does the Barsoom stories. Now, obviously there’s a lot that isn’t realistic in much of sci-fi, with Star Trek being a very good example. But as I said in my Addendum #2 the premise is one of exploration and there’s always some attempts at keeping the technology somewhat within the realm of possibility, except for when it prevents the stories from being told (like how there is no time-dilation in warp-travel, etc.). Plus, much of the pseudo-science, like telepathy, was believed at the time it was made to be real science, so it was at least an attempt at science fiction.

Besides, I’m not really denying that SW has elements of sci-fi in it, like it does with so many other genre as well, but “Star Wars is surrealism, sci-fi, a western, a samurai film, a space-opera, a fairy-tale, and so forth” doesn’t make for a very eye-catching title. And I do think that it is primarily a fantasy/fairy-tale at it’s core, while the rest are mostly aesthetic influences.

I also think it’s interesting how the sci-fi genre originated in a time when space travel seemed so absurd to people that it might as well have been fantasy, so weather you were reading Burroughs, Doc Smith, Wells or even Robert E. Howard, it was all classified as “science fantasy.” Then after the first satellite, the first man in space and finally the moon-landing in the 50’s & 60’s then suddenly the absurdity of some of the old science fantasy stories didn’t seem all that crazy anymore, and people started to differentiate authors like H.G. Wells from Edgar Rice Burroughs, with the former retaining the science fiction label while the latter gradually being reclassified more and more as fantasy (or Sword & Planet to be more specific).

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#1413441
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The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT
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Neither of these videos are exclusively SW, but there’s some interesting breakdowns here by stuntwoman Lauren Mary Kim who did the action scenes for Ahsoka in both TCW and The Mandalorian, as well as The Armorer.

Stuntmen React To Bad & Great Hollywood Stunts 18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlESZmw8oJY - from the Corridor Crew YouTube channel (13 mins long).

Skip ahead to just the Clone Wars S07 segment

Stuntmen React To Bad & Great Hollywood Stunts 23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Oa4rCROXM - from the Corridor Crew YouTube channel (12 mins long).

Skip ahead to just the Mandalorian S01 segment

Stuntmen React To Bad & Great Hollywood Stunts 29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stJHkhF-dtk - from the Corridor Crew YouTube channel (13 mins long).

Skip ahead to just the Mandalorian S02 segment

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#1412901
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Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
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Koral said:

I know the main purpose of this essay is not to discuss where Lucas got his inspiration but I just quickly want to add in regards to addendum#1 that the force is also similar to the concept of qi.

Discuss away. A lot of this essay and the responses have gone into Lucas’ inspirations, so it is in no way off-topic.

As for qi, I only know a little bit about it, mostly just the cliches, but it does seem like the kind of thing that Lucas might have referenced, especially since all things new age and martial arts related were quite big in the 70’s.

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#1412164
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Making-Of Documentaries - YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds
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The Making Of Lifeforce (1985)
https://youtu.be/DCWRVLEMyoA?t=1342 - from the Vincent Dawn YouTube channel (22 mins long).

The video also includes The Making of Invaders From Mars from the same program. Total runtime; 44 mins.

IMDB link

Lifeforce Extras: Space Vampires in London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlXYn8S7-aI - from the Retro TV YouTube channel (10 mins long).

Lifeforce Extras: Carlsen’s Curse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0zSWR4FmpA&t - from the Retro TV YouTube channel (7 mins long).

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#1410526
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The <strong>random YouTube / Vimeo etc video finds</strong> thread for the Original Trilogy
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The Secret CORELLIAN CORVETTE in Return of the Jedi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhalNJJPc3o - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (7:40 mins long)

The blurb:
“For almost 4 decades, a secret Corellian Corvette variant has been hiding in plain sight in Return of the Jedi. Join us on an exciting exploration of this ship, including a fan interpretation of the ship brought to life!”

Previous EC Henry restoration and redesign videos posted in this thread:

The Secret Mystery TIE FIGHTER in Return of the Jedi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYpbVrXFSqQ&t - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (6:45 mins long)

The blurb:
“We might think that we’ve seen every ship in Star Wars… but there are always new discoveries! In this case, possibly an entirely new variant of TIE fighter.”

Making a Civilian T-47 Snowspeeder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xqUbRKrjUo - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (4 mins long).

The blurb:
“The snowspeeder is an iconic Star Wars vehicle, but canonically it was developed from a stock civilian airspeeder. In this video, I design what that might look like.”

The Most Obscure Rebel Ship in Star Wars?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeA777Ru7aI - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (10 mins long)

The blurb:
“So many canonical Original Trilogy ships have been totally forgotten by official Star Wars media. It’s my goal to restore them all to their rightful place!”

Three Rebel Ships That Star Wars Forgot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5b0cxF8HOE - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (6 mins long)

The blurb:
"You might think you know every ship in the Rebel Alliance fleet, but there are ships in the original Star Wars trilogy that have somehow evaded detection for decades. I’ve brought three Rebel “mystery ships” to life. "

The Ugliest Rebel Ship You’ve NEVER Heard of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsLocVDui6Y - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (5 mins long)

The blurb:
"It’s amazing that there are canonical ships in the original Star Wars trilogy that are completely neglected. Come explore a completely unexplored ship of the Rebel Alliance! "

The Mon Cal Cruiser You Never Knew Existed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtozC1NLZY8 - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (6 mins long)

The blurb:
“Star Wars is full of mysterious ships that for some reason have never been acknolwedged by canon. I explore one such ship today!”

The IMPERIAL Nebulon-B Frigate (Fan design)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz13rwQpUd4&t - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (9 mins long)

The blurb:
“The Nebulon-B has long been considered a Rebel vessel, but canonically this frigate was originally an Imperial vessel. I took on the challenge of creating what that might have looked like.”

TIE Shuttle’s TRUE FORM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VPVxrKCUGg - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (2:40 mins long)

The blurb:
“Star Wars has no shortage of TIE variants. We’ve all been told that the TIE shuttle is essentially just one ship re-purposed as another. But… the truth is a little more interesting! Let’s explore the TIE Shuttle’s true form!”

The ORIGINAL Star Destroyer: Colin Cantwell’s Design Reborn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZLAtGu3-98&list=PLYn2a0e2FVIKni_wHXR5CJYBnnnYH7mIB&index=146&t - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (5 mins long)

The blurb:
“Many fans of Star Wars don’t know the name Colin Cantwell, but they should. He designed almost every ship in the original film, including the Star Destroyer, which began its life as a very interesting design. Let’s explore that design and maybe we can bring it to life.”