Zak fett

dahmage said:

Zak fett said:

Collipso said:

Ok, I’ll start with the original. Thanks guys.

The only reason I even considered R1 is because I think that R1 nowadays is an easier movie to watch than the original, especially in this case with a girl as protagonist (since I’d be showing it to my girlfriend; and more girls in general in the movie). However, I have noted in previous viewings that it doesn’t have “introductory qualities” like the original has, so it doesn’t function as well as the introduction to the SW saga to someone new. Plus it’s so different from all the others that the first time viewer might find some recurring things in the rest of the saga odd.

Again, thanks guys.

Would YOU watch R1 before ANH ?

I would in a R1 and ANH only double feature. But if doing a trilogy viewing, (or especially if introducing someone to the films), i would use release order.

I agree and the one of the problems of of going PT R1 OT is that in ROtS you find out luke and Leia are twins which kind of partly ruins OT.

What people who don’t like about the canto-bight sequence seemed to be "well I want to see the rebellion and whats happening and stuff with Luke and Rey we don’t want this added part"
Personally I didn’t mind it too much.

Mrebo said:

chyron8472 said:

I’m really just spitballing here, but I think maybe the problem people have with Luke’s actions in TLJ is that there has been this Superman-like mistique set up around him by our culture. People assumed (or inferred), because Return of the Jedi ended on a high note for him, that he essentially could or would become the ST’s Qui-Gon Jinn or Ben Kenobi.

It is because TLJ turned around and said “Nope. Actually, he’s had a severe crisis of faith. Whatever you wanted him to do, he’s having none of it.” And so it’s as if Superman is suddenly not for truth and justice (and the “American way”). He’s not what we expected. He’s Bizzaro-Luke.

Humanizing him in this way cuts people deep, I think, because of how we as a culture built him up as a sort of superhero in the 80’s. Whether or not someone read the EU novels.

You are combining what I see as two different ideas. There is the idea that Luke was set up as a legendary figure like Superman. And there is the idea that he was a good guy who would go on to continue to learn and grow.

I hate the idea that Luke is known far and wide for his various deeds. I like the idea that not many people knew what happened on the second Death Star, don’t know his parentage, and lots of people don’t believe in the Force. If anything, I think Luke would never really receive great recognition.

Seeing him fall is more like seeing your dad after 35 years and he’s kind of a drunk loser. He wasn’t one before and maybe you idolized him a bit, but c’mon.

I think most people experience a discovery that their parents are more human than they knew as children. That has nothing to do with a change in the parents.

Finding out that Luke isn’t a legend and still isn’t perfect is a great way to go about this. Making him a “bizarro Luke” is a different thing.

So for me, it’s far less about idolizing Luke than wanting to see him follow a path of growth and discovery, as I want for any protagonist I like.

I think a lot people in the ST universe have stopped believing in the force and the rebellion because the word of the star killer base destruction didn’t seem to get around the universe so people look back at the old rebellion but not to the current one. It could be because TFO seem to be winning the war. Maybe later people will be looking at Finn and Rey as people look at luke and Han.
I think too many people overestimated luke in the TLJ, their had been this whole mission in TFA to find Luke and bring him home to save the rebellion and people seemed to think quick and easy he’ll come home and just destroy the FO but with that in their mind as what they wanted, the change made was lower than their expectancies of him hence the weren’t satisfied.

Does anyone have any plausible theories on the origins of snoke and maybe a hidden identity?

Collipso said:

Ok, I’ll start with the original. Thanks guys.

The only reason I even considered R1 is because I think that R1 nowadays is an easier movie to watch than the original, especially in this case with a girl as protagonist (since I’d be showing it to my girlfriend; and more girls in general in the movie). However, I have noted in previous viewings that it doesn’t have “introductory qualities” like the original has, so it doesn’t function as well as the introduction to the SW saga to someone new. Plus it’s so different from all the others that the first time viewer might find some recurring things in the rest of the saga odd.

Again, thanks guys.

Would YOU watch R1 before ANH ?

TV’s Frink said:

It’s not the topic we’re talking about, it’s the formatting. You keep making these quoting mistakes and it’s unclear who said what because of it. Also unclear where the original post even came from.

Make one post, then review it to see if something didn’t work. If it doesn’t look right, don’t make another post, edit your first post to fix it.

I know I forgot to reply I know what I did wrong but I didn’t know hot to fix it but i Realize now.

TV’s Frink said:

Look at your last three posts.

An At-At can absorb the fire of a Air speeder - plasma - now a lightsaber is also plasma (I should add on my posts on the At At were more “am I correct could someone correct me”)

TV’s Frink said:

^Who said what now?

Said what - the material or they can’t cut through magna guards weaponry.

Porkins4real said:

flametitan said:

This isn’t a criticism of the film, but kind of a Fridge moment for me: How does Finn know how to pilot a sandskimmer? (Vaguely; he forgets to engage a certain stabilization thing but seems to have no issues after that) Wasn’t the whole reason he teamed up with Poe in TFA because he didn’t know how to pilot aircraft? I don’t think it has to do with being unfamiliar with a TIE and familiar with the sandskimmer. After all, Star wars seems to imply that piloting experience is a transferable skill; piloting one ship means you’re good at piloting them all. Nevermind that the Sandskimmer seems like it’s supposed to be a vehicle that was outdated before Finn was born, so he’d likely never be trained to pilot one.

Very true. Frankly, I was more confused but what the plan was. They had no weapons that could be of any effect, so was it a Kamakazi run? If so then Rose is a total douche for letting everyone but her and Fin die before deciding it was a bad idea.

Plus even if they did have a plan, it clearly did nothing. All it did was kill a bunch of people (slimming the rebellion down still).

ElectroDroid said:

Anyway, predictions:

Whether Kylo Ren is going to be conflicted, or just a strong villain now, will let us be known to us within the first 20 minutes of the movie. They won’t tease a redemption if he’s not gonna be redeemed.

If Kylo Ren is not redeemed, it will end in a climactic duel where Rey beats him (again) and this time kills him.

If he’s not, he and Rey continue their relationship they started in TLJ. It progresses even further to the point where they are the only ones who understand each other and need to be with each other all the time.

Also:
Hux turns against Kylo Ren.

Knights of Ren make an appearance.

A few throwaway lines explain WHO THE HECK THIS SNOKE GUY WAS. Put in there to pacify annoyed fans like me 😃

Kylo Ren dies/turns
Maybe a civil war or split between the first order

Zak fett said:

none said:
Lightsabers have been shown in several spots in the movies to be able to cut through anything.
So why does Luke go all the way up to the belly of the Snow walker when he could have just as easily cut through a thin point on the walker foot, the curved ankle hinge or lateral strut: (or whatever they’re called)
Luke had several seconds while the foot was planted before it began the next step.
(insert blow up Yavin IV response)

Their are also metals that lightsabers can’t cut through (as everyone says is wrong) like baton shaft, the material used by magna guards.

Gaffer Tape said:

none said:

Lightsabers have been shown in several spots in the movies to be able to cut through anything.

So why does Luke go all the way up to the belly of the Snow walker when he could have just as easily cut through a thin point on the walker foot, the curved ankle hinge or lateral strut: (or whatever they’re called)

Luke had several seconds while the foot was planted before it began the next step.

(insert blow up Yavin IV response)

You also forget that the walker had a deflector shield which because of it’s energy shield is impenetrable by a lightsaber.

none said:
Lightsabers have been shown in several spots in the movies to be able to cut through anything.
So why does Luke go all the way up to the belly of the Snow walker when he could have just as easily cut through a thin point on the walker foot, the curved ankle hinge or lateral strut: (or whatever they’re called)
Luke had several seconds while the foot was planted before it began the next step.
(insert blow up Yavin IV response)

Mrebo said:

Zak fett said:

The last Jedi has left a few unanswered questions. Kylo Ren seemed to perfectly recall himself waking up and Luke holding a GREEN lightsaber up at him (his lightsaber from RotJ). So when Luke and Ren were about to face off in TLJ he should’ve noticed the hilt was Luke’s original blue blade, The same one that him and Rey split in half. Now for those who say “well maybe he generally didn’t look at the hilt”, I perfectly recall him noticing it in the force awakens. It was the first thing he said when Finn pulled it out hence probably one of the first thing he looks at.
Another thing I sort of picked up on is, Maz has been alive to see the PT-OT-ST so I expect she would no who and how many people know how to break onto The Supremacy. So where did this guy in prison come from?

Now these are nitpicks. A person’s focus shifts. When their thoughts are intently focused on one thing, they may miss another or care more about the main thought in their head (such as OMG, Luke is here). Maz may be old, but that doesn’t mean omniscient. She presumably named the person she thought capable and trustworthy and locatable, among any other unknown characteristics. It’s not like there can’t be anybody else in the galaxy who is competent at hacking.

It may be a nitpick but that does not mean its entirely wrong. I recall Maz saying their is one other person and if you want to get onto Snokes ship he’s the one. Now she may not know of the other one where you are completely correct. This all goes without saying the man in prison (DJ) is also a master codebreaker.

The last Jedi has left a few unanswered questions. Kylo Ren seemed to perfectly recall himself waking up and Luke holding a GREEN lightsaber up at him (his lightsaber from RotJ). So when Luke and Ren were about to face off in TLJ he should’ve noticed the hilt was Luke’s original blue blade, The same one that him and Rey split in half. Now for those who say “well maybe he generally didn’t look at the hilt”, I perfectly recall him noticing it in the force awakens. It was the first thing he said when Finn pulled it out hence probably one of the first thing he looks at.
Another thing I sort of picked up on is, Maz has been alive to see the PT-OT-ST so I expect she would no who and how many people know how to break onto The Supremacy. So where did this guy in prison come from?

Hardcore Legend said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

You do make a good point.
I don’t know what Yoda’s story is, but Obi Wan was not just hiding. He was protecting the last hope the Jedi had. The son of Anakin Skywalker.

I believe Yoda had to make\had a connection to qui gonn. But with luke he may have been their in the end but a lot could’ve been prevented if him and other jedi stop going into exile! From their point of view I can understand why they enter exile but maybe try and undo your failure.

if Ren was more observant and could use his eyes I expect he would’ve noticed that the lightsaber luke was using in his force projection was the same as the lightsaber him and rey split in half.

Valheru_84 said:

SilverWook said:

So, everybody has forgotten or didn’t see the blink and you’ll miss it shot of those ancient Jedi books stashed away on the Falcon? Rey may not have a living trainer, but she’s got the instruction manuals.

I vaguely recall a scene of her closing a drawer I think aboard the Falcon with I think books or paper of some sort inside though I didn’t take particular notice of the drawer contents. I do understand though that this is the shot you speak of and do remember it to an extent.

I’d hardly call them instruction manuals though. As I understood it, they were at most dogmatic preachings, stories and histories of the first Jedis, not a step by step instruction manual on how to master the force.

Plus Yoda says “there’s nothing in the books that the girl rey doesn’t already know”.

Valheru_84 said:

Zak fett said:

SilverWook said:

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.

“The Rebellion is reborn today.”

The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.

Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.

Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.

Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.

If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.

First of all, the FO does not control the galaxy yet. They are in the process of picking up the pieces during the course of TLJ, that is why the quest for Luke is so dire (Rey states this outright in the film). Their ruling style is irrelevant. They are a fascist regime that favors the wealthy and corrupt. The only way the gain power is by leveling whole communities. The goal is to stop them before they can take full control.

And the allies didn’t answer because “the spark has gone out.” Luke reignited the spark. That’s literally the whole point of the climax.

According to the info from the film, the FO will take full control in weeks. That seems a very short time frame for our miniscule group of rebels.

But don’t you understand that it’s not just the “minuscule” group anymore by the end because of Luke?

The thing is, who else was there to witness Jake’s actions? No one except the FO and the remaining 20 or so reliance / rebel fighters left at the end. Who is going to listen to and believe them when no one took heed in TFA when they were thousands strong and trying to warn of an imminent threat to the entire New Republic who were only there in the first place because of the efforts of Leia, Han, Luke and the rebellion? If no one came to their aid then or after the destruction of those 5 planets OR after they broadcast a call for help near the end of TLJ in the aftermath of what the FO clearly represent for the future of the Galaxy, who the hell are going to help them in IX when they are a handful of rugged people on a single small ship?

.Val

The scuttlebutt about what Luke did is going to spread through the ranks of the FO like wildfire.
Jake who? 😉

So from here ren probably knows that luke is dead so that just gives The FO and advantage because Han is dead,Luke is dead and Rey is untrained.Unless the rebellion have a plan of where to go, they don’t appear to have a chance.

I get exactly what you mean except the fact that Rey is untrained bears little logical weight in Disney’s SW as to the chances of the Rebels somehow coming out of top of the FO. If anything, they are entirely leaning and relying on Rey to get them out of this predicament and completely turns things around. In a little under a 2-3 weeks Rey has gone from a scrap collector to the best chance of the newly re-formed gang of 20 rebels and somehow it seems the only possibility the next film has to take the story forward.

Yeah but I now recall from reading above that rey did seem to have the original Jedi text in the falcon so that could be her trainer?

Ren would’ve sensed that Luke’s life had come to an end so he knows that the only “Major person” to defend the rebellion would be Rey (If In IX Leia makes no appearance). However Rey is not fully trained to ren’s ability and has no trainer, even though their duels have been really close with rey sometimes coming on top, theoretically Ren should win. Another thing was the heat between Hux and Ren. This could be foreshadowing a civil war or split between then FO with Hux turning on Ren. That goes without saying rey is strong with the force which ,like all movie endings, will make a happy (ier) ending.

In space currently the rebellion have only the millennium falcon so if a squadron of tie fighters somehow found them then the chances of their survival are slim.

SilverWook said:

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.

“The Rebellion is reborn today.”

The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.

Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.

Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.

Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.

If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.

First of all, the FO does not control the galaxy yet. They are in the process of picking up the pieces during the course of TLJ, that is why the quest for Luke is so dire (Rey states this outright in the film). Their ruling style is irrelevant. They are a fascist regime that favors the wealthy and corrupt. The only way the gain power is by leveling whole communities. The goal is to stop them before they can take full control.

And the allies didn’t answer because “the spark has gone out.” Luke reignited the spark. That’s literally the whole point of the climax.

According to the info from the film, the FO will take full control in weeks. That seems a very short time frame for our miniscule group of rebels.

But don’t you understand that it’s not just the “minuscule” group anymore by the end because of Luke?

The thing is, who else was there to witness Jake’s actions? No one except the FO and the remaining 20 or so reliance / rebel fighters left at the end. Who is going to listen to and believe them when no one took heed in TFA when they were thousands strong and trying to warn of an imminent threat to the entire New Republic who were only there in the first place because of the efforts of Leia, Han, Luke and the rebellion? If no one came to their aid then or after the destruction of those 5 planets OR after they broadcast a call for help near the end of TLJ in the aftermath of what the FO clearly represent for the future of the Galaxy, who the hell are going to help them in IX when they are a handful of rugged people on a single small ship?

.Val

The scuttlebutt about what Luke did is going to spread through the ranks of the FO like wildfire.
Jake who? 😉

So from here ren probably knows that luke is dead so that just gives The FO and advantage because Han is dead,Luke is dead and Rey is untrained.Unless the rebellion have a plan of where to go, they don’t appear to have a chance.

NeverarGreat said:

ElectroDroid said:

darthrush said:

My preferred Episode 9 would be Chewie dying with the Falcon, Finn dying, Hux trying to overthrow Kylo, Luke haunting Kylo, and I have no idea what they should do with Rey.

Overall, I’m not super excited since TLJ tied up so many plot threads.

The thing is, it seems like Rey’s arc is over to me. She seems to be in the same place Luke was at the end of ROTJ.

This is why I’m hopeful for 9, since Rian turned ROTJ into the end of the middle chapter of the saga, complete with a philosophical quandary. How can a person become a Jedi and return hope to the galaxy while also knowing that the Jedi as a religious institution must end? Either she becomes a Jedi and goes against Luke’s wishes (and perhaps dooms the galaxy in the process), or she goes her own way and fails to inspire hope (for the galaxy is still in love with the Jedi).

As long as this trilogy continues to be a meta-commentary on Star Wars fandom itself, I’ll be satisfied.

I agree but rey has no way to learn the force apart from with kylo (he doesn’t know enough himself) because leia’s gone and luke is aswell.

Zak fett said:

Zak fett said:

DZ-330 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Why would they rename the Resistance the Second Rebel Alliance? That’s pointless and confusing. As much as I would love to see a new generation of Jedi, Lucasfilm clearly doesn’t care for that. Why would Leia be killed offscreen?

They already renamed it and called them the Rebels in TLJ and a track on the soundtrack is “The Rebellion Is Reborn”… so blame Rian on that one. How else would you handle Leia? They said she would not be in the movie.

Zak fett said:

DZ-330 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Why would they rename the Resistance the Second Rebel Alliance? That’s pointless and confusing. As much as I would love to see a new generation of Jedi, Lucasfilm clearly doesn’t care for that. Why would Leia be killed offscreen?

They already renamed it and called them the Rebels in TLJ and a track on the soundtrack is “The Rebellion Is Reborn”… so blame Rian on that one. How else would you handle Leia? They said she would not be in the movie.

They’ll probably have to say that Leia is on a separate mission she died

DZ-330 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Why would they rename the Resistance the Second Rebel Alliance? That’s pointless and confusing. As much as I would love to see a new generation of Jedi, Lucasfilm clearly doesn’t care for that. Why would Leia be killed offscreen?

They already renamed it and called them the Rebels in TLJ and a track on the soundtrack is “The Rebellion Is Reborn”… so blame Rian on that one. How else would you handle Leia? They said she would not be in the movie.