Yoda Is Your Father

SilverWook said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

Nobody has ever seen a Star Wars movie without a John Williams score so I guess this is a first for us all! We’ll have to wait an see. No doubt opinions will be mixed.

I for one can’t imagine it ‘feeling like star wars’ without the music, but I’m game to give it a go.

cough cough

Does that not feature the theme? (I haven’t seen it),

Caravan of Courage on the other hand… I forgot about that!

TV’s Frink said:

Burping alien outside Jabba’s palace, anyone?

I like that bit 😃

DominicCobb said:

I actually had the chance to meet Oscar Isaac at an advanced screening of Inside Llewyn Davis but it was first one first serve and I didn’t show up early enough to get in (long story). One of the saddest days of my life.

That sucks! He seems super cool.

DominicCobb said:

Had a dream last night that I met Mark Hamill and he was awesome.

I reckon Hamill would be awesome too. I’d love to meet him.

I think I like Star Wars more when I stay out of the Star Wars discussion threads 😦

Padme said:

I have met carrie fisher, Mark hamill, Billy dee williams, Ray park, anthony daniels, Peter mayhew, jj abrams, Jake Lloyd and Ahmed best. I think that’s it. Will post some pix next time. 😃

Boom! That improves our list dramatically!

Ahmed Best doesn’t count though 😉

suspiciouscoffee said:

Will these anthology films have a crawl? Like one without an episode number but still having the title?

I was wondering that myself.

Tobar said:

joefavs said:

All I know is that Alexandre Desplat is doing the score. The only work of his that I can recall without looking up is The Grand Budapest Hotel. I actually loved that score, but that was all central European folk music, so there’s no way that’s any indication of what his Star Wars will sound like.

He was brought in to replace John Williams for the Harry Potter films.

Here’s a sampling of some of his work.

He could be interesting.

Nobody has ever seen a Star Wars movie without a John Williams score so I guess this is a first for us all! We’ll have to wait an see. No doubt opinions will be mixed.

I for one can’t imagine it ‘feeling like star wars’ without the music, but I’m game to give it a go.

Has anybody heard anything about the music in Rogue One? Will it ‘sound like’ a Star Wars film or will they try something new?

It stuck me this morning that if they are going to be making lots of these anthology films, the classic Star Wars music could get a bit… old. But then if they don’t use it, it could be a bit… weird.

Thoughts?

Great post. I actually agree with a lot of what you’ve said (and even though I loved the movie, I expect you’re right about repeat viewings much later down the line).

I do wonder though - if they hadn’t acknowledged the history and heroed those moments in the way they did, would we feel unsatisfied in a different way? They had a choice to either do it or not do it, and they chose to do it. Arguably they made the wrong decision, but equally the opposite decision could have backfired.

It was always going to be a bit of a lose/lose situation for whoever made this film. As I said, I agree with your points, but I’m not sure if I (and the rest of the audience) would have preferred it the other way. Do we want the re-introduction of the falcon to pass without fanfare? Or Han and Chewie to walk back into our lives with no sense of event? Unfortunately we’ll never know, because the film is how it is.

Anchorhead said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:
A semen and dog shit sandwich for lunch is ‘original’, but I’ll take good ol’ ham and cheese any day of the week.

Reel it in.

Guilty as charged. Apologies.

Mithrandir said:

You are the one who claims to have worked in the industry

I don’t claim to work in the industry. I work in advertising, not film. I was very clear that I work in a different industry, and therefore do not profess to know better than JJ, Kasdan, et al. In fact, that was my whole point.

Mithrandir said:

but refuses to enlighten us with your overwhelming knowledge

See above. I have never claimed to have overwhelming knowledge, which is exactly why I’m not spouting the same film school 101 stuff that some people are.

Mithrandir said:

I don’t know how you personally feel with your studies, but what you propose is just as if no one could give his thought on a building without being an architect.

Everybody is entitled to an opinion. I just don’t believe that anybody here is HONESTLY of the opinion that the prequels are good movies. Even if you feel it’s possible to argue that they are superior in terms of originality and structure etc, they fail in the most basic ways like being an enjoyable way to spend two hours. I think arguing the case for the prequels on a TFA review thread is just argumentative posturing, using knowledge to assert a differing opinion for the sake of it. That’s not discussion, that’s antagonising and being contrary.

And to use your building/architect analogy, of course, people can look at a building and say ‘I don’t like it, it’s ugly’ or whatever, but they probably shouldn’t start giving advice on how to structurally improve it. I’m also pretty sure that if they had a go at designing and erecting that building themselves, it would fall down - because actually making a building is different to reading a book about it.

Mithrandir said:

Just for the sake of curiosity, do you deem more important to know the difference between the technical capabilities of two camera-objectives than to know what do you intend to do with the camera? The former requires a certain training in optics and perspective, the latter is widely opinable even if you never handled a camera. Because it only needs some attention and a rational mind. That’s why everyone can criticize but a few can perform.

Knowledge builds itself concentrically from what’s general to what’s particular. Among other things, two movies can have the same plot and different details. Because when your mind processes stuff and makes a classification, details are the first things it discards.

Show off 😉

Mithrandir said:

But really man, everyone is entitled to its own opinion, the point is that everyone can and should give his own view in a forum. Get off the pony.

Cool. Point taken. My opinion is that people on this board who claim to prefer the prequels over TFA are either nuts or lying. Maybe both.

Well, I just popped on here for my nightly internet LOLZ and looks like I got them.

I’m off to read my ‘Art of The Force Awakens’ book because I like seeing the love and thought that went into the movie to make it feel like Star Wars.

Bye.

What’s lazier than ‘lazy scriptwriting’?

Dissing other people’s scripts instead of writing your own.

Post Praetorian said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

I honestly can’t believe that anybody claiming to be a Star Wars fan could genuinely think that AOTC or any of the prequels is better than TFA.

I am not doing so out of a sheer sense of misplaced humor if that is what you might be suspecting…my frustration is genuine…and the realization that it has brought to mind is equally so.

You are actually serious. You actually prefer the prequels to TFA. Lunacy.

Post Praetorian said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

I would rather watch the Rathtar scene from TFA on repeat for two hours than have to sit through one viewing of the droid factory scene where CGI threepio get his head stuck on a battle droid.

I would rather watch a film with more space/droid battles than one in which yet another Death Star is blown up with even less rationale than the prior two efforts…

You’re nuts mate. It doesn’t matter how ‘original’ the prequels are. They were long-winded, boring cartoons filled with bad dialogue, convoluted plots, and terrible, all-style-no-substance set pieces. In addition to being bad in their own right, they also damaged the original trilogy by ret-conning key characters and moments.

A semen and dog shit sandwich for lunch is ‘original’, but I’ll take good ol’ ham and cheese any day of the week.

Judging from some of the posts I’ve seen, there are a lot of guys here who either study film, work in film, or teach film - genuine, educated fans of the medium we call cinema. No true lover of cinema can honestly believe (or successfully argue) that the prequels are good movies. They just can’t. they can try, but they’re wrong. This is not a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of fact.

All I can assume is there are some people here who either a) like to show off their ‘superior’ knowledge of film theory by championing a contrary view or b) just like to argue.

I’m reeling from the fact that there is even a TFA vs The Prequels debate at all. You guys are cray cray.

Are you actually serious?

The droid factory scene in AOTC was genius compared to nothing. That whole film stinks, and that scene in particular was insanely bad.

Anyway, here’s the old Return of the Jedi posts from 1983…,

http://cinetropolis.net/return-of-the-jedi-and-the-forum-that-time-forgot/

Thanks, I’ll dig around. Somebody must have archived them somewhere.

I honestly can’t believe that anybody claiming to be a Star Wars fan could genuinely think that AOTC or any of the prequels is better than TFA.

I would rather watch the Rathtar scene from TFA on repeat for two hours than have to sit through one viewing of the droid factory scene where CGI threepio get his head stuck on a battle droid.

Please! I’d love to see that.

I remember reading posts from an early version of the web where some guys were discussing ROTJ… Anybody remember that or have the link?

Yeah, great point, darth_ender.

What some people seem to be forgetting is mastery of the force isn’t about doing cool tricks and being a badass, it’s about total self-mastery, of your emotions, of your place in the universe, of the energy that links you to all living things. Like Buddhism. You get people who are yoga enthusiasts and vegan and claim to be Buddhist but then they get angry because they get stuck at a traffic light when they’re in a rush. They are strong in the force but they haven’t quite mastered it yet.

I waffled a bit there but hopefully you get what I mean.

And if anybody says my interpretation of the force is wrong because ‘Midichlorians’ I swear I will hunt you down and throttle you.

Bosk said:

HyperNova said:

Alderaan said:

“Complete his training” is relative. If he’s already enough of a badass to freeze someone in mid-air with his mind at will,

It could be that little trick wasn’t even a Force power.
Maybe it was a piece of technology that created a "stasis shield " around an energie beam.

Maybe is was a glitch in the edit, nope it was just as ridiculous as the rest of the film. I just got over prequelitis, now suffering severe sequelitis.

Even if you hate TFA, which it is your right to do, you can’t possibly think it’s even close to being as bad as the prequels. Can you?!

Yeah everybody on this forum underestimates how good the original movie that kickstarted the original trilogy that we love was. Nobody here even likes it.

Bingowings said:

TV’s Frink said:

The prequels sucked. There’s no way to possibly argue they are good or well-made, even if you don’t think they sucked.

ROTS felt more like Star Wars to me.

Step away from the drugs.

Alderaan said:

hydrospanner said:

Would you have been happier if he just snapped Finn’s neck with the force and then proceeded to decapitate Rey with one swift swing of the blade? Powerful villian wins. Roll credits.

He should have done what he ended up doing to Finn anyway but without getting hit by him. I mean, imagine Han or Lando walking up to Vader with a lightsaber and actually getting in a shot.

This is actualy a really good example and it did give me pause for thought.

But.

As we’ve discussed, Kylo is not Vader. He wants to be, but he isn’t yet, and when Finn faces him, Kylo is weakened mentally and physically.

Also, Han and Lando are both just ‘scoundrels’. They learnt to fight in bar brawls and street fights while Finn is a trained warrior, who may even have had a bit of training in fighting against lightsabers or similar weapons (this is where somebody throws out some EU fact about how Han did a year at the imperial academy or whatever but i’m going to ignore that).

adywan said:

Alderaan said:

There was a moment where Han asked Rey to join his crew, and I thought that was a good scene between them, but it got squashed by her refusal. It would have been so much more effective if her character had wanted to get off Jakku, and a backstory of her loneliness had been played up leading to that moment, and then she accepted Han’s offer. That would have created a far more significant bond between the two of them.

And, if she had wanted to get off Jakku, the complaints would have been that it’s just copying Luke’s story.

The thing with Rey’s story is that she DIDN’T want to leave Jakku. She was ever hopeful that her family would come back to collect her. This was the hope that kept her going. As soon as she was off the planet she needed to go back. She was terrified that they would return and she wouldn’t be there. When Han asked her, you could see she really wanted to join him, but knew that she couldn’t . The hope that they would return wouldn’t let her. It wasn’t until after the force vision and the conversation with Maz, that she came to the realisation that they were never coming back for her.

One thing we should remember when discussing character arcs and the like is that, unlike ANH, TFA designed as a standalone movie. It’s part of an intended trilogy. Character arcs will be completed over three films. That’s just the way that big blockbusters work these days - they are written as 6 hour films split into 3 parts, rather than 3 self-contained (but sequential) 2 hour films.

Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

3. Then the other Astromech poops out conveniently so that R2 can be purchased

This isn’t a plot convenience, it was dramatic intent. Owen could have purchased both R2 and 3PO and the scene would have been over, but it would have been less effective. After the droids went through so much and were separated and then reunited, the possibility they might be separated again pulls on your heart strings a little bit.

This argument can (and should) be applied to TFA (and most works of fiction).