YAREL_RGP

The Star Wars Purist said:

I did try the THX Optimizer stuff for a viewing of ANH one time ('04 DVD, for reference), and I can definitely say I preferred the colors that gave me versus the stock settings on my TV, even despite the slightly limited settings I had to mess with. Not a massive difference, but I recall that it was a bit more natural-looking.

If you still have that THX equipment and have the 2011 Blu-ray, I ask you to try to see if there is a difference. I repeat, this technology was included in 2011 and STAR WARS was the first to use it.

stretch009 said:

YAREL_RGP said:

The colors look amazing, your description of the horrible colors of the UHD edition could fit perfectly with the 2011 BR of Star Wars, now, I have a question. Do you plan to add any language to your version? Since it would be great to be able to see and hear it in castilian, I’m just asking if it’s possible of course.

Does your UHD disc include castilian audio and subtitles, YAREL_RGP? You should be able to mux them in yourself if it does…

??? First of all if I do that I would have to download the TGWNN project, it usually gives versions with high or low bit rate, I always download the high bit rate version, (which usually weigh a lot) then I get the dubbing and sync it in a video editor, but when exporting it in my editor I would have to adjust the same bit rate so as not to compress it too much, after exporting I would have 2 very large files of the same size, then I would have to delete the original source and keep my synchronized audio version, everything I mentioned is a long process that takes some time, for that it is better that the track comes in the project and that’s it, when you say (You should be able to mux them in yourself if it does) you don’t realize that not everyone has the storage space or time for it, I’m not saying this for myself, I’m saying this for many people to whom this could happen.

The colors look amazing, your description of the horrible colors of the UHD edition could fit perfectly with the 2011 BR of Star Wars, now, I have a question. Do you plan to add any language to your version? Since it would be great to be able to see and hear it in castilian, I’m just asking if it’s possible of course.

Haarspalter said:

The complete Cannes interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHXLsHOdPiw

Fast forward to timecode 53:08 … the interviewer asks Lucas a question from a fan, if he will release the original versions in the future. Lucas drops the “it looks terrible” quote a few seconds later.

It bothers me that they put just anyone as an interviewer, if it were someone really informed I would have asked questions like, “If LucasFilm still has the original compositing pieces, why don’t they digitally recompose the original effects?” Since George talks about the restoration process done for the first SE of ANH, and says that the film was discolored and the negative pieces were scratched (Which is a fact), they currently have a restored negative although with scenes altered by CGI, they could easily scan the 1997 SE, (something that Disney already did since they have a 4K scan of that edition) along with the composition pieces and remake the unaltered version recomposing the original scenes, and if there are people who want to keep the garbage matte optical composition then they could also scan interpositives from that time whose biggest problem is color fading but not analog degradation, or even the CRI negatives of those scenes that in the 90s restoration were cut from the negative due to degradation, being replaced by higher quality recomposed negative versions or by CGI versions of course, they have no excuse, and if they complain about the laserdisc it is nonsense since at the time it was the highest quality home video, George makes up those lies to avoid releasing the unaltered version. It’s not because they can’t do it, IT’S BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT TO.

JadedSkywalker said:

YAREL_RGP said:

JadedSkywalker said:

I think still having to argue with people over why the original should be on Blu-Ray and 4K and Han why Han shooting second is stupid, 20 years after we signed a petition to the get the original released just to get Lynn Hale’s spiel, kind of makes me think it’s a lost cause.

I have 4K77 and I’m reasonably happy with it.

It won’t be lost because the British Film Archive and Library of Congress have the original. Its just not available to the general public. Unless you have out of print DVD, VHS or laserdisc. Yeah none of those is theatrically accurate but whatever.

Does that mean that the original negatives are archived in a place where they are available for scanning at any time today? From what source do you get this information? It is really very interesting

Not negatives no, but LOC do have 35mm prints they have scanned and archived. I’m almost 100% certain BFI has done the same. But I don’t have some inside knowledge.

Lucasfilm has the negatives, and it is true that the O-neg is conformed to the 1997 edit. But they saved all the trims. What is lost is the original color reversal negative, all the wipes and dissolves. Anyone who says they can’t do a restoration is being foolish. It’s not about the money, it’s not about can it be done. It is all about George, he hates the original and does not want it restored.

These are probably positive prints like the 35mm print of ROTJ used for 4K83, taken directly from the negative, Prints that approach the quality or have the quality of camera negative

crissrudd4554 said:

Even the whole transparency fix in the snow battle isn’t “fixed” it’s just reduced enough that the transparency is far less detectable. It’s still there though.

That reinforces my theory that the 1997 recomposition was optical and not digital, since if that had been digital then they could have fixed those transparency issues, At least it’s not noticeable anymore

Master Lawdog said:

TDS91939 said:

Watching an Anime of a New Hope would be a guilty pleasure. The Lightsaber fights would be intense

The prequels already reached a very intense type of battles, the anime is not very graphic when they want to turn Star Wars into an anime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib_4A2CG2Ag

Mmm, a Star Wars anime doesn’t fit, attempts to turn Star Wars into anime always fall into the typical clichés, highly stylized eyes to make everyone look Japanese, Darth Vader too fat, or Luke looking like a big eyed kid whose sole purpose is to freak out like everything is cool, it doesn’t fit at all, if they make an anime adaptation of Star Wars, it shouldn’t look like an anime, it should have more JoJo’s style animation or something that really sets it apart from the rest, not a blatant copy of My Hero Academia with Star Wars characters.

Shadow98 said:

The guy with no name may be able to help find the bad shots. He worked on a remaster of the 2020 Blu-ray of Star Wars and fixed many of the known problems, including detail loss, static grain and displaced power windows.

Since his project was never officially released, but he is still active, you might ask him if he knows a list of problematic shots on the UHD Blu-ray or if he could even provide finished, fixed shots.
If you would like to find out more, here is the link to the project: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/STAR-WARS-EPISODE-IV-2020-4K-blu-ray-Remastered-WIP/id/99662/
Maybe that would make the work for v3.0 a little easier. 😃

In fact, on the ESB Despecialized forum I already told Harmy that TGWNN is working on that remastering of the 2020 Blu-Ray adding details that were erased by the strong DNR and that only exist in the 2011 BR, currently he is working on 4K77 remaster, but I could ask him for a list of scenes where the 2011 BR looks better to fix the 2020 one, although the best thing would be to rotoscope those elements that look better in the 2011 BR to add them to the 2020 BR, since they are usually background elements like the rubber walls of the Millennium Falcon, since other elements that are closer in the 2020 BR usually look better.

Harmy said:

YAREL_RGP said:

Harmy said:

And some recomposited shots that were only done in 2004, like the imperial fleet introduction.

Hello Harmy, I don’t know if it’s too late to ask this, but if you end up doing a ROTJ 3.2, and when you have to do ANH AND ESB 3.0, will you do DNR to the 4K Blu-Ray image to carefully eliminate the static grain from these masters like Adywan and That guy with no name are doing in their projects, and then add non-static fine grain back to it to make the image less dirty? Or are you just going to add grain on top of the image without cleaning the static grain first?

If someone did that and released a regrained version, I’d be super happy to use it as a source but I really can’t see myself doing that for three entire movies myself, it’s just too time consuming.

I think Adywan is going to release his ROTJ color correction before Revisited, which has the grain corrected, if you ever make a ROTJ 3.2 you could use this version and then add your colors. If you want to do it when it comes out of course. By the way, TGWNN is working on a 2020 4K Blu-Ray remaster of ANH that also fixes this issue and adds details from the 2011 Blu-Ray that were erased by the 4K DNR. Although this project will take a long time as he is working on another project of 4K77.

Harmy said:

And some recomposited shots that were only done in 2004, like the imperial fleet introduction.

Hello Harmy, I don’t know if it’s too late to ask this, but if you end up doing a ROTJ 3.2, and when you have to do ANH AND ESB 3.0, will you do DNR to the 4K Blu-Ray image to carefully eliminate the static grain from these masters like Adywan and That guy with no name are doing in their projects, and then add non-static fine grain back to it to make the image less dirty? Or are you just going to add grain on top of the image without cleaning the static grain first?

Harmy said:

And some recomposited shots that were only done in 2004, like the imperial fleet introduction.
Hello Harmy, I don’t know if it’s too late to ask this, but if you end up doing a ROTJ 3.2, and when you have to do ANH AND ESB 3.0, will you do DNR to the 4K Blu-Ray image to carefully eliminate the static grain from these masters like Adywan and That guy with no name are doing in their projects, and then add non-static fine grain back to it to make the image less dirty? Or are you just going to add grain on top of the image without cleaning the static grain first?

CatBus said:

One of the true 1977 mixes has been on home video – pre-1985 releases of Star Wars have the 1977 stereo mix. The best quality audio of the 1977 stereo mix was from a pan & scan Japanese Laserdisc, and is included with most preservations.

In terms of dialogue, there’s no difference between the 1977 stereo and 1993 mixes. In terms of sound effects, the obvious one is the shattering glass sounds during the cell block shootout. A lot of fans (myself included) think of these additions as precursors to the Special Editions – the 1985 mix was at least a mashup of the various theatrical mixes, but the 1993 mix brought in stuff that was never in the films before. I’m sure there are other changes too, but I just don’t listen to the 93 mix that much (for that reason).

As far as sound quality goes, the 93 mix is probably technically the best-sounding official Star Wars mix ever made. But I just can’t get past the non-theatrical elements, so I prefer the 77 mixes (hairy_hen’s six-channel reconstruction is my favorite).

I know this thread is 4 years old but I have a question, is the audio track on the 1993 Laserdisc PCM?

How is the project going? looks pretty good

Funcha said:

I actually looked into this a bit more and there apparently is something called THX Media Director metadata added to these releases. But apparently the only way to access it is via players with built in THX Media Director circuits, of which I have no idea if there are any.

Considering how poorly these were color timed from the start though, I’m extremely skeptical that watching any of these discs in Media Director mode will magically restore everything to normal. If that’s the case, why is the standard color timing so bad?

People complained a lot about the color of the 2004 DVD, I guess Lucasfilm took advantage of the THX media director technology for the 2011 Blu-ray and made a color correction,But this is only exclusive to buyers of players compatible with this technology, If you don’t have this technology then you would have to watch the horrible grading of the DVD, The price of these equipments is very high, I suppose it is due to the scarcity and lack of fame of this metadata technology, It’s not just about the player, but also about a compatible TV or projector, the cables, and their respective calibration.

That guy with no name said:

YAREL_RGP said:

That guy with no name said:

This is a full-scale restoration/remaster of 4k77.
Full shot for shot color correction, shot for shot dust/scratches removal and
DNR/regraining. I want this to be as close as a professional remaster of the original film could look like.
no more green tint, no more deep blacks. No More Dust/Scratches

Sources:
.4k77 1.4 (NO DNR)
.4k78
.Star Wars Silver Screen Edition (used strictly and only for color reference)

Release info:
Aspect ratio - 1920x1080. (A 4k version will be released later)
Frame rate - 23.976
Audio tracks -
track 1, Original '77 stereo mix.
track 2, 70mm 5.1 mix.
track 3, mono track.

Preview comp:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aioDr3Oxq7T4Ie4JnkXtQEQDBt-uddgs/view?usp=sharing

btw accidentally switched the clips in the second part to 400x zoom. sorry.

Some time ago Sky Dude did a 4K77 remaster, removing the grain without color correction, but because of the DNR he added, several details were lost. Will your project be more careful?

yes. he went overboard with the DNR. I’m not really gonna use that much, just to take the edge off. the correction really hides most of the grain.

Will the color correction be similar to Adywan’s work, giving the film a more modern look without sticking to the look of a Technicolor film?

That guy with no name said:

This is a full-scale restoration/remaster of 4k77.
Full shot for shot color correction, shot for shot dust/scratches removal and
DNR/regraining. I want this to be as close as a professional remaster of the original film could look like.
no more green tint, no more deep blacks. No More Dust/Scratches

Sources:
.4k77 1.4 (NO DNR)
.4k78
.Star Wars Silver Screen Edition (used strictly and only for color reference)

Release info:
Aspect ratio - 1920x1080. (A 4k version will be released later)
Frame rate - 23.976
Audio tracks -
track 1, Original '77 stereo mix.
track 2, 70mm 5.1 mix.
track 3, mono track.

Preview comp:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aioDr3Oxq7T4Ie4JnkXtQEQDBt-uddgs/view?usp=sharing

btw accidentally switched the clips in the second part to 400x zoom. sorry.

Some time ago Sky Dude did a 4K77 remaster, removing the grain without color correction, but because of the DNR he added, several details were lost. Will your project be more careful?

I have a question, are these the original Vistavisión parts!!?

Funcha said:

YAREL_RGP said:

I don’t think many people knew about this, since the 2004 or 2011 Blu-ray versions have been around for a long time, these editions stand out for their inaccurate colorimetry, Something that many fans have complained about, many when making their color corrections rely on the 35mm Technicolor prints found over the years,Which have a more natural and consistent color than Blu-ray, but when the Blu-ray was released, it was again certified by THX, but it was not just any certification, in 2011 a new technology was released which George and THX had worked on, it is called THX media director, when you play a Blu-ray with this new certification with a device and player compatible with these technologies, you can adjust a color correction where you can appreciate the director’s vision regarding Colors, a user told me that with this technology one can appreciate the original colorimetry of the Star Wars trilogy but in the Blu-Ray set, did anyone else know about this?

Ummmm… if this was actually incorporated into any players it was probably very short lived. And that wouldn’t have helped, because the poorly color-timed versions received Lucas’ blessing. So what we’ve been seeing is essentially what he wants us to see.

According to the user who told me about it, the image on the Blu-ray with THX media director the quality of the film was perfect, and the colors were like in the original version, I have not seen any comparison videos of this colorimetry, This technological innovation was very little known, which is why in editions such as Despecialized they corrected the color of the Blu-ray based on Technicolor tapes.

I don’t think many people knew about this, since the 2004 or 2011 Blu-ray versions have been around for a long time, these editions stand out for their inaccurate colorimetry, Something that many fans have complained about, many when making their color corrections rely on the 35mm Technicolor prints found over the years,Which have a more natural and consistent color than Blu-ray, but when the Blu-ray was released, it was again certified by THX, but it was not just any certification, in 2011 a new technology was released which George and THX had worked on, it is called THX media director, when you play a Blu-ray with this new certification with a device and player compatible with these technologies, you can adjust a color correction where you can appreciate the director’s vision regarding Colors, a user told me that with this technology one can appreciate the original colorimetry of the Star Wars trilogy but in the Blu-Ray set, did anyone else know about this?

adywan said:

bttfbrasilfan said:

adywan said:

Here is the colour grading comparison clip i promised. Sorry that it is download only, but YouTube and Vimeo instantly blocked it so this is the only way i could share it.

The original 2020 Blu-Ray grading is really throwing out the new grade in some places ( especially skin tones because in the 2020 blu-ray they are very yellow/ orange or desaturated, which makes the new grade look more magenta or over saturated) so i added just the new grade to the end of the video so you can see what it really looks like.

It’s just over 1gb and about 17 minutes long

I’ll be posting again in the next couple of days with more detailed plans of what’s coming up with ROTJ:R & ANH:RHD.

https://mega.nz/file/OE0WGRrR#Dx_K8gGuIrt6m_z8b1nvYaTp0CAzOvmxrIQSy2qPuSw

Hey, Ady, will you release the ROTJ color corrected version similar to what you did with ANH?

Yes

Hello, one question, will this version with corrected color also bring the fixed static grain problem?

jtulli said:

JadedSkywalker said:

I was referring to the Vistavision process i’m aware Doug’s large format shows have been scanned at much higher resolutions warranted for 65mm neg, i should have been more clear.

For years i advocated they go back and scan the Vistavision in 6k for Star Wars i kept being told the detail wasn’t there. Its a moot point its not getting restored in my lifetime, period. The negative is in a vault somewhere and Disney is perfectly happy with the 4K DI. People don’t even bother petition Disney Lucasfilm, they are either happy with 4K77, 4k80 and 4k83, or Harmy’s projects or just have given up and moved on.

Star Wars 1977 has been suppressed for 40 years its never getting released again, i wish it weren’t so. I wish in May 25th 2027 there would be a perfect print in the cinema for the 50th anniversary, but I’ve been done this road multiple times since 1997, its not happening.

Do you think they even have the original negatives anymore. maybe George destroyed them after he made the special edition.

The original negative still exists, it is the one used for the 2011 Blu-ray and also for the 2020 one, what is not known about its whereabouts are the vistavision pieces, some of these were used to digitally recompose scenes in 2K in 1997, if they want to preserve the saga and restore these pieces again to recompose them, Disney and Lucasfilm should scan them at 6K, it would be great to see the battle of Yavin recomposed digitally without those black lines

Well, in 2012 a scan of the 3 films of the original trilogy was made in 4k which was released in 2019-2020, by Lucasfilm, and Lowry restored the film digitally again for the release, then Lucasfilm with the new master redid many of the changes that only exist in the 1080p versions from 2004-2011, such as the new Jabba CGI, which fit exactly the same as the one from 2004 but made 8 years later, but there is one thing that left me wondering, in the STAR WARS viewer I saw an image of the scene where Luke practices with the ball, only it was smaller in size than the ball from 1997 or 2004, a size more similar to that of 1977 but without those black lines, I suppose Lucasfilm scanned the scene without the ball and then scanned the piece of the ball and then recomposed it digitally as it was he did in 1997 but with more precision. I will send a link with the photo, what are your conclusions? https://www.mediafire.com/view/okstx3buvdcmpvg/sw4-sc067.sh43-laser-color.jpg/file

It would be really cool to see this version, it looks much better than the TN’1 scans of the 1997 SE, I didn’t like those versions because of their horrible colors and the damage that they haven’t repaired, unlike 4K77-83, the SE by Poita looks very clean and even seems to be of better quality than the 2011 Blu-ray

I realize you are right, as when the cleanup was completed, the negative was reassembled but the special effects composite shots were changed to the versions recomposed, or CGI versions, I started the topic thinking that the scene transitions or sweeps were done digitally, when for that the entire film would have had to be digitalized, Something that was very expensive for the time. The scenes were recomposed again but in an optical or analog way like 20 years before, I was really very confused.

LaveraNBrown said:

RU.08 said:geometry dash scratch
The CGI is in the negative, but they did re-do some of the CGI ontop of the CGI (that is, there is some fresh CGI on CGI such as re-done Jabba).

Whether the CGI featured in the 2004-2011 versions of Star Wars originated from the original 1997 scans or was newly added CGI is a mystery in terms of authenticity and the changes made to the visual effects over the years.

CGI scenes like the Battle of Yavin have grain, that may be because this scene is from the 1997 master scan, although other scenes like planets celebration do not have grain,This may be because they used the digital version of this CGI scene to add naboo so the quality between scenes didn’t vary.