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Master Lawdog said:

TDS91939 said:

Watching an Anime of a New Hope would be a guilty pleasure. The Lightsaber fights would be intense

The prequels already reached a very intense type of battles, the anime is not very graphic when they want to turn Star Wars into an anime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib_4A2CG2Ag

Mmm, a Star Wars anime doesn’t fit, attempts to turn Star Wars into anime always fall into the typical clichés, highly stylized eyes to make everyone look Japanese, Darth Vader too fat, or Luke looking like a big eyed kid whose sole purpose is to freak out like everything is cool, it doesn’t fit at all, if they make an anime adaptation of Star Wars, it shouldn’t look like an anime, it should have more JoJo’s style animation or something that really sets it apart from the rest, not a blatant copy of My Hero Academia with Star Wars characters.

Shadow98 said:

The guy with no name may be able to help find the bad shots. He worked on a remaster of the 2020 Blu-ray of Star Wars and fixed many of the known problems, including detail loss, static grain and displaced power windows.

Since his project was never officially released, but he is still active, you might ask him if he knows a list of problematic shots on the UHD Blu-ray or if he could even provide finished, fixed shots.
If you would like to find out more, here is the link to the project: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/STAR-WARS-EPISODE-IV-2020-4K-blu-ray-Remastered-WIP/id/99662/
Maybe that would make the work for v3.0 a little easier. 😃

In fact, on the ESB Despecialized forum I already told Harmy that TGWNN is working on that remastering of the 2020 Blu-Ray adding details that were erased by the strong DNR and that only exist in the 2011 BR, currently he is working on 4K77 remaster, but I could ask him for a list of scenes where the 2011 BR looks better to fix the 2020 one, although the best thing would be to rotoscope those elements that look better in the 2011 BR to add them to the 2020 BR, since they are usually background elements like the rubber walls of the Millennium Falcon, since other elements that are closer in the 2020 BR usually look better.

Harmy said:

YAREL_RGP said:

Harmy said:

And some recomposited shots that were only done in 2004, like the imperial fleet introduction.

Hello Harmy, I don’t know if it’s too late to ask this, but if you end up doing a ROTJ 3.2, and when you have to do ANH AND ESB 3.0, will you do DNR to the 4K Blu-Ray image to carefully eliminate the static grain from these masters like Adywan and That guy with no name are doing in their projects, and then add non-static fine grain back to it to make the image less dirty? Or are you just going to add grain on top of the image without cleaning the static grain first?

If someone did that and released a regrained version, I’d be super happy to use it as a source but I really can’t see myself doing that for three entire movies myself, it’s just too time consuming.

I think Adywan is going to release his ROTJ color correction before Revisited, which has the grain corrected, if you ever make a ROTJ 3.2 you could use this version and then add your colors. If you want to do it when it comes out of course. By the way, TGWNN is working on a 2020 4K Blu-Ray remaster of ANH that also fixes this issue and adds details from the 2011 Blu-Ray that were erased by the 4K DNR. Although this project will take a long time as he is working on another project of 4K77.

Harmy said:

And some recomposited shots that were only done in 2004, like the imperial fleet introduction.

Hello Harmy, I don’t know if it’s too late to ask this, but if you end up doing a ROTJ 3.2, and when you have to do ANH AND ESB 3.0, will you do DNR to the 4K Blu-Ray image to carefully eliminate the static grain from these masters like Adywan and That guy with no name are doing in their projects, and then add non-static fine grain back to it to make the image less dirty? Or are you just going to add grain on top of the image without cleaning the static grain first?

Harmy said:

And some recomposited shots that were only done in 2004, like the imperial fleet introduction.
Hello Harmy, I don’t know if it’s too late to ask this, but if you end up doing a ROTJ 3.2, and when you have to do ANH AND ESB 3.0, will you do DNR to the 4K Blu-Ray image to carefully eliminate the static grain from these masters like Adywan and That guy with no name are doing in their projects, and then add non-static fine grain back to it to make the image less dirty? Or are you just going to add grain on top of the image without cleaning the static grain first?

CatBus said:

One of the true 1977 mixes has been on home video – pre-1985 releases of Star Wars have the 1977 stereo mix. The best quality audio of the 1977 stereo mix was from a pan & scan Japanese Laserdisc, and is included with most preservations.

In terms of dialogue, there’s no difference between the 1977 stereo and 1993 mixes. In terms of sound effects, the obvious one is the shattering glass sounds during the cell block shootout. A lot of fans (myself included) think of these additions as precursors to the Special Editions – the 1985 mix was at least a mashup of the various theatrical mixes, but the 1993 mix brought in stuff that was never in the films before. I’m sure there are other changes too, but I just don’t listen to the 93 mix that much (for that reason).

As far as sound quality goes, the 93 mix is probably technically the best-sounding official Star Wars mix ever made. But I just can’t get past the non-theatrical elements, so I prefer the 77 mixes (hairy_hen’s six-channel reconstruction is my favorite).

I know this thread is 4 years old but I have a question, is the audio track on the 1993 Laserdisc PCM?

How is the project going? looks pretty good

Funcha said:

I actually looked into this a bit more and there apparently is something called THX Media Director metadata added to these releases. But apparently the only way to access it is via players with built in THX Media Director circuits, of which I have no idea if there are any.

Considering how poorly these were color timed from the start though, I’m extremely skeptical that watching any of these discs in Media Director mode will magically restore everything to normal. If that’s the case, why is the standard color timing so bad?

People complained a lot about the color of the 2004 DVD, I guess Lucasfilm took advantage of the THX media director technology for the 2011 Blu-ray and made a color correction,But this is only exclusive to buyers of players compatible with this technology, If you don’t have this technology then you would have to watch the horrible grading of the DVD, The price of these equipments is very high, I suppose it is due to the scarcity and lack of fame of this metadata technology, It’s not just about the player, but also about a compatible TV or projector, the cables, and their respective calibration.

That guy with no name said:

YAREL_RGP said:

That guy with no name said:

This is a full-scale restoration/remaster of 4k77.
Full shot for shot color correction, shot for shot dust/scratches removal and
DNR/regraining. I want this to be as close as a professional remaster of the original film could look like.
no more green tint, no more deep blacks. No More Dust/Scratches

Sources:
.4k77 1.4 (NO DNR)
.4k78
.Star Wars Silver Screen Edition (used strictly and only for color reference)

Release info:
Aspect ratio - 1920x1080. (A 4k version will be released later)
Frame rate - 23.976
Audio tracks -
track 1, Original '77 stereo mix.
track 2, 70mm 5.1 mix.
track 3, mono track.

Preview comp:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aioDr3Oxq7T4Ie4JnkXtQEQDBt-uddgs/view?usp=sharing

btw accidentally switched the clips in the second part to 400x zoom. sorry.

Some time ago Sky Dude did a 4K77 remaster, removing the grain without color correction, but because of the DNR he added, several details were lost. Will your project be more careful?

yes. he went overboard with the DNR. I’m not really gonna use that much, just to take the edge off. the correction really hides most of the grain.

Will the color correction be similar to Adywan’s work, giving the film a more modern look without sticking to the look of a Technicolor film?

That guy with no name said:

This is a full-scale restoration/remaster of 4k77.
Full shot for shot color correction, shot for shot dust/scratches removal and
DNR/regraining. I want this to be as close as a professional remaster of the original film could look like.
no more green tint, no more deep blacks. No More Dust/Scratches

Sources:
.4k77 1.4 (NO DNR)
.4k78
.Star Wars Silver Screen Edition (used strictly and only for color reference)

Release info:
Aspect ratio - 1920x1080. (A 4k version will be released later)
Frame rate - 23.976
Audio tracks -
track 1, Original '77 stereo mix.
track 2, 70mm 5.1 mix.
track 3, mono track.

Preview comp:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aioDr3Oxq7T4Ie4JnkXtQEQDBt-uddgs/view?usp=sharing

btw accidentally switched the clips in the second part to 400x zoom. sorry.

Some time ago Sky Dude did a 4K77 remaster, removing the grain without color correction, but because of the DNR he added, several details were lost. Will your project be more careful?

I have a question, are these the original Vistavisión parts!!?

Funcha said:

YAREL_RGP said:

I don’t think many people knew about this, since the 2004 or 2011 Blu-ray versions have been around for a long time, these editions stand out for their inaccurate colorimetry, Something that many fans have complained about, many when making their color corrections rely on the 35mm Technicolor prints found over the years,Which have a more natural and consistent color than Blu-ray, but when the Blu-ray was released, it was again certified by THX, but it was not just any certification, in 2011 a new technology was released which George and THX had worked on, it is called THX media director, when you play a Blu-ray with this new certification with a device and player compatible with these technologies, you can adjust a color correction where you can appreciate the director’s vision regarding Colors, a user told me that with this technology one can appreciate the original colorimetry of the Star Wars trilogy but in the Blu-Ray set, did anyone else know about this?

Ummmm… if this was actually incorporated into any players it was probably very short lived. And that wouldn’t have helped, because the poorly color-timed versions received Lucas’ blessing. So what we’ve been seeing is essentially what he wants us to see.

According to the user who told me about it, the image on the Blu-ray with THX media director the quality of the film was perfect, and the colors were like in the original version, I have not seen any comparison videos of this colorimetry, This technological innovation was very little known, which is why in editions such as Despecialized they corrected the color of the Blu-ray based on Technicolor tapes.

I don’t think many people knew about this, since the 2004 or 2011 Blu-ray versions have been around for a long time, these editions stand out for their inaccurate colorimetry, Something that many fans have complained about, many when making their color corrections rely on the 35mm Technicolor prints found over the years,Which have a more natural and consistent color than Blu-ray, but when the Blu-ray was released, it was again certified by THX, but it was not just any certification, in 2011 a new technology was released which George and THX had worked on, it is called THX media director, when you play a Blu-ray with this new certification with a device and player compatible with these technologies, you can adjust a color correction where you can appreciate the director’s vision regarding Colors, a user told me that with this technology one can appreciate the original colorimetry of the Star Wars trilogy but in the Blu-Ray set, did anyone else know about this?

adywan said:

bttfbrasilfan said:

adywan said:

Here is the colour grading comparison clip i promised. Sorry that it is download only, but YouTube and Vimeo instantly blocked it so this is the only way i could share it.

The original 2020 Blu-Ray grading is really throwing out the new grade in some places ( especially skin tones because in the 2020 blu-ray they are very yellow/ orange or desaturated, which makes the new grade look more magenta or over saturated) so i added just the new grade to the end of the video so you can see what it really looks like.

It’s just over 1gb and about 17 minutes long

I’ll be posting again in the next couple of days with more detailed plans of what’s coming up with ROTJ:R & ANH:RHD.

https://mega.nz/file/OE0WGRrR#Dx_K8gGuIrt6m_z8b1nvYaTp0CAzOvmxrIQSy2qPuSw

Hey, Ady, will you release the ROTJ color corrected version similar to what you did with ANH?

Yes

Hello, one question, will this version with corrected color also bring the fixed static grain problem?

jtulli said:

JadedSkywalker said:

I was referring to the Vistavision process i’m aware Doug’s large format shows have been scanned at much higher resolutions warranted for 65mm neg, i should have been more clear.

For years i advocated they go back and scan the Vistavision in 6k for Star Wars i kept being told the detail wasn’t there. Its a moot point its not getting restored in my lifetime, period. The negative is in a vault somewhere and Disney is perfectly happy with the 4K DI. People don’t even bother petition Disney Lucasfilm, they are either happy with 4K77, 4k80 and 4k83, or Harmy’s projects or just have given up and moved on.

Star Wars 1977 has been suppressed for 40 years its never getting released again, i wish it weren’t so. I wish in May 25th 2027 there would be a perfect print in the cinema for the 50th anniversary, but I’ve been done this road multiple times since 1997, its not happening.

Do you think they even have the original negatives anymore. maybe George destroyed them after he made the special edition.

The original negative still exists, it is the one used for the 2011 Blu-ray and also for the 2020 one, what is not known about its whereabouts are the vistavision pieces, some of these were used to digitally recompose scenes in 2K in 1997, if they want to preserve the saga and restore these pieces again to recompose them, Disney and Lucasfilm should scan them at 6K, it would be great to see the battle of Yavin recomposed digitally without those black lines

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It would be really cool to see this version, it looks much better than the TN’1 scans of the 1997 SE, I didn’t like those versions because of their horrible colors and the damage that they haven’t repaired, unlike 4K77-83, the SE by Poita looks very clean and even seems to be of better quality than the 2011 Blu-ray

I realize you are right, as when the cleanup was completed, the negative was reassembled but the special effects composite shots were changed to the versions recomposed, or CGI versions, I started the topic thinking that the scene transitions or sweeps were done digitally, when for that the entire film would have had to be digitalized, Something that was very expensive for the time. The scenes were recomposed again but in an optical or analog way like 20 years before, I was really very confused.

LaveraNBrown said:

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The CGI is in the negative, but they did re-do some of the CGI ontop of the CGI (that is, there is some fresh CGI on CGI such as re-done Jabba).

Whether the CGI featured in the 2004-2011 versions of Star Wars originated from the original 1997 scans or was newly added CGI is a mystery in terms of authenticity and the changes made to the visual effects over the years.

CGI scenes like the Battle of Yavin have grain, that may be because this scene is from the 1997 master scan, although other scenes like planets celebration do not have grain,This may be because they used the digital version of this CGI scene to add naboo so the quality between scenes didn’t vary.

If you already know, in 1995 for the Star Wars special edition released in 1997, Pacific titles restored the film, cleaning it in a 104 degree sulfur bath which helped to remove dirt, dust, and any residue impregnated to the tape, then hand rubbed, the negative had never looked so clean and new, the only bad thing was the color fading, luckily George had copies of those films made in technicolor that had a slower color fading than the Kodak film, thanks to that they had the base to restore the colors, first they scanned the original negative with a professional scanner at the maximum resolution of that time, 2K, they also scanned the copies for the colors, the negatives had to be cut in the scenes where there are transitions to redo them digitally, they added the new CGI scenes and they printed everything on a new fine grain tape so they didn’t generate too much grain, now my questions are: If in 2004 Lowry scanned the special edition negative, which caused them to spend months working on grain reduction and sharpening contours unnecessarily, why didn’t they just use the digital master that pacific titles made for lucas film ? why if Lowry scanned the new physical master, it will have worse quality than the digital master, and the second question is: Lucas film in 2012 restored Star Wars to 4k according to media and leaks and we didn’t see any of this until Disney released the UHD version in 2019-2020, my new question is, where does this edition come from and what base does it use ? I have heard out there that this UHD version is a scan of the 97 physical edition, The problem is that it is not UHD, it is 2K, even if the negative was scanned to UHD, (3.8K or 4K) this will still be 2K, and of a quality quite inferior to Pacific’s digital master, except that Lucasfilm scan the original '77, '80, and '83 negative to UHD and on top of that put the changes in CGI in 2K, which still gives me as a third question: Does that CGI in 2K come from the physical master or the digital master, I know it’s a tedious field and there are many questions but I can’t get them out of my head for days now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fze_NMFtCpFdgrHcL-0FmYQlNe2ad2ht/view?usp=drivesdk
Well, as you can see, this background shows the Death Star and below Coruscant, this was relatively easy although it took me some time, the problem is that in front of this background I want to put some Tie fighters but I have to rotoscope a movie and glue them together, but capcut doesn’t track the movement of the tie fighters well, That’s why I need a new editor that does better rotoscoping.Davinci resolve is not useful because in this program to make rotoscoping I have to pay for a Pro version

Star Wars Refined, what is it about? This is a personal project where what I do is try to improve and fix Star Wars. First, I will start with A New Hope. Above all, what I want to fix are the problems that still exist in the current editions, and try to polish and refine them. This edition is about refining the trilogy; hence the name. Those scenes that I do not like or I am not satisfied with the final results, I will replace with new ones created by me. What bothers me most is that there are scenes that were not recomposed digitally. There are scenes, like the Hoth battles, that were recomposed digitally, but some scenes were left the same, leaving those horrible black lines on the edges due to the optical rotoscoping of the analog processes of that time. I will try to fix most of those problems and add new effects to improve the existing ones.

But I also need help. My current editor is CapCut, which I use mostly for rotoscoping, but this rotoscoping is very limited. I don’t have money to pay for an editor like Adobe After Effects. I need recommendations for video editors with decent rotoscoping that are free. Please, I really want to start well with this project.

WHEN THE STAR WARS 4K BLU RAY WAS RELEASED IN 2020, AN HD VERSION WAS ALSO RELEASED. MY QUESTION IS, DOES THIS EDITION USE THE 2011 VERSION OR IS IT A NEW SCAN?

Well, if you’re looking for the '97 editions you can go to the ”
The Star Wars Trilogy” But they are scans of 35mm copies, and they haven’t even dedicated to re-establish them as 4K77, just a simple color correction or black and white balance, if you want a quality version, Harmy made a re-specialized edition, using the 2011 blu_ray as a base, the highest quality version of the project is the AVCHD which goes to 720p, although that edition has a lot of grain on harmy’s part, on the empire strikes back Adywan made a reconstruction using the HDTV which is like the Blu Ray, you can also find this version in The Star Wars Trilogy forums, of return of the jedi there are no fan reconstructions that I know of, I hope I have helped you.