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#1426370
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New re-releases of The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy
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Lucas the Barbarian said:

I don’t have this set yet, but I hope they’re at least right about the color grading being an improvement over the first Blu-ray.

Fellowship doesn’t have a green blanket tint anymore, but they’ve made new changes like vignette effects and desaturation in flashback scenes and such. Even the shots where Galadriel gives her gifts to the Fellowship have blur around the edges. I think our best hope is to stick to fan color correction projects using old sources!

EDIT: I was just sent this by Dwalin: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/13429
Apparently Fellowship has its share of small changes too. Frodo’s pimple is suddenly gone!

EDIT 2: Another one Dwalin found: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/13445
I’m just… speechless.

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#1426046
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New re-releases of The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy
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Yeah, this release in basically crapping all over his legacy.

I remember I was beyond happy when I got the original DVD boxes with the extended versions and bonus material, and by the way, I have never ever seen such interesting documentaries about films before. They made me appreciate them even more. But back then DVD was the standard and I had a CRT TV. It’s sad they messed up Fellowship in the extended blu-ray release but at least the other two used the same masters, or it sure looks like it. When I saw that release I wished there would be some old HD broadcast of the old master but I think none existed.

I’m glad some people around here have been working hard on fixing Fellowship. The news of UHD versions gave me hope but that was lost after taking a quick look at them.

Apparently they’re re-releasing the extended trilogy on blu-ray later this year but I bet that just means it’s pure downscales of their new, awful “remasters”.

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#1425853
Topic
New re-releases of The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy
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Anyone else who thinks Peter Lu… Jackson has turned into someone familiar?
I was hoping to see the original look of each movie with way better quality. But they didn’t just de-grain them and add edge enhancement, they even went so far as to do small things like remove some smoke here, light up some tiny area there, vignette effects on flashback shots and so on. Of course the biggest sin was to alter the colors yet again. This time not just with the first movie. Not to mention The Hobbit Trilogy which they claim was shot with 4K digital cameras yet the UHD versions are plain upscales of the blu-rays with altered colors and all that other stuff.

“The thing with 4K is not just to go for pristine sharpness,” he says, “it is to preserve the cinematic look of it at the same time as everything becoming crisp.”

https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/13348

Good job, Peter. 😄

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#1422605
Topic
Help with donations for an old member/friend?
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DMC said:

Wishing you and your mother all the best. May the force be with you

Thank you and the same to you!

JadedSkywalker said:

I sent you ten dollars. But i had a hard time selecting a donation, so it came up as a purchase for some reason maybe i have no idea what i’m doing. I’m a noob with paypal haven’t used it regularly in years.

Well however you did it, it worked! Thank you so much. 😃

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#1422353
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Help with donations for an old member/friend?
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Wow, thank you so much to all of you for your donations and kind words. My mother has never been into the internet or computers much but she knows I used to be part of a community where I did some color work and stuff. And even though she’s not as much into science fiction or fantasy as me she still has quite a good taste for movies. Among her all-time favorites are Ben-Hur and The Green Mile to just name a couple. At the time of typing this she’s asleep but I’m 100% sure she’d send lots of thanks and wishes of luck for all of you.

CatBus said:

I’m not really in the position to offer money at the moment, but I can offer a testimonial for those who don’t remember You_Too well.

No worries, kind words can really light up one’s day too. Thank you so much!

CatBus said:

He gave me the initial Nordic language translations for Project Threepio, which are still in use today for Norwegian and Danish.

I only remember I gave you the Swedish subtitles! Glad they all came to good use. 😃

oojason said:

Hi You_Too,

I’m going to move this into ‘Star Wars Preservations’ a little later today - where it may get more traffic and attention (and also where more members likely remember your contributions on here over the years).

Thank you! I put it here since I didn’t even know if it would be appropriate to even post it. But I can clearly see my old friends didn’t forget about me!

oojason said:

You’ll always be appreciated on here.

I don’t know what to say other than thank you. I appreciate still being able to come back after all this time and see the results of the amazing work everyone’s been doing. All the 35mm scans, all the new fan edits and restorations… To think I spent hours and hours every day on the GOUT! I’m glad you all kept the spirit (or the force) alive.

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#1422120
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Help with donations for an old member/friend?
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Thank you so much! Both of you.
As for the welfare system let’s just say the “official version” is taken straight from the 70’s when it was actually good and not as many were left behind. There are hundreds of thousands like me and my mother, sadly.
Feel free to share our story with anyone. And of course, there are tons of other things that I’d personally love to donate to on gofundme. I wish for a day to come when I can.

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#1421965
Topic
Help with donations for an old member/friend?
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Hi everyone.
When I came back and made some comments in the Fellowship Of The Ring color restoration threads some people seemed happy to see me and it just felt great. I got some PM’s too and it all just felt like I was an old friend who returned from a long holiday. With everything that’s been done since I was around I didn’t think many would even remember.

Some may even think I have something against them since I removed all Facebook friends a few years back in an anxiety attack after my half-sister told me she never wants us to have any kind of contact anymore, simply because I’m ill. Society considers me dead weight and so did my own sister which I forgive her for, of course. At the same time I just quit contacting the few people I had a bit closer contact with as well, like Dark Jedi who I worked with a lot here on OT and a few others who I can’t remember the usernames of. Real life was just too much to allow for social things on the internet so I thought: “If anyone really wants to contact me they will.” In fact, the more social contact I had the more tired I got. In the end, what hurt most was that people who used to be my closest friends in real life quit contacting me just because Facebook didn’t remind them of my birthday anymore or whatever. (I don’t care about birthdays but you get it!)

I have no idea how this thread will be received. Probably with mixed reactions. I don’t even know if I’m allowed to post something like this around here but the guidelines didn’t seem to have anything against it.

I tend to type walls of text so unlike what I’m about to link I’ll keep this short: Someone you might or might not remember is in a very, very bad situation right now and it will only get worse. You can read about it here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-us-survive-hjalp-oss-overleva

I didn’t create that fundraiser to force people to donate because they might know me or anything. In fact, I haven’t sent it to anyone except I posted it at the Ehlers-Danlos Support Group on Facebook but all members there are fighting the same fight more or less and I think they would all need donations.

I remember people used to donate to Poita to be able to buy 35mm scans from Ebay and then he shared the results with everyone, it was great! I’m not sure if anyone ever asked for a personal donation but here I am.

At the same time I’ll make this very clear: Even if you read my and my mother’s story you don’t have to donate. If you believe in anything, pray for us. Just leave a heartwarming comment. Anything. Money isn’t everything though sadly, it’s needed way too much.

Also, if you wish to donate but can’t use that website feel free to send me a PM for a paypal address.

Either way, kind words, donations, they will all be worth the same and I thank you all in advance. And I thank you all for the past experiences around here. You really made me feel appreciated. Thanks and God bless you all! And may the force be with you. 😉

(Should this thread violate any rules then please, simply remove it)

EDIT: If you wish to donate and gofundme is a hassle, the following works too: paypal.me/YThelpus

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#1417076
Topic
44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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Hey! While I’ve been too ill and tired to look through all pages I just wanted to post again and say thank you! It’s really nice to have the extended version in higher resolution with its original colors.

It’s been a long time since I worked with restoring movies but if I have any constructive criticizm it would be - mind that it’s just my opinion - first of all: There is a bit too much grain in the highlights sometimes. Like when Arwen appears in light and speaks to Frodo. Maybe it was necessary to cover the DNR in the theatrical blu-ray shots but yeah, in the highlights it looks a bit too visible and sharp. And don’t get me wrong, I’d take this version over any other, any day!

(Dwalin’s version was fine too though it suffers from the downsides of the messed up contrast and colors of the extended blu-ray like the artifacts in the sky of the wide landscape shots after the Fellowship leaves Rivendell, or Aragorn’s skin being cyan-tinted when looking out the window from the Prancing Pony. Dwalin did a great job matching shots anyway though I’d always make sure the black level is always black which can be extra tough.)

And second: Some of the extended version’s shots are oversharpened already in the source. Example: https://i.imgur.com/K7EIZvE.png
Then the sharp grain on top of that makes it look even more oversharpened! I’d blur such scenes just a tiny bit before applying that grain.

Then I saw a difference in two shots of Galadriel that comes after each other. First one looks great and the second looks like a DVD upscale, has slightly different colors and no grain added on top of it. Not sure what happened there: https://imgur.com/a/nv3x9oS

Hope you’ll make a shot by shot correction based on the upcoming blu-ray release! (if it’s like the old extended blu-ray minus all the color changes they made and the awful green tint)

Again, thank you so much for this version!

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#1397984
Topic
44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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Posting this here too since it seems there are multiple projects going on:

Hey, just stopping by to say to everyone involved in this, especially the color restoration of Fellowship: THANK YOU!
I found it just a few days ago “by accident”, and I thought it must have come from the guys on this forum.

Back when they released the extended versions on blu-ray, (Around 2011 or so?) I made an own attempt of just doing a one setting for the entire film script in avisynth and it’s pathetic compared to what you guys achieved here. Finally, we can all watch Fellowship the way it looked and should look. I removed my old files with a smile on my face. 😃

I know they released a 4K upscale of both the LOTR and Hobbit trilogies (yes, upscale) but they changed the color timing in every single one, as far as I know. Choosing upscale instead of an actual 4K source is a bad move no matter where or when, but I still lack the hardware to view 4K material so I’m happy with what I have.

Sorry for not being around often anymore. Still having extreme health issues and no light at the end of the tunnel in sight. But glad to see you guys still keep the strong spirit of movie-preservation alive!

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#1397685
Topic
LOTR EE Color Restoration: The Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers (Released)
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Hey, just stopping by to say to everyone involved in this, especially the color restoration of Fellowship: THANK YOU!
I found it just a few days ago “by accident”, and I thought it must have come from the guys on this forum.

Back when they released the extended versions on blu-ray, (Around 2011 or so?) I made an own attempt of just doing a one setting for the entire film script in avisynth and it’s pathetic compared to what you guys achieved here. Finally, we can all watch Fellowship the way it looked and should look. I removed my old files with a smile on my face. 😃

I know they released a 4K upscale of both the LOTR and Hobbit trilogies (yes, upscale) but they changed the color timing in every single one, as far as I know. Choosing upscale instead of an actual 4K source is a bad move no matter where or when, but I still lack the hardware to view 4K material so I’m happy with what I have.

Sorry for not being around often anymore. Still having extreme health issues and no light at the end of the tunnel in sight. But glad to see you guys still keep the strong spirit of movie-preservation alive!

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#1258468
Topic
4K83 - Released
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hairy_hen said:
The best possible version of the 35mm stereo mix can be produced by using the early US laserdisc (since it has the most dynamic range) and adjusting its EQ to match the print/SWE versions. That way you get the best of both worlds; the greater dynamics and the correct frequency balance. This is exactly what I did for the 35mm soundtrack on Despecialized v2.5, but I haven’t yet put out one like this that is synced to 4K83.

You might know this already but it can be done almost automatically in Izotope RX with the “EQ match”. Not sure how accurate the result is though since I don’t have an expensive audio setup to compare it with, but I know that piece of software is amazing.

hairy_hen said:
I will release a track like that at some point soon, but for the moment, I would recommend using the SWE version, because it sounds extremely similar to the print audio, but with better quality.

I’m not sure if the SWE version was included in the myspleen release (is it the 1993 LD audio?) but I think I’m just gonna settle with the optical for now, it sounds great!

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#1258352
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4K83 - Released
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First of all, Williarob: For being home made, I could still swear you had used a real professional scanner for 4K77 and 4K83! Amazing job.

Interesting, the LPP does seem to have a lot more blue in it, but also more preserved yellows.

And Dre, you’re great at what you do as well. I’ll keep an eye on your upcoming color correction projects. 😃

I hope it’s ok I keep asking some things here. It’s just so interesting since I’ve been away from these things for a few years and to come back and see actual prints being restored like this is a joy.

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#1258219
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4K83 - Released
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Williarob said:

Harmy’s Grindhouse was from a different print than our LPP.

I don’t know how much, if any, color correction was applied to our LPP: I received it as a Bluray ISO. I would imagine at least some basic color correction was done, but it would have been applied on a reel by reel (or even one setting for the whole film). I’m hoping to get access to a better version of the scan soon - not for the purpose of restoration, but for use as a color reference.

I see. Your version looks like a great color reference based on those shots at least. Would be interesting to see some other random shots from the entire movie. 😃

Oh and about the audio: What would be the best, technically speaking, the optical audio or that US LD 1983 mix? When comparing them, the optical sounds more “full”, more bass in it.

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#1258167
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4K83 - Released
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I’m sorry, I had no idea that there were two separate prints!
So the one that has been shared before was the LPP and you based your 4K83 on this Eastman print?
The image quality of 4K83 is amazing, but those LPP shots you posted have none of the color errors I noticed in the 4K83. Subtitles are balanced white without any visible tints, the shot of the barge in the desert is warm which I imagined it to be.
So basically, you’re saying that the Eastman print was more preserved than the LPP except for the colors, and you chose to base your restoration on it because of the resolution? Is the scan of the LPP not in 4K since it wasn’t used instead?

What ChainsawAsh said is something that would’ve been nice if it could be done shot by shot, unless someone restores that LPP print in the same way. Really interesting either way.

EDIT: I forgot to ask: Has that LPP print went through any color correction too or is it raw?

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#1258063
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4K83 - Released
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Now that I have the entire file, something that caught my interest is the colors (what a surprise, right?) and how different they are from what I expected in some scenes. I don’t have the grindhouse version since I needed to keep some free space for these new ones, but I’d be grateful if someone could post these frames (or just any frame from the same shots) from the raw scan or grindhouse version:

This one looks more or less the way I expected, just a little brighter maybe.


This one looks quite ok with the subtitles being white with just a tiny green tint to them.


These two have cyan subtitles and whites, this is interesting as well.


I expected this shot to be a lot warmer, and that whole scene since it’s set in the desert. Of course that’s based on all the previous versions of ROTJ!

Overall, the quality of both the picture and audio of this release is simply stunning. Good job everyone!

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#1257787
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4K83 - Released
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ChainsawAsh said:
It should also be noted that while two “1985 Home Video Mix” files are included in the Alternate Audio folder, they’re actually the same as the 1983 theatrical mix, of which Schorman says the one marked “1983 - Stereo (US Source)” is the best quality.

Thanks, so both the Japan and US ones are from 1985 LD releases? Looking forward to compare them.

schorman13 said:
It’s not really an alternate. I just posted it individually in case anyone might like to download the track by itself, without the rest of 4K83. I named it “[Cleaned]” because I worked on it, and I don’t want it to be confused with the untouched audio, which I didn’t share, but could if anyone really wanted it.

Thanks, the ac3 file might work better with my blu-ray player. Good to know they’re the same. The main track that I heard when previewing the mkv sounded great.

It would be interesting to hear some comparison samples of before and after your cleanup though. 😃

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#1257588
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4K83 - Released
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I haven’t finished downloading this yet but I have some questions about the audio. Sorry if they’ve already been clearly answered, I’m too tired to read through the thread at the moment.

What’s the difference between the optical audio track packed in the mkv file and the “cleaned” one?
And are there any digital tracks that actually matches the theatrical stereo audio? I see the 1993 LD track is there but weren’t all the 1993 LD mixes altered? The 1983 Japan and US sources, are they from LDs too?

The image quality is great by the way, managed to preview a bit of it. 😃

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#1242030
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4K77 - Released
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Anyway, I gotta admit I haven’t checked the other threads so maybe there’s a better place if we should keep discussing color correction? I don’t wanna get too off topic. 😃
On the other hand, it’s really nice that all of the colors are preserved so well in 4K77 that we can even create corrections based on the reference using the 1080p version which is “compressed” both in color space and resolution.

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#1241785
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4K77 - Released
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Your corrections are really nice too!
I hadn’t looked at the reference before altering the bar scene shots, the colors are hues are pretty much correct but I chose the gamma curve based on preference. Remember, I’ve watched 4K77 a lot so I’m a bit biased when it comes to Star Wars with strong colors and tints. 😃

When looking at the reference for the bar scene, it should apparently look even darker when projected. A bit too dark for my taste but this is very close to how the shot of Obi-wan and Luke looks in the reference, except I balanced the black and white levels around the mids which makes it look cleaner:

I’m pretty sure I would’ve gone with something brighter if I “corrected” it.

As for the wide shot of the stormtroopers and “the gang” in the speeder, (I’ve always loved this shot for some reason) this is almost exactly what it looks like in the reference:

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#1241601
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4K77 - Released
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DrDre said:
The scan itself is not a very reliable color reference

You’re right. After digging into it, the 4K77 isn’t perfectly matched to the reference some of us had access to long ago. Either way, I made my shot that bright to match it to the frame from SkyMaster edition so they could be compared. The hue, however was left untouched after balancing the white and black points while leaving the mid balance as it was. When I looked at a piece of reference material and changed the gamma curve to look more like it, my hue wasn’t very far off from the reference. And knowing the reference had the pink tint unfixed and not balanced black and white points, my shot still came out pretty much correct in colors, just way too bright in the comparison with SkyMaster.

Here’s a comparison of a cropped version of a reference shot and my version, only gamma changed to match it, still same hue as in the one I posted above:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120775

A quote from the source of this reference shot, where it’s confirmed it’s how it looked like when projected. Not gonna post the full quote for reasons that are obvious to some of us “oldies”. 😃

Someone said:
then that’s as good a reference as any for what it “should look like,” which is really “how it was projected.”

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#1241526
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4K77 - Released
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DrDre said:
Actually, I think a lot of detail is missing in that shot, and it’s overall too bright, and too yellow in my view. If I had to wager a guess, I would go with something like this:

No detail missing in my version since I didn’t crush the whites or blacks. Your version is closer to what it looked like when it was shot, my correction examples are aimed on keeping the theatrical color timing. What I meant was that the SkyMaster edition isn’t keeping the mid balance of the Tech print thus creating a different color. I’ve often found that by leaving the midpoint alone and only adjusting white and black points and gamma curve, you can often get the “correct” theatrical look of each shot if you’d want to.

Anyway, I found lots of errors with the SkyMaster preview. It had crushed whites, it wasn’t a screenshot error. The DNR overall looks superior to the official DNR version, but it handles dark scenes badly. (The official DNR version looks great too of course, except for the automatic color balance in each shot but that’s my opinion since I love the theatrical look and I’m so much into colors) There are lots of artifacts in the dark scenes in the SkyMaster preview. Note that these are errors with the DNR filter, not criticizm from me! 😃 Pointing them out might help?
Some examples, SkyMaster with 4K77 on mouseover: (Couldn’t upload all in a single post for some reason)
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120755 (the right guard’s glove)
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120756 (the stuff flying off the table and highlights on the wall pipes)
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120757 (Obi-wan’s saber hilt on the right side of the picture)
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120758 (Details in Obi-wan’s face, reflections in his eyes, some weird thing on the right side of him)
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120759 (The opening between the two people in the back on the right side)

I also think it looks kinda strange to basically use a blanket tint in the scene where they talk to Han. It removes almost all the color from the picture.
Here are a couple comparisons with SkyMaster vs my own color corrections. (Once again leaving the midpoint to keep the theatrical color and just balancing the rest)
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120760
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120761
Notice how the blanket tint in SkyMaster removes most of the difference between the lip and skin color, the eye color and so on. Of course, this is my opinion and not trying to bash this version. If this is the look they want, it’s their choice. 😃

Here’s those two shots from 4K77 compared to my corrections, to give an idea of what it could all look like if someone ever did a proper shot by shot correction. (Which would of course take a horrible amount of work. I still think the 4K77 looks amazing as it is!) I used the 1080p version for my corrections since it’s the only version I have, so if you see any compression artifacts it’s just because the source isn’t lossless. Whites and blacks were balanced while keeping the mid balance and altering the gamma curve.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120762
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120764

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#1241290
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4K77 - Released
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Williarob said:
In the meantime, there is a spin off project called “The Skywalker Edition” that uses 4K77 as a jumping off point and may be closer to what you had in mind:

I’m gonna watch the preview and see what it looks like. The screenshot has nice details but is slightly too green and the whites are crushed. But I suspect this is a case of conversion between 16-235 and 0-255 that has caused it. It’s also more cropped, but that’s understandable if it’s based on more sources.

If I do the same kind of fix to that shot from 4K77, (Balance the white point but keep the mid balance and alter the gamma a bit) it comes out like this: